company sold. what kind of employee ownership is it?

[haga78]

Hello, Haga.
I hope the situation is resolved as soon as possible.

Meanwhile, did you try to see around if you find an alternative? Is there anything else on your side?

are already a couple of years that I send cv around here in the area, but unfortunately without outcome.
In these days, however, a possibility is expected. the problem is that this company is located about 100 km from where I live, so doing the commuter would be a bit massacred, taking home and moving (making the weekend commuter) is a little to the limit. In both cases I should compare with the costs that would result in it and the pay that could be offered to me.
but in my head an idea: open game iva and propose a collaboration. In this way I could realize the dream of putting myself in my own, having the shoulders covered (the owners of this company are serious people, the word of those who know them for years) without the obligation of having to travel every day (e.g. I go 2 or 3 days a week, the rest I could work at home) and they would not have the burden of an employee.
I have a property apartment in which to get the studio, at least for the beginning.
but everything is still to see.

I feel like trying, even because I have neither debt nor family to feed. That's also what makes me feel pretty quiet in this fringe, even with negative results from my current work situation.

 

[haga78]

careful because such a situation I lived it years ago with a client company that before failing had opened another company obviously based in the same building, in particular from what I know it had benefited from the possibility of renting a branch of company. basically the company x (indebted to the neck) rented the activity (including machinery and stable) to the new company y (open for the occasion). Well in the specific case the new company y has come forward again for a year and a half with the usual solfa (do not pay suppliers etc). at the time when the failed judge decreed the failure of the parent company x of course also y closed (not having any instrumental good to continue). of what the company owes me x not even the shadow (it has passed almost 10 years).

Also in my case the new birth has the same address as the old one (indebted), but I do not know if there are rent agreements.

 

[haga78]

Hello, haga.
made the appropriate rite avoidances, from the information you give us, as I anticipated in August, it is for me to review a movie already seen of which I do not advance the final, but you will have understood how it ended. of course also in our case a new company was created that with the "method" (poor rent) of company branch continued for a year the activity to accommodate the things to the new owner.
However if you can console yourself I am currently working for a company born, just before the end of the old company, from the will of a former colleague who has gathered around if some strategic figures to continue the same production in a smaller, flexible and economic structure. and... as the wise says, not all evil comes to harm.
In your case have you considered this hypothesis?

the final of the film you have already unveiled me before.. .

yours would be a good solution in case there were really strategic figures, but you have to know that we have come to the current situation starting from a diametrically opposite situation (we were among the leaders of the sector at international level in Europe) a little for the crisis but especially for the actions of incapable and arrogant managers and responsible to which the company has been entrusted in recent years.
all valid people have gone away (even time ago, before the crisis), today are only those who "come to do the 8 hours" and the ruling class I mentioned before.

 

[PierArg]

just to get an idea of the size of the situation, how many employees did your company during its "golden times"?

the fact that the company was starting to a phase of "decline" was perceived or was it a lightning bolt?

 

[haga78]

just to get an idea of the size of the situation, how many employees did your company during its "golden times"?

the fact that the company was starting to a phase of "decline" was perceived or was it a lightning bolt?

we were in 70 (all, production + jobs), two years ago they sent 15 on the move and now we are 55.

the decline of the company has been slow and continuous for 5 years to this part, but still clearly perceptible.

 

[haga78]

I resume this discussion to update it.
from what I know next month the court should decide about the outcome of the agreement, let's see how it will end.

in the meantime last month we have acquired several orders that make us hopefully hope from the working point of view, but also in order to start and complete a commission it takes money, since customers do not pay everything to the order and instead we are forced to do so often towards our suppliers (considering the unsolved ones that we have towards them).

therefore the risk is to have acquired work, but not to have sufficient liquidity.

perhaps just for this reason today a “strange” fact has happened: we have been delivered the pay envelope showing the full amount of pay, but in reality we have only been credited with part of that figure.

first of all it is the first time that happens (until last month we perceived the whole salary).

the thing that leaves me perplexed is that no official communication has been made, but I was only told verbally (and very quickly) by the manager of the office to which I belong, who added that the missing part will arrive at the end of the month.

Now my doubt is: should I formally notify the incongruence in administration?

I could also do so by means of an internal e-mail (without resorting to recommended) addressed to people in the administrative office of the company.

I don’t want to generate controversy or anything, considering that it’s the first time that happens, but I don’t know if it’s admissible to receive the envelope with one digit and the transfer of another, without any other additional communication.

and more I would like to leave track of the thing also in view of a possible litigation future (which, however, hopes not to happen).

 

[Fulvio Romano]

I would wait for the end of the month. the pay envelope and the account extract are two official documents, to what use to add a third, whether it is mail or recommended?

