subscribers to the albi, no longer need the p.iva

[cacciatorino]

to read this article:
www.centrostudicni.it/primo-piano/1...po-e-compenso-e-non-obligation-di-partita-ivaIt seems that subscribers to the albi will be able to issue occasional invoices without more time limits and annual turnover, without which qusto involves the opening of a VAT game. It's an interesting news especially for those who work as an employee and "arrotonda" with some extra work.

 

[Cristallo]

and to think that to me, in the process of registration at the beginning, they asked the opening of the p.iva as a condicio sine qua non.
but it was other times.

 

[Legs]

@cristallo
attention: the speech is valid only for employees who want to perform occasional performances where it is risky enrollment to an albo.
to remember that if the amount on the single job exceeds 5000 euros then clicks the request for match and registration to the separate management inps (there is no limit to the number of jobs).
If you are free professional, enrolled in the engineers' lobby and have no other form of security then you have the obligation to sign up for an arch even today, even with this provision.

the measure itself is the usual legislative shit. I cannot understand this inability to assess the functioning of the labour market. I hope it gets abolished as soon as possible. At least it is not renewed next year.
I am already pressing (as much as possible) with my order so that you can bring your protest to this sleeve of clowns.
However, it must be remembered that this sleeve of clowns is also the one that introduced the useless system of points and the relevant market of courses. It follows that little can be done.

 

[cacciatorino]

However, it must be remembered that this sleeve of clowns is also the one that introduced the useless system of points and the relevant market of courses. It follows that little can be done.

I'm sorry what's the point thing? It is true that I never read the newsletter of my order, because they only talk about tondini and cement, but I never heard of it. .

 

[Cristallo]

@cacciatorino
points = continuing training... training credits

@legs
By reading the article, I realized that there are no limits of amount. This implies that you are (formally) dependent on someone and perceive an annual salary of say 8000€. then you only do one performance a year, from 30,000€.
Without prejudice to the inps payment to the separate management, you are not subject to the minili contributions and the share to the customer's cargo. . .
I didn't mean that. I said that to mm, for the release of the seal, they asked a priori the certificate of registration to the case and the certificate of opening of the p.iva.

 

[cacciatorino]

@cacciatorino
points = continuing training... training credits

Okay, I'll answer the question.

What if I don't want to train and acquire these credits (I already work a lot and in my spare time I'd rather do more....)?

 

[Cristallo]

What if I don't want to train and acquire these credits (I already work a lot and in my spare time I'd rather do more....)?

that (theoretically) first your albo makes you an earmark, inviting you to "repair in September", then later if you do not recover, you fail (read suspension/cancellation of the albo)

 

[cacciatorino]

that (theoretically) first your albo makes you an earmark, inviting you to "repair in September", then later if you do not recover, you fail (read suspension/cancellation of the albo)

We only missed this....

we hope that these residuals of the corporate economy will be erased sooner or later!

 

[Legs]

@cristallo
Yes, there are no limits on the global figure.
try to take a look at this article:http://www.centrostudicni.it/primo-...mpo-e-compenso-e-senza-obbligo-di-partita-ivathe limit of 5000 on the single performance that must however have character of episodes.

@cacciatorino
the engineers who carry out professional activities for which registration is required to the professional register must follow training courses. every year 30 points are removed (part with 60 default). when reaching zero it is no longer possible to perform professional performance (in practice it means where the signature is required).
15 points per year can be obtained according to the course of your professional activity (you must fill out a questionnaire) while for others you must follow courses recognized by the cni. on professional order sites find lists of courses organized. at regime one should do courses for at least 15 points a year since the other 15 should recognize them according to your work.
If you go to zero you can't sign.
These rules apply to all engineers. If you have to sign a structural project and do not have the necessary points then you realize a disciplinary offense. the real risk is that your work may not be considered in order and cancel the contract between you and your client. In this case you give him a damage and you have to pay in your pocket. You don't save yourself and you don't even get professional insurance.
so eye.

 

[cacciatorino]

These rules apply to all engineers. If you have to sign a structural project and do not have the necessary points then you realize a disciplinary offense. the real risk is that your work may not be considered in order and cancel the contract between you and your client. In this case you give him a damage and you have to pay in your pocket. You don't save yourself and you don't even get professional insurance.
so eye.

generally my customers never ask for signature, as they are they that interface with the end user and therefore take the risk of certification.

That said, I'll try to collect information from my order, which this morning sent me an email in which he says that I can also self-certificate these credits, but I have to go well to see the reference documentation:
http://www.feding.marche.it/redazio...-all8-febbraio-e-gratuita-della-compilazione/

 

[PierArg]

I am increasingly convinced that the history of training credits is a kind of legalized "pizzo"

 

[meccanicamg]

I am increasingly convinced that the history of training credits is a kind of legalized "pizzo"

like all the corporations, like all the lobby, like all the things managed by the Italian state you pay, crap, excise useless, credits etc and just pay to be in order because stupidly we Italians if we do not want to do our duty by doing training we can get paid by paying us what is missing.
Shame!

