maxopus
Guest
Of course we could set up a comedy in here.
from thema to marx to women to alcoholism.... is a moment.
from thema to marx to women to alcoholism.... is a moment.
RS4
Guest
poor Italian.. .
as you say you er president has put little that with blue sweater grrr!!! to destroy the Italian style.. We hope you don't touch hardware and maserati. .
bmw presented the new series 5 that I leave to you the judgment.. I say wow
in the 90s the series 5 in confroonto alla Lancia thema was a style basket.... now the fiat has been so good to turn the parts, of course that it wants to
as you say you er president has put little that with blue sweater grrr!!! to destroy the Italian style.. We hope you don't touch hardware and maserati. .
bmw presented the new series 5 that I leave to you the judgment.. I say wow
in the 90s the series 5 in confroonto alla Lancia thema was a style basket.... now the fiat has been so good to turn the parts, of course that it wants to
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marcof
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Bah... all this agitation for the aesthetics of a box with 4 wheels that serves to move, at high price, from to b remains for me really an inscrutable mystery.
a little as if a craftsman bought a drill based on his design and then felt like using that fine object
I have "a big crisis" [cit.] and this obsession with aesthetics and design is losing sight of the priorities that should lead the production of an object or its purchase.
Try to think about how many energies are uselessly wasted for design, design and industrialization of shampo containers and various balms for hair. caxxo, I need a jar any not a sculpted shape, with surfaces in a^3 class, with fluorescent cap uncomplicable in 7 parts.
What a waste of intellect...:frown:
arzigogolo
Guest
fully agree!:finger:
It is not even a misunderstanding, it is the chrysler 300c with the word "thema"! !
Of course they didn't make too much effort! And I believe you! they have taken an already beautiful model that made and have hung over the brand launches!:3559:
at least the old thema was the result of a squeeze of meningi and was made in Italy, these did nothing but take something already ready! :hahahah:
these are the fruits of fusion with chrysler... Good stuff!
but go to the fiat!! !
stefanobruno
Guest
selfishly, better like that.
until the whole world changes its priorities, the restylings come.
ps. : I have an 11-year-old tine and I don't give a damn about soft lines.
Er Presidente
Guest
Of course, for you, it only counts the shape of the smurfs, of steam!Bah... all this agitation for the aesthetics of a box with 4 wheels that serves to move, at high price, from to b remains for me really an inscrutable mystery.
a little as if a craftsman bought a drill based on his design and then felt like using that fine object
I have "a big crisis" [cit.] and this obsession with aesthetics and design is losing sight of the priorities that should lead the production of an object or its purchase.
Try to think about how many energies are uselessly wasted for design, design and industrialization of shampo containers and various balms for hair. caxxo, I need a jar any not a sculpted shape, with surfaces in a^3 class, with fluorescent cap uncomplicable in 7 parts.
What a waste of intellect...:frown:
Of course you're the land, who knows what you do!
Surely you spread the coals in the cargo bays of the ships, only that they are firm from the demolitor and you did not notice, you make me think of the movie, that of the pianist.
:smile:
marcof
Guest
because the clouds of steam are constantly becoming, never equal, a restyling of nature and above all take soft forms without need of the designer... :smile:
marcof
Guest
Tino? I don't even know what you're talking about. think what can give me soft lines in a car
Giuseppe Mauro
Guest
Well, there's something to think about. . .
If an Italian company prefers to produce in america (I'm not talking about cina, malesia or polonia), obviously (empty for salaries, you want for rules, you want for productivity) it is best to do it there.
and strangely nobody sticks in the head that a company must think of profit. It's his job beyond duty.
It's not a christmas babble, which brings out money because the miraculous worker today came "the melancholy attack of the native land" and so he can't work. . .
speech aside are state aid. I pay (I don't pay another) money because fiat is sinking? but it burned before yesterday!
but who pays me when I was 3 months without work? ? ! !
If an Italian company prefers to produce in america (I'm not talking about cina, malesia or polonia), obviously (empty for salaries, you want for rules, you want for productivity) it is best to do it there.
and strangely nobody sticks in the head that a company must think of profit. It's his job beyond duty.
It's not a christmas babble, which brings out money because the miraculous worker today came "the melancholy attack of the native land" and so he can't work. . .
speech aside are state aid. I pay (I don't pay another) money because fiat is sinking? but it burned before yesterday!
but who pays me when I was 3 months without work? ? ! !
roberto 2011
Guest
you don't give work to others (how many?) human beings.
