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[marman]

ciao @ pietro2002if who program the cnc is the one who model the 3d, ok the integrated cam could have its advantages.
Let us see, instead, the aspect that those who program the cnc is not the one who generates the 3d.
with this scenario, you must alert the programmer of change.
generally those who program the cnc create surfaces, which have nothing to do with the 3d model of the finished piece, but are surfaces that only serve and exclusively for processing.
can be protective surfaces or surfaces with a different overmetal for subsequent shooting, or colored surfaces differently from the original 3d model to group them and assign a milling strategy.
all things that mold the mold.. It can hardly understand and predict.
for this reason I prefer the stand-alone, because it is completely independent from the 3d model of the piece and does not conflict with the strategies and modifications of the programmer.
the programmer, once alerted, recharges the model (step) and automatism of my software are highlighted solo the surfaces changed and are replaced with the obsolete ones, leaving unchanged all the considerations and modifications of the programmer.
I hope to be explained with this boring sermon . di

ciao @ pietro2002if who program the cnc is the one who model the 3d, ok the integrated cam could have its advantages.
Let us see, instead, the aspect that those who program the cnc is not the one who generates the 3d.
with this scenario, you must alert the programmer of change.
generally those who program the cnc create surfaces, which have nothing to do with the 3d model of the finished piece, but are surfaces that only serve and exclusively for processing.
can be protective surfaces or surfaces with a different overmetal for subsequent shooting, or colored surfaces differently from the original 3d model to group them and assign a milling strategy.
all things that mold the mold.. It can hardly understand and predict.
for this reason I prefer the stand-alone, because it is completely independent from the 3d model of the piece and does not conflict with the strategies and modifications of the programmer.
the programmer, once alerted, recharges the model (step) and automatism of my software are highlighted solo the surfaces changed and are replaced with the obsolete ones, leaving unchanged all the considerations and modifications of the programmer.
I hope to be explained with this boring sermon . di

Hello victorious,
Yes xthat you are structured in the company that you have who does cad and who does cam..... then can have a certain sense ....but because the integrated software can also peel....that is to buy modeling and programming in 2 different environments..... keeping the same language ....this is another advantage.....

 

[marman]

Okay, pietro.
we have come to close the brackets of this discussion that certainly has come out of the topic :roflmao:
By concluding, integrated cam no, with a minimum of commitment you can do harm tohahahaha :roflmao:.
Good evening pietro

everything needs x exchange ideas.... .
I x example being the modeler and the cammist....the integral is fundamental to me. ...as if I have to make changes the cam will automatically update......

 

[Vittorio]

everything needs x exchange ideas.... .
I x example being the modeler and the cammist....the integral is fundamental to me. ...as if I have to make changes the cam will automatically update......

ciao Homeare not against the built-in cad-cam and in your case the benefits are obvious.
each has its own realities and needs.

My personal curiosity:
in case you have to pass the 3d model to another programmer, you pass the original file right?
and in case this programmer intervenes with changes necessary for processing, how do you manage these changes?

of changes for the cnc me some come to mind:
1) Adding machining protection surfaces
2) color change of surfaces to group them and assign a processing strategy.
3) surfaces with different overmetal for example.. in case of adjustments.
4) curves to delimit the perimeter of the processing.


in the case of changes made by third people... what happens to the original file that maybe is connected to the drawing board?

and in case of modification of the designer on model 3d.. How do you know where to intervene?

 

[marman]

ciao Homeare not against the built-in cad-cam and in your case the benefits are obvious.
each has its own realities and needs.

My personal curiosity:
in case you have to pass the 3d model to another programmer, you pass the original file right?
and in case this programmer intervenes with changes necessary for processing, how do you manage these changes?

of changes for the cnc me some come to mind:
1) Adding machining protection surfaces
2) color change of surfaces to group them and assign a processing strategy.
3) surfaces with different overmetal for example.. in case of adjustments.
4) curves to delimit the perimeter of the processing.


in the case of changes made by third people... what happens to the original file that maybe is connected to the drawing board?

and in case of modification of the designer on model 3d.. How do you know where to intervene?

Hello victorious,
So... it happens that there is one person who does the project and another who does the tool path.....mah the 2 things go parallel... in the sense that the cad remains that and the cam is saved with a different extension and here of you create another file..... there inside the camista can do more or less what you want x the work. ..change colors....superfici di supporto....sovrametalli....ecc etc...the file of origin remains....poi we have a common thought that is to leave what is done before by others....in case you save it with other name....the convenience comes when I open the file and not amount the file... This is my comfort...and the fact that I can pass cad and cam as I want at any time. . .

 

[Vittorio]

This is my comfort...and the fact that I can pass cad and cam as I want at any time. . .

ciao HomeOkay, the advantage only exists if you're both the cam driver and the designer.
Otherwise not having the integrated cam in the cad is irrelevant.
from what I read, in your company, the camcorder makes a copy of the original and works on that, so in case of changes of the model, you have to update the cam file.
reported to a stand alone cam would be like reloading the new step model.
There are also cams that read the natives of the cads and would be less problematic than the step.
I think the separate cam and cad have advantages over the integrated ones.
the most important advantage is that you could have a cad with high performance and an equally performing cam.
I take the example of my case.
If I had opted for an integrated cad cam I would have been penalized in the cam part.

 

[marman]

ciao HomeOkay, the advantage only exists if you're both the cam driver and the designer.
Otherwise not having the integrated cam in the cad is irrelevant.
from what I read, in your company, the camcorder makes a copy of the original and works on that, so in case of changes of the model, you have to update the cam file.
reported to a stand alone cam would be like reloading the new step model.
There are also cams that read the natives of the cads and would be less problematic than the step.
I think the separate cam and cad have advantages over the integrated ones.
the most important advantage is that you could have a cad with high performance and an equally performing cam.
I take the example of my case.
If I had opted for an integrated cad cam I would have been penalized in the cam part.

Hello victorious,
but I think it a little differently.....based on my experience and I say.... having the same software x that I can not only use the cad or just the cam....regardless....there are two separate modules that you can buy just as separately....mah the comfort comes when you x open or the one or the other (cad or cam) you don't need to have to change the surfaces and import...

 

[Vittorio]

if for you the integrated cam has satisfied your needs..you have done well.
in my case it was not so and having separated it from the cad allowed me to choose the best for my needs.

 

[marman]

hi to all guys... then I recently changed company definitively and I continue to use toptron.....both x the modeling that x the part cam.....the new owner is lover of worknc and made us do a course x see how it is......after having seen it remain of the idea that stumps x in love molds is better.... the management of automatic holes and 'natured nigger....
Hello everyone