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mackly46
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If I was weighing on studying----I wasn't part-time student of mechanical engineering. If we want to reduce and reduce the debate to
slogans and oracles.... go ahead...:finger:
Tequila
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Look, I don't want to deceive anyone, but you don't understand this personal rash of yours in this thread.
already the title for me is incomprehensible:
software vs free software vs caste ceto, class, order, layer. (s.f.), category
What does that mean? software (payment fee) vs software free vs caste ceto, order, layer. (s.f.), category... (which caxxo means
)parts saying that companies in Italy do not invest on the employee (I agree even if not all), so you say better arrange yourself (so free professional). you say you made cad choices, student versions etc. and you threw money, then to do courses you enter a niche. This to me seems a nice and good rash and I would have opened a thread in off topic rather than in mechanical cads in comparison, even because there are no comparisons here except a personal statement that autodesk deserves 90% of the market.
more to tell you that in Italy (and also in Europe) it works like this, that is no one does anything at all, or if you do something for nothing you have (even the dog mena the tail for nothing), I don't know what to tell you.
which then is right or unfair is another pair of sleeves. If you throw yourself on free software you have to settle for the limitations they have.
If there's more, try to be more precise.
If you say, we do a reset from my last intervention and start over, but please try to write more understandable what your dilemma of this thread is.
everything was written in tranquility:smile:
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mackly46
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Hahah! no quiet flavio!:biggrin:Sorry I had misunderstood sorry
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But when you write, they tickle you?
mackly46
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Thank you very much! Thank you! I try to get back to the discussion and find us something good, even from your ideas!Look, I don't want to deceive anyone, but you don't understand this personal rash of yours in this thread.
Excuse me but where should I put it??? Are we talking about mechanical cads in comparison or not??? If I'm not mistaken the moderator...it's never heard...it's a sure synonym that it's all right!!!because' of what we're talking about! ie' software cad in comparison....certo, but I'll have been very impulsive in exposing it but I'm done so....now I've jammed my head...and you can't realize it because you haven't been there, dear!already the title for me is incomprehensible:
software vs free software vs caste ceto, class, order, layer. (s.f.), category
What does that mean? software (payment fee) vs software free vs caste ceto, order, layer. (s.f.), category... (which caxxo means
I'm sorry, it's a damn title against the castes on the programs!parts saying that companies in Italy do not invest on the employee (I agree even if not all), so you say better arrange yourself (so free professional). you say you made cad choices, student versions etc. and you threw money, then to do courses you enter a niche. This to me seems a nice and good rash and I would have opened a thread in off topic rather than in mechanical cads in comparison, even because there are no comparisons here except a personal statement that autodesk deserves 90% of the market.
on this we agree at least!no I say better arrange yourself ...with manuals,tutorial,e-learning ..it until one can..poi is better at the practical side
I don't know if the thread is right, but we're talking about software differences and licensing, accessibility, usability.more to tell you that in Italy (and also in Europe) it works like this, that is no one does anything at all, or if you do something for nothing you have (even the dog mena the tail for nothing), I don't know what to tell you.
which then is right or unfair is another pair of sleeves. If you throw yourself on free software you have to settle for the limitations they have.
I mean simply! Everyone, wake up... we are in the world of opensource, ( cit. wikipedia.....in computer science, open source (English term meaning open source code) indicates a software whose authors (more precisely rights holders) allow it, on the contrary they favor the free study and the contribution of modifications by other independent programmers. this is achieved by the application of special licenses. ) but if the computer had done such a thing, as you say, would you have your little icon in the form of Creo view app? but you know what he has already free access to a child of 8 years? ? ?Is it me to see the model 3d maybe downloaded from the internet of an assembly of a bike to cross??ehhhhhhhhhh! We're not talking about use, canada! It's all accessible from Italy! For the language no problem ok I'm good in language, we're bad, but I'm using it!If there's more, try to be more precise.
If you say, we do a reset from my last intervention and start over, but please try to write more understandable what your dilemma of this thread is.
everything was written in tranquility:smile:
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mackly46
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I'm sorry, nobody said anything about zero cost, anything you say, you, and here's why we didn't understand each other. It serves a platform accessible to everyone, okay? but only in the start-up of a hypothetical. You know, I can have all the software in the world, but if you don't make us commitment, time, passion, dedication, concentration, I won't have anything in my hands! But if I do? What does the mentioned software house have from me?? has to be enriched over my career.. .I'm not quoting anything but doing a general summary on the fly.
1) if in use fortunately have this mentality of the spreading aggratis of the training, blessed them, try to see to transfer you so you will get everything free.
no they have made conscious choices, that is to point as in our athenesties to the best software....this mentality was born from open source...and it's not just...(always wiki....the eighties: stallman founded in 1985 the free software foundation (fsf), a non-profit organization for the development and distribution of free software)
Now we're wrong to consider ourselves less, I think we're going to be inferior.
to date account 42 free licenses available! I'll take it.2) autocad as ozzy said is the most crakkato program, if you find yourself well working with the good 2d for you, if you pass to the 3d programs are not free, always you do not use illegal ways to get them.