 

[stevie]

I resume this discussion to update it.
from what I know next month the court should decide about the outcome of the agreement, let's see how it will end.

in the meantime last month we have acquired several orders that make us hopefully hope from the working point of view, but also in order to start and complete a commission it takes money, since customers do not pay everything to the order and instead we are forced to do so often towards our suppliers (considering the unsolved ones that we have towards them).

therefore the risk is to have acquired work, but not to have sufficient liquidity.

perhaps just for this reason today a “strange” fact has happened: we have been delivered the pay envelope showing the full amount of pay, but in reality we have only been credited with part of that figure.

first of all it is the first time that happens (until last month we perceived the whole salary).

the thing that leaves me perplexed is that no official communication has been made, but I was only told verbally (and very quickly) by the manager of the office to which I belong, who added that the missing part will arrive at the end of the month.

Now my doubt is: should I formally notify the incongruence in administration?

I could also do so by means of an internal e-mail (without resorting to recommended) addressed to people in the administrative office of the company.

I don’t want to generate controversy or anything, considering that it’s the first time that happens, but I don’t know if it’s admissible to receive the envelope with one digit and the transfer of another, without any other additional communication.

and more I would like to leave track of the thing also in view of a possible litigation future (which, however, hopes not to happen).

your company from what I see is in liquidity crisis, I think it is superfluous to send a written communication in which you note that the transfer does not correspond to the amount of the envelope because both are recorded and traceable documents

 

[DANI-3D]

... we have been delivered the pay envelope showing the full amount of pay, but in reality we have only been credited with part of that figure. .

Hi.
very strange, usually the pay envelope is delivered at the time of the salary balance, in your case, that I know, the company could be denounced for scam.
For the rest, it doesn't matter that you make other moves. but the unions they say?

 

[stevie]

Hi.
very strange, usually the pay envelope is delivered at the time of the salary balance, in your case, that I know, the company could be denounced for scam.
For the rest, it doesn't matter that you make other moves. but the unions they say?

but if in cash there is not all money to pay all full salaries there is not much to do, the only solution is to wait end of month and see how the situation evolves

 

[haga78]

I would wait for the end of the month. the pay envelope and the account extract are two official documents, to what use to add a third, whether it is mail or recommended?

your company from what I see is in liquidity crisis, I think it is superfluous to send a written communication in which you note that the transfer does not correspond to the amount of the envelope because both are recorded and traceable documents

in fact rethinking we have not sent any communication, we wait and see what will happen.

 

[haga78]

Hi.
very strange, usually the pay envelope is delivered at the time of the salary balance, in your case, that I know, the company could be denounced for scam.
For the rest, it doesn't matter that you make other moves. but the unions they say?

the unions?
Let us forget, after what they have (or not have) combined when some employees have been put on the move I have had confirmation that they only do their interests (and even those of the members).
yesterday I had confirmation of this: there was a meeting between trade union representatives and administrator. The latter, very cleverly, has made them believe that they cannot move a euro according to the iter of the agreed, and that for this reason neither the new property sub-entry from a few months can recapitulate the company.
sin that at present was made a request for agreement, but still is not approved (the court still does not issue the sentence, we are still in its "technical cases"). Moreover a short time ago corporate assets were sold (automezzos), which were definitely included at the time of the request agreed in the inventory (with which the court determines the liquidity that could generate the bankruptcy of the company). i.e. I can subtract goods to the company, but can't I add money to his cases? and these things those who attended the meeting knew about them, since they are employees.
in essence therefore the encounter turned out to be a bubble of soap.

 

[DANI-3D]

the unions?
Let's forget it.

I mentioned the unions only for the problem of the pay envelope. For the rest... rightly, let's forget. If the level is comparable to those in my area have neither strength, nor capacity, nor interest in managing such a thing. They usually point their feet and "slot" to get social shocks, and make them pass as a great conquest.

 

[numero1]

I mentioned the unions only for the problem of the pay envelope. For the rest... rightly, let's forget. If the level is comparable to those in my area have neither strength, nor capacity, nor interest in managing such a thing. They usually point their feet and "slot" to get social shocks, and make them pass as a great conquest.

mah ......... you could also say that with the times that social shock absorbers are already an important milestone, however for me I had to deal with 2 times with the unions (2 failures always as an employee), and not in years of crisis.
The first didn't go well, the second yes and a lot, as I've already had a chance to say again here on the forum.
I have always been enrolled and now I intend to renew the card, returning to Haga 78 I tell him he did well!
even if they can't get anything of nothing you can always say that nothing has been left intent.
Hi, I'm close to you.

 

[DANI-3D]

mah...... you could also say that with the times that social shock absorbers are already an important milestone

for me should be the last beach, just when there are no more hopes, not the main goal to reach at any cost. I have had colleagues, especially the most vagrants, who have been declared exodus and with 3 years of mobility added to others of pre-retirement have retired to 44 years with all honors and full satisfaction of the unions. However, by doing so, an army of pensioners was created impossible to support, see the furnace law. Why, I've always been busy and I haven't been lucky enough to be considered a diver I'll have to work 20 years to retire?

 

[numero1]

for me should be the last beach, just when there are no more hopes, not the main goal to reach at any cost. I have had colleagues, especially the most vagrants, who have been declared exodus and with 3 years of mobility added to others of pre-retirement have retired to 44 years with all honors and full satisfaction of the unions. However, by doing so, an army of pensioners was created impossible to support, see the furnace law. Why, I've always been busy and I haven't been lucky enough to be considered a diver I'll have to work 20 years to retire?

