what if the boss doesn't pay? ?

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

Hello, everyone.
after a long time spent watching the forum, now I become active part with this question.
work in a small company as a designer/designer.
I'm an apprentice.
I'm the only employee and my superior doesn't have a technical training, I'm sure, for my work, I have to develop everything.
We come to the facts.
the boss has to give me 8 monthly, he just delivered me the full pay envelopes.
Now he wants to hire another designer and put this new resource on me.
then,he did not talk about contractual adjustment, immediate refund of all remaining pay envelopes.
I was thinking about leaving, because I got a better offer.
It made me clearly understand that if I go away,nonc is tripping for cats,while if I stay there, I will receive the money "one day,just sell these other machines".
according to you, how can I take back the money that awaits me? ?
Greetings, people.

 

[MBT]

Hello, everyone.
after a long time spent watching the forum, now I become active part with this question.
work in a small company as a designer/designer.
I'm an apprentice.
I'm the only employee and my superior doesn't have a technical training, I'm sure, for my work, I have to develop everything.
We come to the facts.
the boss has to give me 8 monthly, he just delivered me the full pay envelopes.
Now he wants to hire another designer and put this new resource on me.
then,he did not talk about contractual adjustment, immediate refund of all remaining pay envelopes.
I was thinking about leaving, because I got a better offer.
It made me clearly understand that if I go away,nonc is tripping for cats,while if I stay there, I will receive the money "one day,just sell these other machines".
according to you, how can I take back the money that awaits me? ?
Greetings, people.

Meanwhile consult a lawyer
you will probably have to submit adequate documentation to proof of this
make sure that the envelope pays, if you signed it, is signed for "acceptance" and not for "quiet"
If you sign for "quiet" means you accept what you have been granted, not just what you wrote.
However, the threat of not receiving money is resible. in the sense that in extreme cases it is also possible to put in bite and relative laziness of materials and means to pay the backward salaries.

 

[re_solidworks]

I'd go now and go to a lawyer to get the money back. 8 months back are many, too many.. .

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

thanks to both for the answer.
in fact it is many months.
then,the question pay envelopes is ambiguous.
in practice he only gives me the envelope pays once paid.
I mean, I haven't seen the pay envelope in January, February, March, April. .
I was from the unions and they had advised me to present the resignations for just cause, but it was not guaranteed the recovery of 100% of my monthly.
for the record the boss is one of the usual doing things too easy and takes responsibility many times on others and not on themselves.

 

[SHIREN]

I'd go now and go to a lawyer to get the money back. 8 months back are many, too many.. .

Hello, King......
:4406::36_6_10::36_1_11:

for money no prob.
must be traceable
or monthly payments must be credited to cards or bank transfers
if you have not done this
you have not been paid
Thank you very much

 

[sampom]

...but how many ass faces (forgive Frenchism) are still around? and wants to hire another ... send it to us, and run. more reason you found more. Of course, the inspectorate has a duty

 

[meccanicamg]

strange that with the crisis... a guy like your boss didn't fail... you see he had a few spares to camp. . .

 

[gil]

the whole sums up in: “... I received a better offer. ”

What are you doing there?

I would go “in fairs”, so much you don’t pay. 8 months when you recover them? I'd use the "lows" to secure a place for the other company. Then I would quit the current company, with immediate effect. If you're an apprentice, maybe you don't need your notice, at the most, you lose 1 month of the 8 that you have to pay.

The unions don't serve a bat, nothing. go to a lawyer who will ask for payment of arrears. but if the company fails it will be a long enough cause.

it would be different if the boss was a person worthy of trust, with whom you had a good relationship for many years, even if it is now in a period of difficulty. But I don't think your case.

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

@gil: in fact the idea of the holidays is not bad and in fact those of August I prolonged them of a week.
But I do not know the amount of the holidays, since the boss refuses to deliver the unsecured pay envelopes.
I mean, he told me he's gonna give it to me when we're even with the debt.
Does the unions really not serve a bat? I wonder why they seemed "reliable" to me and were advised by the job consultant.
the unions told me to resign with fair cause, therefore it does not need notice and indeed, the period of notice must be paid to me by the company, and moreover, what resignations for just cause I could access unemployment.
for the speech trust, I believe little.I started working for him in April 2013, but the contract started in June 2013, promised the money missing in cash by the end of 2013, but here, they never arrived.the history of backward salaries began in January 2014,and from there,the oblivion.
@sampom: For precision he wants to hire a little girl out of the tops just..chissa as never.
@meccanicamg: opened the company in 2012, before it had taken a sabbatical period. has always stated that the crisis serves to purge companies that are not well and make selection. The speech actually stinks me.


at the end.if I go to the unions and I quit for just cause,I turn on unemployment and I have a secure bearing waiting to enter the new company.
But the remaining months? They told me that they're going to bite him, until they reach an agreement, and I'm probably going to be compensated for 80% of the value of my credit.
If you do not accept the agreement, then they will proceed until bankruptcy, and in that case, to 100% I will take the last three monthly and the tfr paid by inps, but for the remaining credit, you will have to see the value of the lazy goods, always hoping that you do not make some change of property with lender.
the situation is very ruthless, even because I am 23 years old and to be with missing money and weighing on the shoulders of the parents is psychologically wearable.
Has anyone had experiences with the lawyer? how long is the cause? ?
thanks for the support colleagues.

