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what a future for t3?

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Mauro:) said:
It's just like you say, tequila_pilota.
Fortunately for me, once you make the food, there are no major changes.
the boards we save them (print) always in pdf format to be sent to customers, so I can always consult them and print them without problems.
in the specific case of thinkdesign, if except the boards in the dxf format exploding the quotas (saving option) you get a pure 2d table with the odds that do not go "disguised for drawing". In this way you can manage small changes working as if we were in front of a tecnigraph. Better than nothing! However, it is unthinkable to continue managing recurring works with this system, in this case the only thing to do is to carry out the table with the new system. As for the 3d step and the parasolid of thinkdesign are quite good, the complete project with its structure of assembly passes without difficulty but of course it is static. the big job and reinvent the procedures and the now-how of the design-side-strument related to the new software, but at the bottom every now and then it is good to do a little cleaning... "To order, it takes a big mess" or not?
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I have.. .
3d migration is not a big problem, if your forms are not very complex. (I don't know what you're doing, so I'll mortgage it... )
nx (I don't know catia) with st solves problems very efficiently.

2d migration is not even problematic: dxf/cgm/iges have an excellent pictorial rendering and in case of "read" changes, go quiet.

Where are the problems?
1) in the bond 2d/3d in the case of changes + heavy: at the end, slowly, the table is to be remade. for a catia>nx migration I have experienced a methodology that consists in removing the "views" 2d and their replacement with similar views coming from the model, modified via st.
teamcenter still keeps you alive logically.

2) in assembly constraints.
in case of changes to the components who assures you that you have not caused unpleasant interference?
2 solutions... st at assembly level, or you put the constrain 3d (always for this catia>nx migration I have developed a prototype app from one of my ae that puts alone the assy constraint based on the shapes of the faces in coupling and on their reciprocal position...

However I see you as "optimistic" and this is the main component for the success of a migration cad :finger:
 
ful72 said:
as I imagined for the 2d you have to give them back or at least requote them. give me a advice instead to which you would have to deal not so much with complex assemblies as with very complex surfaces like artistic perfumery.
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I would be in you to evaluate pro/e or say the new creo.. :wink:
It is a high-end cad, works very well with complex assemblies and even with high-level work surfaces, also you are not obliged to buy any plm if you do not want it.
Mauro:) said:
I'm not a big cat expert yet, but I assure you that you can do what you want. is widely used in both automotive and aerospace sectors. is also used for modeling jewelry to be produced in series. Also nx is a great program, along with catia stà in the highest part of the market. Obviously the costs are higher than thinkdesign but if you want to change in better... it is also to be evaluated the pdm-plm speech always if you use it. nx maintains a certain continuity between versions. catia, however, until now, tends to make a "zero point" and to propose a new version that is actually a new software, see v3, v4, v5 and is already ready v6. from catia v6 it will be obligatory to work with its plm with a lot of merits, management documents, revisions, coding.... but also some negative side for the small reality and that is greater costs related to the maintenance of a plm.
nx, instead it can work even without plm, always for those who can or want to make it less... but it is a sin. If you want to save a little something, I think you could show you solid-edge, the latest versions include remarkable improvements in skin manipulation (or surfaces), it is the younger brother of nx and losing it retains good compatibility with the latter. As for the technical part of the mould, I'm sure it's your case, but you know better than me what the complexity of your aesthetic surfaces is. Why don't you make a good demo with your files?
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but look I am having a direct experience regarding the new v6 cat with the integrated plm 2.0 from our "client". . .
apparently dassault as of plm did not sell it, he had the brilliant idea to integrate it mandatoryly in v6.
very nice to see, but unfortunately they also sold a lot of smoke, in fact this customer despite I told him to pay a lot of attention to what "promise" dassault , is paying the shake and is evaluating to do in front of windchill 10.
They have focused a lot on the scenic and graphic aspect but actually the features are disastrous, a good plm must have some years of roding behind it, something that plm 2.0 does not have and when a company makes an investment in that sense, it must be sure that everything works properly, not to fall into bad surprises and have to start from scratch every time.
I'm an estimator of the plm but only when a company really needs it, the humiliation hurts me, especially when they want to sell you something that doesn't....:cool:

greetings
 
ps: I had even advised tc to this company if they did not want to take winchill, but the owner too likes the news even if they do not work. :-)
There was no hope....:smile:
 
Thanks for bringing back your experience, "parametric_ozzy". those who were just afraid to me now begin to worry me a little more! For us the pdm is not indispensable, if it also makes you damn because it is not good... I think I will push for nx but I think I have the same problems as your client!
 