Of course they should be the last beach, but every case (law company) almost makes history to itself.
from what I could understand. today as today if haga and partners manage to bring home some form of bearing is fat that cola
As far as I'm concerned, I don't know vagrant colleagues in companies where I've worked and worked, and I've never seen anyone retire at 44 years.
on the "retired army" would be made a 3ad apart, and for various reasons.
I can tell you that I at my tender age almost 5......... I'm not exuberant, but precarious is... You do.
greetings

 

[haga78]

for me should be the last beach, just when there are no more hopes, not the main goal to reach at any cost. I have had colleagues, especially the most vagrants, who have been declared exodus and with 3 years of mobility added to others of pre-retirement have retired to 44 years with all honors and full satisfaction of the unions. However, by doing so, an army of pensioners was created impossible to support, see the furnace law. Why, I've always been busy and I haven't been lucky enough to be considered a diver I'll have to work 20 years to retire?

of the shock absorbers we are making use and abuse (fall integration continuously + a mobility procedure a few years ago).
for me too should be the last beach, also because such instruments to the long tend to scare company and workers, losing their primary function of support.
time ago the organization of the integration fund had become the main problem of the executives, and even preferred it to the acquisition of orders.
for the worker it is true that it involves a reduction of the salary, but it is also true that he stays at home, and perhaps takes advantage of this time to do black work (also with competitors) and therefore paradoxically he gains more.

 

[DANI-3D]

... today as today if haga and partners manage to bring home some form of bearing is fat that cola

Surely, however it should not be the main goal to achieve, so as' is set today the integration case or mobility is loved by everyone because it allows you a minimum of salary and so much free time to do another job to black. I talk to you for personal experience a few years ago I took advantage of it for 6 months and I can tell you that I earned a lot of money, and I made the bizarre to regularize in part the thing doing occasional performance where I paid a tax relief. grave mistake.
I see it differently, of course to the point where we are impossible to achieve, but you can imagine if since the beginning half of the sodiums for social shock absorbers had been destined to research, development and detaxation of work how many jobs would we have created? Germany, Japan, etc.

... as far as I'm concerned, I don't know vagrant colleagues in companies where I've worked and worked. . .

too good to your colleagues, allow me to doubt a little.

I've never seen anyone retire at 44.

I do, and you do not know how much this makes me turn the p..., they are simply people who started working at 14 years, they worked for 30 years, and at 44 years they had the requirements to have 5 years of retirement and do 35 and until not so long ago they were enough. In addition, for the disorder, 50 million good exits, with which my former colleague bought an ice cream shop, headed to his wife, of course, not to lose the rights conquered with "heavy fights".

... on the "retired army" would be made a 3ad apart, and for various reasons.

Surely they'll come out of the good ones.

... but precarious yes...

and who is not

 

[DANI-3D]

of the shock absorbers we are making use and abuse (fall integration continuously + a mobility procedure a few years ago).
for me too should be the last beach, also because such instruments to the long tend to scare company and workers, losing their primary function of support.
time ago the organization of the integration fund had become the main problem of the executives, and even preferred it to the acquisition of orders.
for the worker it is true that it involves a reduction of the salary, but it is also true that he stays at home, and perhaps takes advantage of this time to do black work (also with competitors) and therefore paradoxically he gains more.

as you wanted to prove!

 

[numero1]

Surely, however it should not be the main goal to achieve, so as' is set today the integration case or mobility is loved by everyone because it allows you a minimum of salary and so much free time to do another job to black. I talk to you for personal experience a few years ago I took advantage of it for 6 months and I can tell you that I earned a lot of money, and I made the bizarre to regularize in part the thing doing occasional performance where I paid a tax relief. grave mistake.
I see it differently, of course to the point where we are impossible to achieve, but you can imagine if since the beginning half of the sodiums for social shock absorbers had been destined to research, development and detaxation of work how many jobs would we have created? Germany, Japan, etc.

that to allocate part of the money for the shock absorbers to research and development could be a great idea, as far as I was concerned, when I was in cash I was in cash.
No work, no black or white or pink.
free not to believe it if you want.

too good to your colleagues, allow me to doubt a little.

No, I don't let you do that. I repeat, personally, I still have to see a vagrant colleague.
If then by wandering you mean one who turned four or five companies then yes, I myself have been and maybe I will be in the future.

I do, and you do not know how much this makes me turn the p..., they are simply people who started working at 14 years, they worked for 30 years, and at 44 years they had the requirements to have 5 years of retirement and do 35 and until not so long ago they were enough. In addition, for the disorder, 50 million good exits, with which my former colleague bought an ice cream shop, headed to his wife, of course, not to lose the rights conquered with "heavy fights".

It's a typical example that I myself had a chance to see, even if never so young (44 years)

Surely they'll come out of the good ones.

absolutely agree, I myself have to deal with a pensioner I know everything Right now, you know how much I'd like to tell him what I really think?
but I can't because he's the client's consultant.

and who is not

Oh, no, there's no precarious ones if that's it.
Hi.