 

[Cristallo]

Mah. .
as usual the intentions (of the legislator) are good, is the practice (which then is linked to the individual people) that becomes poor.

that gives me 4 training credits ( 40% of my annual quota) to go to follow a conference on the termography, where we talk about termography, but it is organized by flir that attempts to propinate the thermocamere (4/5k€ of room), minimizing that the temperature detection depends on the material, the equal finishing of material, the light conditions at the same time as material and finishing. . .
In short, a theory that I personally believe is based on nothing confided by the void. .

What's the point of giving me four credits? to push me into the thermographic field?

 

[Erikilrosso]

Most of the up-to-date training in many cases are sponsored by private companies, which thus save money to orders always green. the update, in many cases, leads to the release of a certificate that can be used as proof of the "specialization" in a certain field, forming a professional title. our order, using European contributions, is beginning a course of 80 hours on the architectural restoration held by university specialized in the field, with activities also of yard. a diploma will be issued at the end. In this way I think that the update serves, especially for young people, much more than the points taken by going to a conference on sulphate profit rather than perborate. The most striking thing, however, of the famous professional reform is that, in the drafting of the curricula, everything has been done in the career of a professional cannot be used, limiting it to the last 5/10 years depending on the case. the orders, usually have the hands tied by the parliamentary lobby, managed by political currents. see also the last law on public works: hundreds of articles between law and regulation, which sometimes contradict themselves. in chaos someone slumps us and earns us also.... .

 

[numero1]

I am increasingly convinced that the history of training credits is a kind of legalized "pizzo"

I'm thinking about it myself... at least the credit history should be done better to be considered better.

the orders, usually have the hands tied by the parliamentary lobby, managed by political currents.

I'm starting to believe it's the opposite, are orders doing lobbying or not?

 

[PierArg]

...
I'm starting to believe it's the opposite, are orders doing lobbying or not?

Look, I wanted to write the same thing last week.

Then I kept myself

 

[cacciatorino]

Look, I wanted to write the same thing last week.

Then I kept myself

only serve and exclusively to that, i.e. to protect the garden of the house, when instead the main reason of their existence would be to ensure the quality of the work provided by the members.

years ago I read the newspaper of the order and the only sanctified colleagues were those who had worked out tariffs or signed plans of geometries " thus reducing the prestige of the category". never once a colleague who worked with his feet was sanctioned, and it's not like they miss the cases.

 

[Erikilrosso]

Once a colleague who worked with his feet was sanctioned, and it's not like they miss the cases.[/QUOTE]It is not that it is easy to implement: in order to act the order must receive a complaint from a public or private client otherwise it is found with the hands tied. You think that you cannot give an opinion even on the many cows that pass through the building commissions while having, many times, a representative in committee. Nor does the commission normally express an opinion on the architectural quality of the project, when at least many colleagues should be called (sic!) for what they do.
I must recognize that the usefulness of orders has decreased in recent 25 years, so much so that they are almost obsolete. However, I am still the only organization of coordination of our professional categories the various national councils, despite sometimes I would have eliminated them immediately, serve as a guard against the overflow of government institutions and various engeenering societies that would want to eliminate the individual professional. and began to do it by taking down, also work from 4/5000 €. certain that even in the presidents and councillors orders sometimes they break us (think about an order with 3000 members) but for now, there is no other solution. However, if someone is aware of cows made by a colleague, vacated duly and substantially tried however, they can always turn to the discipline council of their order.

 

[cacciatorino]

the various national councils, despite sometimes I would have eliminated them immediately, serve as a paradox against the overflow of government institutions and various engeenering societies that would want to eliminate the individual professional. and began to do it by taking down, also work from 4/5000 €. certain that even in the presidents and councillors orders sometimes they break us (think about an order with 3000 members) but for now, there is no other solution.

in my field engineering companies have always existed: what is a technical study with ten employees if not this? that then the owner is a member of the order or a shareholder of capital I do not think it changes much for practical purposes.

Sincerely I am strongly opposed to limiting competition by law, because ultimately what you get is to protect mediocre and level down. There is also to think that the cost of design is a small part of the cost of the work, so for the client I think that saving 20% on the cost of design is of limited importance.

Then I'm not sure that the engineering company has lower costs than the professional enrolled in the atbo so much that we can put it out of the market, but maybe I'm wrong, unless we talk about society with designers india or china but we face another class of problems.

 

[PierArg]

in my field engineering companies have always existed: what is a technical study with ten employees if not this? that then the owner is a member of the order or a shareholder of capital I do not think it changes much for practical purposes.

Hi hunting,

I thought it was mandatory that at least the legal representative of the company was enrolled in the register.

We make an example "civil" that compared to "mechanical" is easier interpretation.

Suppose we have to make the living line at the roof of the house. Do I have to address myself only and exclusively to a qualified engineer enrolled in the order or can I also address an engineering company?
of course it is a capital company so that it can enjoy legal personality.

I know that the example is stupid but I hope at least make the idea.