protect yourself from suppliers with slightly "clean" files

[avalon3d]

Bye to all,
I do not know if it is the correct section, as my interest in the matter follows almost more the legal aspect than the technical one. . .
I work with my nx license in order: At some point, I'm stuck with the axieme for a component from an unreliable supplier.

Of course, mark it immediately to siemens the file, to prevent them from coming to take it with me!
but the questions do not stop here: for lost work, who pays?
How do I protect myself from such a situation in the future?

 

[cacciatorino]

for lost work, who pays?

You.

it has been spoken at the end of this siemens methodology that downloads on honest users the cost of contrast to piracy. to the limit you can rival the supplier, but for how civil justice goes in Italy, wishes... .

How do I protect myself from such a situation in the future?

You can get your suppliers to sign a card where you tell them about the consequences in case of illegal use of the software, but I don't know how effective these clauses can be.

 

[avalon3d]

thanks hunter: I had read about the siemens system for the "control" of non-official lics, but since we now know that things are like this and siemens seem not to have bowed to change the anti-piracy line, I did not want to re-attach myself to the controversy on the issue.
my intention was to find a possible solution, that you protect a company or professional from the legal point of view without resorting to endless causes and consequent k€ of expenses.. .
If maybe someone found himself in such a situation and wants to quote his experience, or he feels like giving advice.. .

 

[Tequila]

As the hunter said, he talked about it... for my part when this problem came out I spoke with the owner (it was a period that worked with some outsiders) and after explaining the situation we contacted the collaborators by placing this problem that fortunately they answered us to have the regular licenses and that they could send us when we wanted the data to verify them and that they too were aware of such control. I talk about solid edge (always produced siemens).

 

[cacciatorino]

We contacted the employees by placing this problem that fortunately answered us to have the regular licenses and that they could send us when we wanted the data to verify them and that they were also aware of this control. I talk about solid edge (always produced siemens).

The problem is that the supplier can have two licenses in order and three more pirates, so what are you doing?

 

[The_Matrix]

Bye to all,
I do not know if it is the correct section, as my interest in the matter follows almost more the legal aspect than the technical one. . .
I work with my nx license in order: At some point, I'm stuck with the axieme for a component from an unreliable supplier.

Of course, mark it immediately to siemens the file, to prevent them from coming to take it with me!
but the questions do not stop here: for lost work, who pays?
How do I protect myself from such a situation in the future?

I can suggest you take a look here:http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/it_it/about_us/piracy/index.shtmlthere is a very clear pdf document.

I may also suggest that you feel your business in contact with our European Privacy Policy Manager.
(which is Italian, competent and very helpful)

in general:
1) to sign a contract in which you specify that the issues of piracy are borne by the supplier
2) establish that any repair is borne by the supplier and is not "remade" the 3d/2d, but is "repaired" by siemens (then with much lesser times)
3) oblige the supplier to place on the username/hostid/license file in the table cart

Bye.

 

[The_Matrix]

You.it has been spoken at the end of this siemens methodology that downloads on honest users the cost of contrast to piracy. to the limit you can rival the supplier, but for how civil justice goes in Italy, wishes... .



You can get your suppliers to sign a card where you tell them about the consequences in case of illegal use of the software, but I don't know how effective these clauses can be.

I don't understand your attitude, as you know... but we are tired of having opposite ideas.

I say that the file can be "repaired" from us... at the expense of the supplier. and in short time.
The alternative is not to control pirate licenses. or to control them less invasively (but less effective).
we are not to control and we are not to control "blando" control: our ip must be protected because it is the only true value of our company.
what we do is absolutely legal and appreciated both by bsa and gdf.
We are perfectly aware that sometimes our intransigence is used against us in negotiations... What do you think our prospects don't notice?
patience, we prefer to lose the sale rather than go down to terms.

then, if you have any idea how to fight piracy without touching the "cad parts", well come...

 

[IPdesign]

in general:
1) to sign a contract in which you specify that the issues of piracy are borne by the supplier
2) establish that any repair is borne by the supplier and is not "remade" the 3d/2d, but is "repaired" by siemens (then with much lesser times)
3) oblige the supplier to place on the username/hostid/license file in the table cart

Bye.

As he rightly says hunting, he talked about it until exhaustion and I do not want this tread to end up generating flame like many others.
All that matrix is correct and shared, but in my humble opinion it has little substance with the rule of law with which we are dealing today.
a cause to our supplier will end up giving us reason when our azience is supposedly already closed.
that is why many of those who run in certain gabboles don't even bother to make complaints, they just saw the supplier, possibly without paying it and charge on the groppone any trouble derived from the delay of delivery and remaking of mathematics etc...

In my opinion, if you provide a type of policy:
1) you provide us with infected files and complaint of the author of the same
2) we remove the files and take the entire legal part for damages both ours and yours.

so that many would not even put the problem, I give the job to anyone who wants to do it without asking for certifications, knowing that in the case of fraudulent use of the software I am not minimally disturbed but obtain in any case a "functional" file as I requested it in time for delivery to my client.

here is a good solution for siemens customers who would once and for all end word to diatribes between users and software house.

