la crisi.

[stevie]

that in August nothing moves is normal, the worrying thing is that to hear the media seems that the crisis now is history to write in school books, instead I think we are in more than ever.
if then it is true what I read on an economy forum, that some big multinationals (ibm etc) are proposing to their employees to retire temporarily for 1-2 years in exchange for 25-30% of the salary, thus avoiding resorting to the integration cash and subsequent dismissal, there is a lot to worry about.
Meanwhile, according to the "guru" of the economy, the recovery was still postponed in mid-2010. .

 

[vmirko]

rest of the idea that to see something new you will have to wait at least March of 2010.

 

[Matteo]

small outlet from "medical professional free": the crisis we paid her especially... without "cass" while having previously paid up to the last € of taxes (the payment with billing is obligatory for those who work for big companies instead of with end users). All right, let's look forward. we say that as a caedevice what did not kill us has strengthened us:redface:

 

[Meccbell]

then, so much to make the point of the situation and to explain to those who have not yet understood it why, paradoxically, the real critical point of the crisis will be precisely in the moment of the recovery:
This morning I was called the buyer a client who from March was practically "desaparecido" (70% of the cash staff, of which more than half to zero hours, payments postponed of at least 60 days beyond normal terms and preferential items on the fact that they were looking for a shed much smaller than the current one, since they are no longer with the expenses and they were thinking of a drastic reduction of everything: personnel, machines, offices, warehouse and therefore also spaces).
In short, a situation at the limit of collapse.

Well, to be brief, the guy tells me that they would have work, a lot of work, to give out, as they managed to "resuscitate" a big salesman who were now lost and more moving than the other.
I'll do it.
"Blessed a horn, it could be our ruin," he answers.

and then explains to me that in order to activate the work should first call from the cash at least 3/4 of the staff (although not all in one shot), then acquire beyond 1.5 mil. of euro between raw materials, components, external processing and various services, in addition to the time of "crossing" of the work, from the ready way to the delivery (about 3 months), with all its costs (salari and contributions in the head).
the problem is that they are out with banks of an almost equivalent figure and have residual fido lines for no more than 200-300 thousand euros.
In addition, the customer of the big contract is able to anticipate no more than 10-15% of the figure and with that "we pay the salaries of 1 month or the raw materials for the work we do inside"

Therefore its task today is to contact suppliers, especially historical ones, to try to spread the work on a number of them as high as possible (contradicting their normal policy, which instead plans to concentrate the external work on a few companies, each specialized in a certain field) and asking these suppliers to accept a longer term of payment than normal.
"longer than??? ? "
"Let's say at least twice."
I have the classic 90 days, so I'd pass to 180.
"As I stand on the job hypothesis, I might also be fine, but on condition that the material and treatments you put them there"
"excluding in the most categorical way. suppliers of raw materials and treatmentists do not give us more than 60-90 days of payment. someone even says that considering the situation will do 30 days."

conclusion:
or these (but many others are in the same same situations) find the way to have more credit directly from the banks (obviously at costs not by stroking, like the current ones) or indirectly from their suppliers who will make it by bank (accolling therefore all the costs and risks connected), or simply they will give up to work and therefore they will most likely renounce also to continue to exist.

This is why this time is a system crisis and, above all, it is impossible to pass as if it were a summer time.

 

[vmirko]

where my cousin works have signed orders but the banks don't quit the grain to start taking raw materials.

It's the helmet.

 

[b243970]

It's not the rape. The bank down the corner answers to credit guidelines that come from others more on... that have them from others more on... is the old history of the banking pyramid that if the staircase all finds the same 4-5 families from 200 years to this part; that play to elage credit and while the happy people produce and create with the borrowed money they widen the bubbles, then puff the credit no longer arrives, nothing is worth more, the companies close and sell their baskets to two lires... having liquids in such a situation is a fable ... only that the liquids have them only the one that the game invented it and put it in place... and buy it again.
Seeing this is a little black, but it is.

 

[Meccbell]

where my cousin works have signed orders but the banks don't quit the grain to start taking raw materials.

It's the helmet.

if it is for that, for about a couple of months they had already stopped anticipating credits on presentation of invoices.

 

[Mario SJPD]

8 months have passed since the official beginning of the crisis.
customers do not want to hear about buying new machinery.
It seems that the market has fallen asleep or worse seems to be at war.
we are preparing to spend loving holidays.
personally I hadn't turned off the pc in August.

then what to say in this sudden and incomprehensible crisis?

I propose the topic 6 months away.

 

[Preparation-H]

I propose the topic 6 months away.

But how is the situation? Are there any improvements?

As far as the crisis is concerned, I still feel, work in the field of the machine tool, then paradoxically collaborate then for another society that instead closed 2009 with a good result the best since this small society exists (2000), and for 2010 they already have a lot of meat on fire.

Hi.
p-h

 

[tenerone]

I propose the topic 6 months away.

automotive sector.

Given the situation as an employee (and as a manager), it is at least disastrous for all new projects. by now from 1 year and a half you can hardly see anything substantial, what comes is a great deal of studies and offers without following.... not even if you have worked ultra-good and in a very fast time with resources (now reduced to lumicino) available.

on the productive side there was a 2009 projection by our disastrous main customer (French)...we have passed from having to produce 200,000 pcs/year to 15,000 ......with all the obvious economic consequences of the case.:angry:

personally, I don't hide it, I'm looking for another place but it's a bad time, and here I fear that at the expiration of the cigs the irreparable happens.