The speech of fiat funding is a little more complicated. Perhaps it is the only strangeness that followed the speech to keep on a brand that honored and gave credibility to Italy in the world... in the sense that maybe it is the only expense not made for corruption. .
The communists are missing, I don't think that anyone would question that a company should think about its profit.
the problem is that you can't do anything, so go against all civil and human rules, because you have to earn more and more.
I'm thinking about the pension speech. they are slaughtering those who take a minimum of pension and with that pension maybe there are also children and grandchildren (not always rightly if the boilers in rome are all Pakistani and Egyptian because the abbruzzesi and Molisani do not "below" anymore to do so), and save the many shameful privileges of so many castes that the strongest are given even in periods of crisis.
The fiat goes away. the production sector is reduced to the minimum. we see each other and we all believe very rich. Finance now tells us every line in a beard to any other choice.
optimism ok, but it is not possible to pretend nothing. We should all be on our necks and decide on our destinies. regardless of ideologies and parties that seem to me, fortunately, that count less and less despite years and years of tragic split lived... .
brandnne also sold cyrisler (you write so?) with brand fiat and fiat with brand crysler... even with all the obbrobris of possible and imaginable designers, but not to close the Italian factories because every worker sent home will almost certainly become an unemployed person who will no longer be able to support his family.
:frown:
Giuseppe Mauro
Guest
But why does the worker fiat how many thousand thousand people to camp? (I say fiat as an example, but the speech is generic)
he stays at home for 6 months at 80% salary and I stay at home for 6 months at 0% revenue.
Your children survive my no...
That's the point. you have to finish thinking about spending money to appear. You have to be.you don't give work to others (how many?) human beings.
The speech of fiat funding is a little more complicated. Perhaps it is the only strangeness that followed the speech to keep on a brand that honored and gave credibility to Italy in the world... in the sense that maybe it is the only expense not made for corruption. .
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the problem is that you can't do anything, so go against all civil and human rules, because you have to earn more and more.
I'm thinking about the pension speech. they are slaughtering those who take a minimum of pension and with that pension maybe there are also children and grandchildren (not always rightly if the boilers in rome are all Pakistani and Egyptian because the abbruzzesi and Molisani do not "below" anymore to do so), and save the many shameful privileges of so many castes that the strongest are given even in periods of crisis.
Isn't fiat competitive? that disappears. not that we take public money and give it to someone to look nice strong and healthy, and then the pensioner is at home eating the webs of home.
wake up!
roberto 2011
Guest
You're trading fiat with fiat workers.
It is assumed that aid has a positive impact on employment and therefore on the economy of the country, otherwise they would not make sense and certainly should be as you say.
:frown:
stefanobruno
Guest
... and to give false dividends to those who "work" reading the sun24 hours, while his workers are at home or in wool.
IB-Motorsport
Guest
beautiful!!!! I really like it! ! !
RS4
Guest
audi a6 and bmw series 5 at the top with the new lance thema on the podium that breaks class and. last jaguar xf
facebook fans infomotori.com have no hair on the tongue and also this time they showed that they have very clear ideas about their preferences in premium berline. having to choose between the 5 cars more at the moment the choice went straight towards the germany with audi a6 and bmw series 5 that took together more than 75% of the overall preferences.
surprise the new thema launch (which must still be marketed and will be presented to the international press in mid-October) climbed on the podium scalzando the third German, the mercedes class and.
black mesh for the jaguar xf that closes the lump despite the jaguar appeal that should have helped, but obviously the first moves of the Indian leaders of the nanny, that controls both jaguar and land rover did not go very well.
jaguar xf is actually part of the heritage of past management ford (and in fact the design more than a coventry car seems more suitable for detroit pens...), but also the last move to reduce the displacement of the turbodiesel of the xf from 3 to 2,2 liters with 190 cv of power seems little happy and boost more to reduce the costs that to increase the image of the jaguar in Europe.
audi a6 instead has centered the target despite having a little original line and very close to that of a8 and a4 but the classic evidently likes the sportsmanship of the new bmw series 5 that does not stand even her in fantasy being very similar to the flagship series 7.
hopefully the third place of the new launch thema that will have to convince especially the Germans and the English that the Italian-American technology of the chrysler 300 developed by launch with Italian diesel engines is able to challenge the German premium with an extremely aggressive value for money thanks to the remarkable economies of scale allowed by the alliance chrysler fiat group.