Parametric_Ozzy said:
ps: I had even advised tc to this company if they did not want to take winchill, but the owner too likes the news even if they do not work. :-)
There was no hope....:smile:
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will have thought

"the usual technical vendor who wants to propose something better than the majestic and fantastic catia"
 
Mauro:) said:
Thanks for bringing back your experience, "parametric_ozzy". those who were just afraid to me now begin to worry me a little more! For us the pdm is not indispensable, if it also makes you damn because it is not good... I think I will push for nx but I think I have the same problems as your client!
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of nothing, it is necessary to give to cesare what is of cesare, seen the enerrabili casini already with the versions cad between one release and the other, figure the plm...
I believe that many problems are common, unfortunately today I know that you look more the interface and the beautiful ribbons rather than the solidity and architecture of a system, for the cad I can also pass it is so cool, but for the plm absolutely not... Well if it is not indispensable so much better, but for a future I would warm it anyway, the important thing is to have the faculty of choice. :finger:
 
flaviobrio88 said:
will have thought

"the usual technical vendor who wants to propose something better than the majestic and fantastic catia"
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I don't even know all the qualities he has, but like cad and point!
even if to tell you the truth, for what they did think it would be enough also solidedge or inventor at modeling level, but I repeat the owner is a very eclectic person, one who looks more at the corporate image than the substance, I repeat... They're going back, and it's not the owner who works on the systems. .
 
Parametric_Ozzy said:
I don't even know all the qualities he has, but like cad and point!
even if to tell you the truth, for what they did think it would be enough also solidedge or inventor at modeling level, but I repeat the owner is a very eclectic person, one who looks more at the corporate image than the substance, I repeat... They're going back, and it's not the owner who works on the systems. .
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majestic and fantastic I said it by irony;)
 
cacciatorino said:
I'm sorry if I repeat myself but I still can't understand the purpose of sending these messages completely useless from the information point of view.

with all the sympathy for the difficult situation of t3 workers, this way of doing allusions and transversal remains is only irritating for those who do not know what they are talking about.
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This was the sense of wait and see.
http://www.think3.com/it/news--events/news/important-notice2#n31cus5ovr_1y2g_m4jnuw
 
rizzeto said:
This was the sense of wait and see.
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Yes, but from your "wait and see" one thing could understand? if one had the asf licenses expired, what should he do after reading your message? Would he have had any extra tools to move? I don't think so.
 
cacciatorino said:
Yes, but from your "wait and see" one thing could understand? if one had the asf licenses expired, what should he do after reading your message? Would he have had any extra tools to move? I don't think so.
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for those who were there at the expiration no extra tool, unfortunately... if not pay and throw money.
but...

said this, for those who had paid now could claim back the money, as paid should not be able to honor the contract
(this is what I think).
 
Tequila_pilota said:
apart from what written on the link, at the end of think3 things what will end? will be put on a corner of a warehouse to rot or pour to sell it will have to make a restyling of the software and propose it with another name?
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a) think3 is now empty. away the key people you want to do?
(b) paid to my humble opinion it is not able to help us
c) the best thing that can happen is that you find another acquirer.

d) it's hard...
 
rizzeto said:
a) think3 is now empty. away the key people you want to do?
(b) paid to my humble opinion it is not able to help us
c) the best thing that can happen is that you find another acquirer.

d) it's hard...
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a) very big problem.. .
b) you're right... and then it would take a change of strategy and someone with clear ideas on the market you want to cover
c) now is hard. who is interested in a company that has 80% of its park installed in Italy?? ? park installed, among other things, that is raided by competitors now at low hands. . .
d) you're right... In fact, I think t3 is simply over.
 
The_Matrix said:
a) very big problem.. .
b) you're right... and then it would take a change of strategy and someone with clear ideas on the market you want to cover
c) now is hard. who is interested in a company that has 80% of its park installed in Italy?? ? park installed, among other things, that is raided by competitors now at low hands. . .
d) you're right... In fact, I think t3 is simply over.
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reason almost everything, but on the park installed do not forget the Japan. That's a lot.
 
who has signed contracts with vrsata that will end, will he have to pay? for what at this point?
 

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