No no we speak of 3d really.... I was born with 3d, I used for a autocad course, but for mechanics it is exceeded for millennia!(compared to part x who works there:biggringuys you have to believe me but there is a platform for every accessible type is inverosimile! I also offer programs of expensive simulations...for Moldovaflow...ecc.eheh. After the list....:mixed:3) I have made the example of solid edge, because it is what I use, but if you want to put on the other also no problem, politics is always the same, are programs made by people who work like you and me, who have to live, pay the mortgage of the house, the expense etc. so they do not work for free and therefore have a cost sized to the potential of the program.
same thing for those who teach you to use it, or find some pious soul that teaches you aggratis everything, or look for online what you find for free, or you pay to have something done by people who work to live. of some you find manuals in bookstores, you see inventor or solidworks, but to what I find they are also paid there, always that someone for Christmas don't give you them.
Let's say here it's no question that someone, give her something, or nobody does anything at all!
Let's start with the abyss of things!
you new user...if you learn the software offered by the software house and accessible to use it, surely you can take a path already when you are a boy at 16! ?
After what? (by hindering abroad studying in colleges, discourse aside) earthly case, you will use it until 18 /19, see if you like it and take confidence and learn! first project and so on..no? if you find work with this software....good for you! the company to the new secure version pays your course on the software you learned to use!(Here we are at the real utility of the software, the company?
You know, I'm investing, and I'm doing a serious training course for a fee! Is that the point?
The company doesn't have to take it at first....but when you trust me, and you want us to build your professional path, then you'll tell me, I'm fine that the damn 150 euros spread them in these courses! What do you think? ?
Yes, in fact, my outburst was due to the fact that very few atheists and here we talk about universities with the capital that do not adopt these software... like catia and pro-e..
not the serole pigeonitis....and many institutions dictated by wrong market law made very wrong investments under my point of view... and here we are!
ahhahahaha has my friend anconian engineer... he went out with rhino... and then the added value is that he worked with abacus, but cad zero charcoal! rhino x an engineer...ahah.. .
I had solid edge at the time... in the classroom when I was full time... we're not planning to be a b-band software, then go to an apprenticeship course... but really for troglodyes. . .recently ...and you realize that the xxx institute that has licensed the software solid works 2012.. that you can do the world too.(with mechanical module. ,thermal, and yet at the time..it was like buying a sitting ferrari! .5) high-end cads such as catia and nx do not learn in 30 days, are complex and complete tools and used by the largest automotive, aerospace industries, etc. the ability to draw a plate even on these is only a drop on the ocean of things that can do, having knowledge of everything free is utopia.
No excuse me tequila.. I do not say the course in specific free, give me at least the license of the inziale module, the hybrid modeling, solid...I know that the package to calculate the wing structure of a boeing or pmi modules, advanced surfaces. I pay... but give me the basics for free! I mean! ! 6) if as you say autodesk will take 50% or deserve 90% good for you... I only repeat that this thread is useless.
If you become aware of why the autodesk is free and others are not, ask directly to the major siemens, dassault, ptc, etc. here of the forum more to tell you that we do not work for free because, as in point 3, we have to pay for living, we do not know what to tell you.
Yes, but, is that some kind of openness?
I can see it hard... I'm sure if we do this... we don't come anywhere... it's like we're in the 80s... see reference. ...Maybe let me know if when you get software+training+hardware all aggratis if you work for free as well, so if I need a hand to design something, I know I can rely on a person whose cost is zero.
Because I find a job, I'm competitive, I spend classes on courses, let's say what I say... it's not like a thought that's random... I hope someone who gets back into the discussion... because we don't come out!
I leave a wikipedia quote.... .
At present open source tends to assume philosophical importance, consisting of a new conception of life, open and refractory to every obscurantism, which open source aims to overcome by sharing knowledge.I thank you all anyway.. I hope we can understand each other in the next step. !
calacc
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I believe that open source philosophy is not applicable in this field. software houses invest millions and millions of euros in development of new technologies aimed at supporting the design departments, production etc...
I mean, I work in the technical office and I have to design industrial products, do you think I have to plan in basic for cars to produce the computer equipment necessary to improve my cad?!? I mean, someone does it for free, some kind of hoodies. Commercial bookcases, l'open drw di pro/e etc. (according to the open source philosophy :smile
... but you want to compare it for example as the programming of the interface only of the sketcher for example??? (as at siemens, dessault, etc.) they pay for engineers who plan these systems on certain platforms. In my opinion those 30-45 days in trial are enough to decide to adopt a system rather than another, if an extension can be useful rather than another etc...If it happens to me working, to spend 1-2 hours of my time creating a particular macro, a performing fdu that saves me time, I will certainly enjoy sharing it with other users who do my own job. but my job is another, my job is other and it is better if certain things are required to software houses. in the end it is more convenient for everyone who pays people with the right skills to do a certain job, it is more efficient and you save more. It is precisely the productivity of the whole system, otherwise in the course of industrial revolutions, how did the prices of products lower in such a way as to improve the quality of people's lives? It wouldn't have been possible. . .
if you can console a basic platform example at start-up level accessible to all there is some... I for example this week have installed mathcad express gratis, which lasts forever. if then I want to use it to make advanced graphics programming etc... I can test for 30 days these features and then decide on the utility and possibly on the purchase.