 

[The_Matrix]

As he rightly says hunting, he talked about it until exhaustion and I do not want this tread to end up generating flame like many others.
All that matrix is correct and shared, but in my humble opinion it has little substance with the rule of law with which we are dealing today.
a cause to our supplier will end up giving us reason when our azience is supposedly already closed.
that is why many of those who run in certain gabboles don't even bother to make complaints, they just saw the supplier, possibly without paying it and charge on the groppone any trouble derived from the delay of delivery and remaking of mathematics etc...

In my opinion, if you provide a type of policy:
1) you provide us with infected files and complaint of the author of the same
2) we remove the files and take the entire legal part for damages both ours and yours.

so that many would not even put the problem, I give the job to anyone who wants to do it without asking for certifications, knowing that in the case of fraudulent use of the software I am not minimally disturbed but obtain in any case a "functional" file as I requested it in time for delivery to my client.

here is a good solution for siemens customers who would once and for all end word to diatribes between users and software house.

Things have changed lately. . .
we are fully autonomous in the search and persecution of piracy... You're not the one who denunces and communicates.

regarding your proposals:1) you provide us with infected files and complaint of the author of the same We don't need money... we do.
If you notice "infected" files and you want to report it to us, better for you, right?
if you want to provide the "infect" files and you want us to fix them, no problem: You charge your fraudulent supplier, or force him to do so.
2) we remove the files and take the entire legal part for damages both ours and yours.the legal part is all our burden.
our damage we treat them, directly with those who have damaged us. . .
Your damage, sorry, but you have to handle it.

on the fact that this discussion becomes a "flame", no problem... better a bit of healthy controversy, as long as there is information... and that the information is correct.

for more details, go to read the pdf I linked to you or ask: piracy.aud@siemens.com

 

[enri]

Have you ever wondered that maybe those who use pirate copies in the company do not know that this protection system exists? otherwise it does not go to provide a file that will surely create problems, legal with the company, and for the pirate copy. Perhaps it is trivial as a solution, but why don't you put a very clear notice on all copies of nx (even legal ones) as pop up that is then closed, (it doesn't hurt to close a window to the aperture of the sw) that warns of the system and the consequences? It's a bit like the Velox, it's not necessary to make fines but to enforce speed limits, in the graveyard they are in beautiful sight and yellow, here they hide behind the bushes.

 

[ceschi1959]

Have you ever wondered that maybe those who use pirate copies in the company do not know that this protection system exists? otherwise it does not go to provide a file that will surely create problems, legal with the company, and for the pirate copy. Perhaps it is trivial as a solution, but why don't you put a very clear notice on all copies of nx (even legal ones) as pop up that is then closed, (it doesn't hurt to close a window to the aperture of the sw) that warns of the system and the consequences? It's a bit like the Velox, it's not necessary to make fines but to enforce speed limits, in the graveyard they are in beautiful sight and yellow, here they hide behind the bushes.

all these distinctions and subtleties are out of place.

I do not intend to defend siemens that I believe has wide shoulders enough but I want to defend the free competition that piracy and certain behaviors kill.

 

[The_Matrix]

Have you ever wondered that maybe those who use pirate copies in the company do not know that this protection system exists? otherwise it does not go to provide a file that will surely create problems, legal with the company, and for the pirate copy. Perhaps it is trivial as a solution, but why don't you put a very clear notice on all copies of nx (even legal ones) as pop up that is then closed, (it doesn't hurt to close a window to the aperture of the sw) that warns of the system and the consequences? It's a bit like the Speed Camera, it's not for fines but for speed limits, in the land are in beautiful sight and yellow, here they hide behind the bushes.

It's an interesting idea.
Maybe we will.. .

in use the police, instead, it padded much worse than our... They treat you like a criminal of the worst species... You can get into serious trouble.
And yet it's always a speed limit, isn't it? as in Italy, in uk, etc.

 

[cacciatorino]

all these distinctions and subtleties are out of place.

I do not intend to defend siemens that I believe has wide shoulders enough but I want to defend the free competition that piracy and certain behaviors kill.

But in fact, no one in here thinks it's in favor of piracy, I lost jobs for myself because I didn't have the specific software required by the client, then maybe went to the competitor x that the software always has them all.

we talk about the method. this used by siemens in which the consequences of the damage go to the honest user, which among other things is alerted at a distance of time, when it is now impossible to remedy.... what to say, to me it seems studied to generate a cash flow with the cleanliness that only they can do. If it was just about finding the pirates, the cleansing would make it free after reporting the origin of the file, right?

You think if we were fine because the shirt we bought was sewn by a black worker, wouldn't it look like an unfair sanction?