 

[ninfh]

If I don't pay any bills I know the practice is this.

- You can quit for the right cause and leave without notice if you're not paid any contract
- If you want, you can make a bite, but sincerely you need a little bit.
- submit to the territorial direction of work with the paperwork of the case (usually the contract is enough)
- A first date of meeting will be set to see that payment agreements are made.
- if the company doesn't show up the thing goes on and there are investigations, and you usually see to make a monocratic reconciliation
- if even with that nothing, there is only one instance of failure.


If you don't want to follow this... first go to the unions to inform them of the thing and make you a delegation that then you will take to the territorial direction of the job when you introduce yourself to start the whole)


(Note: don't sign pay envelopes for quietness is good practice)


strangely while being in Italy, if the company presents itself at the first or second meeting the times are not particularly long we talk of a few months, certainly then nothing prohibits the company not to pay even if there was an agreement (the agreements usually divide the number in tot rate monthly)


8 missing monthly for an employee is an heresy, honestly I wonder what you still do there......... 1-2-3 months one can also be really forced to not pay if the company has problems, only if first one talks to the employee and we meet humanly.

 

[ninfh]

Has anyone had experiences with the lawyer? how long is the cause? ?

Actually, you don't need a lawyer or a trade union if you show up at the dlp, throw away half a day to stay in the queue, and then the thing goes on can or may not on its own.

 

[gil]

Fortunately I never had to deal with the union, but the people I know and turned to them, eventually they had to take a lawyer (as well as pay the mayor's card). so they were quite useless, at least in individual cases with few employees involved.

for example to ask for the company's failure and a crazy cabbage. no judge will grant the bankruptcy of an enterprise for a debt of some monthly with an employee.

“Is that the remaining months? ? “
It's likely that you fire yourself first, the less the unpaid months.

“I don’t know the amount of holidays... “
but you care if you have them or not. the holidays is an excuse, not to go to work, while you think about it and how it will probably happen, fill in the letter of dismissal and run from the other firm that could hire you.

 

[ninfh]

a curiosity, how come to pay a lawyer for similar things when there are labor inspectors?

The only advantage of a union is that they show up together with the inspectorate to the meetings if you make a delegation, giving the worker the opportunity to never have to see in the face who did not pay you (faith and pressure do not little, without counting the scrotal moment caused by these situations)

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

@ninfh:right,you just hit in full.
I don't want to see it in my face anymore, also considering that stress caused me stomach and headache not recently.
we are at the limit of mobbing, but here, being the only employee is hardly demonstrable.
I think I try with the unions (the cost of the card I consider it "an investment").
do you think you can appeal to the quality of work?
I learned that with some suppliers who asked for payment, he challenged the job to not pay.
has accepted modifications (due to the present machinery(an example bending machine to maximum 3 mm, when drawing there was written 4 mm) and then challenged.
I have always worked to the maximum available (work on a workstation with win xp and without dedicated graphics card), but now I no longer know what to think.

 

[nicksoft]

has always stated that the crisis serves to purge companies that are not well and make selection.

Run away from a character like that. He doesn't pay an employee and he thinks he's gonna hire another one, not even pay for that?
you have the "luck" to be still at your house if I understand well and you can absorb the barrel a little better, wishing you to recover all past salaries.
Good luck!

 

[ninfh]

@ninfh:right,you just hit in full.
I don't want to see it in my face anymore, also considering that stress caused me stomach and headache not recently.
we are at the limit of mobbing, but here, being the only employee is hardly demonstrable.
I think I try with the unions (the cost of the card I consider it "an investment").

If I don't remember the bad trade unions also agree to be paid with a tot of what you can get, the card is avoidable by talking to us

can you appeal to the quality of work?

no, as an employee if you are not paid you are morally and legally essentially a priori

I learned that with some suppliers who asked for payment, he challenged the job to not pay.
has accepted modifications (due to the present machinery(an example bending machine to maximum 3 mm, when drawing there was written 4 mm) and then challenged.

often there are those who contest the supply because uran was in astral conjunction with franc, or simply decide not to pay and in Italy the practice is long if you decide to go of legal ways and is often only a further loss of money and time

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Perhaps it is also worth informing if you have fulfilled the obligations towards your position as an apprentice.
if he gave you training, if he respected the bureaucratic process so at the end of the appreciative you are in order to be hired as a qualified employee in your current work position, what are your responsibilities on the work carried out... I think you should make a visit to the inps because the contributions should be paid otherwise a job inspectorate report seems to me the least and I don't think it would get out of it.
qui on the site of inps on the apprenticeship

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

@massi: well, he made me sign some sheets which were real writings transferred to suppliers, but the amount of hours did not cover absolutely the minimum necessary for the apprenticeship.
the complaint to the rato aspect of the job will be made, since it does not give me the payrolls. .

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

If I don't remember the bad trade unions also agree to be paid with a tot of what you can get, the card is avoidable by talking to us

They make me pay 50€, you know, you want to stay "pulished," that is, without trade union labels?

 

[ninfh]

I would first need to get a flamethrower.

to me it happened to have to turn to the dlp a little years ago for wages not paid but without passing by the unions; The first meeting didn't show up any of the company while the second was.
we agreed for 5 monthly installments, the first two all well, the last 3 became 6 in sound of "cordialissime" phone calls and a few weekends dedicated to entertaining substantial conversations with the visitors of the 3 bars present in the village of residence of the owner.