Fulvio Romano
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I respond quickly, because he talked about it in multiple threads.I believe that open source philosophy is not applicable in this field. software houses invest millions and millions of euros in development of new technologies aimed at supporting the design departments, production etc...
I mean, I work in the technical office and I have to design industrial products, do you think I have to plan in basic for cars to produce the computer equipment necessary to improve my cad?!? I mean, someone does it for free, some kind of hoodies. Commercial bookcases, l'open drw di pro/e etc. (according to the open source philosophy :smile
apart from the fact that exist free and opensource software for solid modeling (which is not cad), however the equation "gratis" = "from ciappino" is not always satisfied. examples?
- linux vs windows
- libreoffice vs ms office
- thunderbird vs outlook
- chrome vs iexplorer
- vlc vs mediaplayer
Look, I just started reading from left to right my desktop, I could go on infinity.
cacciatorino
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I don't understand much of this discussion, I'm sending you to the area....
Er Presidente
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a bot.I don't understand much of this discussion, I'm sending you to the area....
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Tequila
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as I also wrote above this thread is a personal outburst from area ot and not a confrontation between cad, but I close here not to feed focolai.
marcof
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Look, I'd like to read you, I tried at first, but I just can't. It's a delirium, it looks like the text of a telephone interception. thick sentences, fragments of thoughts thrown down to the flight, an avalanche of "i.e." and more suspension points than those present in the rest of all posts written on cad3d in the last two months.
You can't ask me to make a "version"
calacc
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I am talking about cad precisely and I am saying that the philosophy of open source is not applicable. The free equation = from the hood is satisfied if we talk about cad, and this is spoken. if then you can find around a solid modeler free (at chrome level as a browser) that is performing at least as solidworks let me know that I unload it :biggrin:
re_solidworks
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Mah, here would open the usual diatribe. for me of the 4 comparisons the first 3 are in favor of the second column, but you enter the personal opinions and especially in the experiences of personal use.
to get back to topic: I have 2 licenses of premium product desing suites and autodesk does not give, you pay as much as others. every now and then it includes some software in the suite, but in my opinion it gives something because it agrees to be lower in the package more imported than the competition and that is inventor.
In my opinion you die with inventor you don't, I would recommend you stay on ptc for this.
all this speech is the basis of the size of professionalism that you want to give to your work. if you want to give a professional and reliable service you must:
know the instrument well
have someone who helps you when you reach your limit (assistance)
have someone who answers you to solve software or bug limitations (assistance)
have adequate, reliable and performing hardware.
to achieve these goals there is to invest, there is no bit. you need an entrepreneurial reasoning at the base, that is, you calculate business costs according to your professionalism, organization and your tools and then you extract a cost now. If this cost is in the market and you have customers who can afford to pay you well, otherwise you have to quit.
the problem I often see is that the market is ruined by people who work with illegal software and makes costs proportional to their way of working.
You have to go out of the hole and have the courage to denounce these cases to save a proper level of hourly cost, the omerity leads to the death of the healthy market.
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Parametric_Ozzy
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This unfortunately is the worst evil and I can only quote you in full.
Tequila
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I agree too
The_Matrix
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Lol. .
I fell from the chair...
I was afraid I was the only one who didn't understand a hoop.
Anyway... I know my r&d very well.
thousands of people work there, some of whom are very qualified.
and I know very well my post-sale division siemens plm here in Italy: we work in 80 engineers.
the concept of "gratis" cannot exist in the face of needs such as those that place us (competence, availability, speed...).
mackly46
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You're so cute, what's not that we have to pity someone here, you want to wake up or don't know, what you say, I don't see them maybe try to read what you've quoted, then here's still how moderate the buds are, right? At the end of the hobbies there are so many, there's no need to be here writing if you're not convinced, right? So... it was a pleasure if you don't feel like reading! But it's really understandable as I said in middle school. !
mackly46
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Thank you very much fulvio, great I see that we have understood in flight!:finger:
cacciatorino
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Look, I think about it exactly like marcof, and I actually didn't want to answer because I didn't want to make the effort to interpret your writing and give it a logical sense.
two recommendations:
1) What other forum members do not their free time is not a business that concerns you
2) try to write your contributions in a more comprehensible form, to re-read them before posting them, which are so limited to readability.
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