the group unfortunately lacks the Swedes, today controlled by the Chinese, since the volvo s80 is waiting for a new generation more competitive and the saab pours in society conditions to say little disastrous. france on premium berline chose to overtake by pointing on averages of value but far from audi a6 and bmw 5 as can be the same citroen c5 or peugeot 508.
http://www.infomotori.com/auto/2011/09/26/audi-a6-bmw-serie-5-top-nuova-thema-classe-e-xf/
facebook fans infomotori.com have no hair on the tongue and also this time they showed that they have very clear ideas about their preferences in premium berline. having to choose between the 5 cars more at the moment the choice went straight towards the germany with audi a6 and bmw series 5 that took together more than 75% of the overall preferences.
surprise the new thema launch (which must still be marketed and will be presented to the international press in mid-October) climbed on the podium scalzando the third German, the mercedes class and.
black mesh for the jaguar xf that closes the lump despite the jaguar appeal that should have helped, but obviously the first moves of the Indian leaders of the nanny, that controls both jaguar and land rover did not go very well.
jaguar xf is actually part of the heritage of past management ford (and in fact the design more than a coventry car seems more suitable for detroit pens...), but also the last move to reduce the displacement of the turbodiesel of the xf from 3 to 2,2 liters with 190 cv of power seems little happy and boost more to reduce the costs that to increase the image of the jaguar in Europe.
audi a6 instead has centered the target despite having a little original line and very close to that of a8 and a4 but the classic evidently likes the sportsmanship of the new bmw series 5 that does not stand even her in fantasy being very similar to the flagship series 7.
hopefully the third place of the new launch thema that will have to convince especially the Germans and the English that the Italian-American technology of the chrysler 300 developed by launch with Italian diesel engines is able to challenge the German premium with an extremely aggressive value for money thanks to the remarkable economies of scale allowed by the alliance chrysler fiat group.
the group unfortunately lacks the Swedes, today controlled by the Chinese, since the volvo s80 is waiting for a new generation more competitive and the saab pours in society conditions to say little disastrous. france on premium berline chose to overtake by pointing on averages of value but far from audi a6 and bmw 5 as can be the same citroen c5 or peugeot 508.
http://www.infomotori.com/auto/2011/09/26/audi-a6-bmw-serie-5-top-nuova-thema-classe-e-xf/
MBT
Guest
a question...
Was this ranking drawn from facebooks?
that counts a 5% "experts" and 95% "common people", the same ones that look at the "big brother", who choose a product because "fa figo", that publish on feisbuc even photos of when they are at the cabinet. . .
honestly, as a champion (and consequently as a ranking), I would take it with beautiful long springs.. .
especially considering that thema is on sale since October, so for many people considerations can be made only on the wave of how much read in magazines or seen in TV. .
Was this ranking drawn from facebooks?
that counts a 5% "experts" and 95% "common people", the same ones that look at the "big brother", who choose a product because "fa figo", that publish on feisbuc even photos of when they are at the cabinet. . .
honestly, as a champion (and consequently as a ranking), I would take it with beautiful long springs.. .
especially considering that thema is on sale since October, so for many people considerations can be made only on the wave of how much read in magazines or seen in TV. .
MBT
Guest
I do not want to express comments and reviews on style, on line, on managerial choices of the fiat group
aesthetically it is not discussed. like or not like, question of tastes
on managerial choices, none of us have sufficient information to make a complete and objective assessment. is based on assumptions and assumptions, which leave the time they find
honestly, but it's personal opinion, I think fiat with freemont and thema, are importing a Yankee style in Italy, exporting motor technology in use.
on the second part of the statement, there is not much to say. gasoline starts to be expensive even overseas, and are not used to design engines of 2 liters or less...
on the first, bhe, just look at the lines. I think it won't be a failure. or better, it will be but not because the idea is wrong, but because between crisis, dear gasoline etc. soon we should all abandon suv, sav, sw and go along to rediscover the "mini" with engines of 1 liter or little less and consumption from more than 25 km/l.... if we want to continue to move freely. Otherwise... tram, bus, train and horse... .
aesthetically it is not discussed. like or not like, question of tastes
on managerial choices, none of us have sufficient information to make a complete and objective assessment. is based on assumptions and assumptions, which leave the time they find
honestly, but it's personal opinion, I think fiat with freemont and thema, are importing a Yankee style in Italy, exporting motor technology in use.