 

[avalon3d]

I didn't want to create another crib!
we say that only companies with bigger shoulders can afford to cover a mistake made by others, as I have personally seen happen.
simply, I was interested in understanding how I can compare the blow without giving us time/money, especially in these times not just roses (despite what the government says :biggrin: )

 

[The_Matrix]

But in fact, no one in here thinks it's in favor of piracy, I lost jobs for myself because I didn't have the specific software required by the client, then maybe went to the competitor x that the software always has them all.

we talk about the method. this used by siemens in which the consequences of the damage go to the honest user, which among other things is alerted at a distance of time, when it is now impossible to remedy.... what to say, to me it seems studied to generate a cash flow with the cleanliness that only they can do. If it was just about finding the pirates, the cleansing would make it free after reporting the origin of the file, right?

You think if we were fine because the shirt we bought was sewn by a black worker, wouldn't it look like an unfair sanction?

hunting.
If you buy a good, maybe half the purchase price "official", and it turns out that the good was stolen. . .
Do you know how to configure what you did? "inclusive purchase."
You may not agree, but the law is so.
we don't do anything out of law and we don't "discount" anyone... not even to large automobile or aeronautical companies. . .

on file cleaning: the price you pay, pays only the work of file transmission, cleaning and re- sending.

 

[cacciatorino]

hunting.
If you buy a good, maybe half the purchase price "official", and it turns out that the good was stolen. . .

What if the price is fair? You don't think the supplier will tell you: "No, you know, since nx is pirated, I'll give you 20 euros/hour..." :biggrin:

I think a lot more will simply put in my pocket what would be the share of amortization. . . .

 

[The_Matrix]

I didn't want to create another crib!
we say that only companies with bigger shoulders can afford to cover a mistake made by others, as I have personally seen happen.
simply, I was interested in understanding how I can compare the blow without giving us time/money, especially in these times not just roses (despite what the government says :biggrin: )

no avalon parapillas.. .
We must have clear ideas on the method of control and the consequences.
I hope my suggestions are useful to you.
If you need more information, ask also, even in pvt... better information more than one less.

 

[The_Matrix]

What if the price is fair? You don't think the supplier will tell you: "No, you know, since nx is pirated, I'll give you 20 euros/hour..." :biggrin:

I think a lot more will simply put in my pocket what would be the share of amortization. . . .

everything can be.
by experience, it happens that:
- or the "pirate" supplier makes you a price + low market
- or the "pirate" supplier does not have sufficient official licenses to cope with work
incauto purchase (d. pen.)
commits such contravention anyone, without having first ascertained the legitimate origin, acquires or receives in any way things that, for their quality or for the condition of those who offer them or for the entity of the price, it is a reason to suspect that they come from crime (art. 712 c.p.).
It is also punished by those who strive to purchase or receive any of the above mentioned things, without having first ascertained the legitimate origin.
for punishment it is sufficient that those who buy did not lend due diligence when, for the quality of the purchased things, the conditions of those who offer the price, had to suspect the illicitness of their origin. is the subjective element a differential element between (—) and recipe: blame for the first offense, dolo for the second: while in the recipe there is the certainty, by the agent, of the delittuous origin of the purchased or received, in the other there is the shocked failure to ascertain that origin.
Another difference is that the crime precondition, in the present case, can also be a contravention.
who suffers the conviction for this contravention may be subject to the security measure of probation.
penalty: stop up to 6 months or fine not less than 10 euros.

 

[Er Presidente]

the solution is a disarming simplicity:

All official license owners, no longer accept models except through the aziemens.
of the series "please do me courtesy, send her files to the mother's house, verifying them and I send them back."

all with certified mailbox, clearly.

p.s.: matrix, siemens is perfectly right about everything, unless on a simple fact, get paid the "cleaning". It would be enough to do it for free (which is not so much for free because they work for you, for your interest) and it would be "a sword".

p.p.s.: starting from the assumption that all customers are "contained" until proven otherwise is, at least, censorable.

:smile:

 

[Tequila]

incauto purchase (d. pen.)
commits such contravention anyone, without having first ascertained the legitimate origin, acquires or receives in any way things that, for their quality or for the condition of those who offer them or for the entity of the price, it is a reason to suspect that they come from crime (art. 712 c.p.).
It is also punished by those who strive to purchase or receive any of the above mentioned things, without having first ascertained the legitimate origin.
for punishment it is sufficient that those who buy did not lend due diligence when, for the quality of the purchased things, the conditions of those who offer the price, had to suspect the illicitness of their origin. is the subjective element a differential element between (—) and recipe: blame for the first offense, dolo for the second: while in the recipe there is the certainty, by the agent, of the delittuous origin of the purchased or received, in the other there is the shocked failure to ascertain that origin.
Another difference is that the crime precondition, in the present case, can also be a contravention.
who suffers the conviction for this contravention may be subject to the security measure of probation.
penalty: stop up to 6 months or fine not less than 10 euros.

only for this part should close at least half listings on ebay... or to close completely barracks and puppets to various Chinese