 

[Mario SJPD]

I say mine
industrial plants and machines

I spent a decent 2009 but only because I got lucky with the only firm in its sector that had worked all the other customers (a twenty company) have now eclipsed with another firm but always and only one company at a time a job at a time fast deliveries and endless payments (take or leave) practically navigates to sight and with fatigue it is afloat.
November 2009 seemed to come on something more but in December nothing (also offers ) and Januaryi although just started does not promise well.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

not to talk outside the choir, but for an employee not in cash integration what happens?
- the salary is always the same
- work at less tight pace
- you pay less the mortgage
- you can treat the price when you buy in small shops
- the crisis can be invoked to spread non-contractual payments

If it wasn't for the mass of damocles swords hanging on the home-work journey, you could say that more than crisis, it's a pacchia.

That's not my case, Sigh!

 

[MBT]

not to talk outside the choir, but for an employee not in cash integration what happens?
- the salary is always the same
- work at less tight pace
- you pay less the mortgage
- you can treat the price when you buy in small shops
- the crisis can be invoked to spread non-contractual payments

If it wasn't for the mass of damocles swords hanging on the home-work journey, you could say that more than crisis, it's a pacchia.

That's not my case, Sigh!

bhe... so much to say it all.. .
I didn't notice. . .
that you pay less the mute, less (it will be because I have a fixed rate... )
that it is price in small shops, it is a practice I have never done. . .
for now the only advantage is that when they stop me in shopping centers to make an offer for drug addicts, homosexuals, supporters of holy heustached I have a good excuse, saying that there is crisis and I have no money. :tongue:
Or I'll make him a supercazzola!

 

[cacciatorino]

that it is price in small shops, it is a practice I have never done. . .

It's a regional practice, when my parents moved from Padania here in semi-terronia took a lot of scams, being used to fixed prices and instead the natives being accustomed to Byzantine negotiations!

 

[incasinata]

not to talk outside the choir, but for an employee not in cash integration what happens?
- the salary is always the same
- work at less tight pace
- you pay less the mortgage
- you can treat the price when you buy in small shops
- the crisis can be invoked to spread non-contractual payments

If it wasn't for the mass of damocles swords hanging on the home-work journey, you could say that more than crisis, it's a pacchia.

That's not my case, Sigh!

What is this? an extract from the last speech of our alwayspositive president of the council??? ? :frown:

 

[michele81]

What is this? an extract from the last speech of our alwayspositive president of the council??? ? :frown:

I think there was humor. .
the reality is that you noticed the crisis who ended up in it (licensements, closures of companies, cash integration) for other employees there were no differences. the problem is that from here onwards the crisis can only intensify for those who are in cash integration or at risk closing...it is very difficult to predict new recruitment in the short. which company at the beginning of a recovery risks new recruits (especially here in Italy)?

 

[Fulvio Romano]

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I didn't think I said things like that to attract this abyss on me.

I pay the mortgage about 150€/month less than when I turned it on.

Speaking of the Byzantine habits, he considers that I live in audine... if the fruit when I buy the apples he sees me titubante, he says "vabbé, if you take all the cassette I make you half price". If you want address and date of the event I give you them in private.

Moreover, for the psychonane, we are already out of the crisis for a while, the problems are not there, in fact the eagle has been reconstructed in a blink of eye, and at birth there were no reductions in the acquired.
then... no one was fired! Just go to any company and ask employees "who of you have been fired?" nobody will respond affirmatively.
Here, these statements can be attributed to our beloved and "differently high" president.

 

[cacciatorino]

Speaking of the Byzantine habits, he considers that I live in audine... if the fruit when I buy the apples he sees me titubante, he says "vabbé, if you take all the cassette I make you half price". If you want address and date of the event I give you them in private.

I was just joking, no astio would miss anything else!:wink:

 

[Fulvio Romano]

I was just joking, no astio would miss anything else!:wink:

I personally hate negotiations. if I buy something I want to pay the right. if bargaining you make me a discount I am not at all happy, because I get the atrocious doubt that bargaining more, better, or differently, the discount could be greater.
If instead someone just doesn't want to go down, then it means that that is the right price, at least for him, at that time.

being born a lot further down where I live, however, I know how to bargain, as well as Iraqi children know how to shoot. Comes in handy, from the egypt to the Cuban...

p.s.
my previous post was still ironic, though with a veiled splash of bitterness.

 

[stevie]

I add another consideration. . .
This crisis represents, for the now few multinationals who still persisted in staying here, a great reason to finally abandon this "beautiful country" and migrate towards the best, especially from the fiscal point of view.
as an example I carry the recent case yamaha italia, but there are dozens of cases now.
Well in this case the only real culprit is the state, which aims to deny the evidence of a tax now out of control and clearly disproportionately compared to that practiced by neighboring countries.
capitalism teaches us that the ultimate goal of a company is useful.
You cannot therefore criticize those who abandon the Italian production sites to move to cheaper countries, guaranteeing the same rights to workers and the same quality.