on the second part of the statement, there is not much to say. gasoline starts to be expensive even overseas, and are not used to design engines of 2 liters or less...
on the first, bhe, just look at the lines. I think it won't be a failure. or better, it will be but not because the idea is wrong, but because between crisis, dear gasoline etc. soon we should all abandon suv, sav, sw and go along to rediscover the "mini" with engines of 1 liter or little less and consumption from more than 25 km/l.... if we want to continue to move freely. Otherwise... tram, bus, train and horse... .
xLOGANx
Guest
to me, the name thema has always remembered power and elegance together: you want because he had the mechanic from down to home and back from school (elementary) I admired everything black; you want because the hardware version screamed more than pavarotti than the times that were... I don't know. when fiat launched the freemont (or as cabbage is written)...so car enthusiasts immediately realized that there are no engineers in the fiat but there are only designers who use the "carbon paper". and thema (new) could not be an exception. Of course, my mechanic told me: "At least, the color of the counter and odometer is different from that of 300 c :biggrin: and at least on that they have engaged".
What a disappointment. and where do we want to go with this step?
I believe that design and care of forms is important. the crisis of ideas in fiat, at least for what I think, dates back to the exit of the new chrome a few years ago: a horror, compared to that beast of the 90s. beautiful the previous; One piece of shit now.
What a sadness:
What a disappointment. and where do we want to go with this step?
I believe that design and care of forms is important. the crisis of ideas in fiat, at least for what I think, dates back to the exit of the new chrome a few years ago: a horror, compared to that beast of the 90s. beautiful the previous; One piece of shit now.
What a sadness:
Oldwarper
Guest
the problem is that importing American lines (cassons from 40 quintals with the aerodynamics of a wall of gasbeton) and inserting us Italian motors (small, light-light, slimmed to the bone, the power of a chainsaw from meadows) risk not to climb even the ramp of the garage.
I have as vague impression that Americans motorically have nothing to learn, even if they do much earlier to "buy and dismember" rather than reinvent.
with regard to diesel, for years the vm, superspecialized in high-power diesel specific, has been acquired by detroit.
always remains my previous impression... It is not the fiat that acquired the chrysler... surely not if you look at the business behaviour, typically American (acquire-preleva-chiudi).
imho minchionne has "perfuso" the money fiat (Italian) in chrysler, which is then proceeding with the American logic that he learned in his "studies" (eh, international culture... a brain "fugged" of which we would not have felt the lack) to "buy-and-close" the fiat after taking all the know-how it needs.
Then, the fact that the contrary is believed is used to fiat shareholders and trade unions to give a pride to the few Italian remains of a brand now nonexistent as an Italian reality.
returning to the mouse, horrific, like all American cars. a shame of the Italian marketers, who have not even been wasted to change those few details that would have distinguished a fiesta-1 from a fiesta-2...
but if they manage to sell in Italy cash from truciole like freemont or like nitro dodges, maybe they are right.. .
I have as vague impression that Americans motorically have nothing to learn, even if they do much earlier to "buy and dismember" rather than reinvent.
with regard to diesel, for years the vm, superspecialized in high-power diesel specific, has been acquired by detroit.
always remains my previous impression... It is not the fiat that acquired the chrysler... surely not if you look at the business behaviour, typically American (acquire-preleva-chiudi).
imho minchionne has "perfuso" the money fiat (Italian) in chrysler, which is then proceeding with the American logic that he learned in his "studies" (eh, international culture... a brain "fugged" of which we would not have felt the lack) to "buy-and-close" the fiat after taking all the know-how it needs.
Then, the fact that the contrary is believed is used to fiat shareholders and trade unions to give a pride to the few Italian remains of a brand now nonexistent as an Italian reality.
returning to the mouse, horrific, like all American cars. a shame of the Italian marketers, who have not even been wasted to change those few details that would have distinguished a fiesta-1 from a fiesta-2...
but if they manage to sell in Italy cash from truciole like freemont or like nitro dodges, maybe they are right.. .
RS4
Guest
I think it is right that the judgement is done not only technically but also by ordinary people who frequent facebook, because here we talk about aesthetics and diversity.... I repeat that fiat did not waste anything of his own to only copied and put a coat of arms.... launches, instead bmw audi mercedes and jaguar everything from scratch new cars and new style new engines... with the balls... and I add. .
My personal ranking is as follows
bmw
audi
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merchandise
old thema 8.32
quoto alla grande:biggrin: