what if the boss doesn't pay? ?

[ROAR]

...... .
Does the unions really not serve a bat? I wonder why they seemed "reliable" to me and were advised by the job consultant..................... .

They need to serve and frighten people like that, something like this happened years ago, my boss told me that with the contract we were cleaning the.... then after the trade union's recommendation he calls me all carp and he does me if I wanted to go back, who joked etc, I agreed to the sum due just over half and the union lawyer paid him, so all free

 

[MBT]

He would come back with a dripping nose even after a letter from a lawyer.
the unions, by my experience, are good when the employees are united and are afraid to expose themselves to the small entrepreneur
in front of a large company... especially in times of crisis serve only to see new positions with pants dropped!

 

[Fulvio Romano]

I had a single experience with the unions, to have a part of salary that the company denied.

They basically told me to sign up for the union, pay the.retta, and then find other people to make a class action, then they would think about them.

I answered him: "Well, am I writing it? I'll put the stamp and send it? "

in this phase the union only interests to make group to increase of.visibility. for you they'll never do anything.
The only advantage is the advice they give, because they are often prepared, but you take the advice and then send them forward alone with a lawyer.

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

I had a single experience with the unions, to have a part of salary that the company denied.

They basically told me to sign up for the union, pay the.retta, and then find other people to make a class action, then they would think about them.

to me instead have made a different speech, i.e. the speech card was not very oppressive, indeed, the type in charge seemed available to me.
I'm the only employee.
I have a new interview with the other company.
We will see and in case I send to the country the saying "never vein nor mars we start, we leave".
done is,I have to find the way to recover the money,all and spending little(nothings)(utopia).

 

[ninfh]

If the speech is not to pull out a penny, I repeat, you don't need a lawyer or a union... there is the territorial direction of work with the inspectors, who then are the same who will really follow the thing is going to syndicates and lawyers.
We're in Italy and it sounds weird I know, but you don't need to pay

 

[tartufon80]

Hello, everyone!

I had a similar problem: Fortunately only two unpaid monthlys, and I managed to change work immediately.
for the two monthly unpaid me and the others (quotas) turned to the unions, who attempted some agreement, punctually not respected by the company.
In the end, she settled after years and after failure, with a lawyer. but the amount I got was about 70 to 80 % of what I should have perceived at the time.

I agree, for my experience, with those who say that the unions pretend to stand up and fight, but in reality they do not move anything except some piece of paper equal to that toilet.

And I agree with who tells you you've been there too much. if you have this possibility do not hesitate, not always the trains go back.
You know what?
Good luck!

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

Hello, everyone!

I agree, for my experience, with those who say that the unions pretend to stand up and fight, but in reality they do not move anything except some piece of paper equal to that toilet.
And I agree with who tells you you've been there too much. if you have this possibility do not hesitate, not always the trains go back.
You know what?
Good luck!

Thanks for the "witness." We hope to hurry it in quite reasonable times, but I doubt it.
I read that things like the "meaning" is a very blatant measure.
the fact of leaving it in the m...a is automatic.
If the only designer goes away, then who sends the stuff into production?

If the speech is not to pull out a penny, I repeat, you don't need a lawyer or a union... there is the territorial direction of work with the inspectors, who then are the same who will really follow the thing is going to syndicates and lawyers.
We're in Italy and it sounds weird I know, but you don't need to pay

Now the procedure is much clearer, thank you very much!
but then those of the territorial direction of work will write to me also the letter of resignation and subsequent death?

 

[ninfh]

that I know the resignations for just cause they do as normal dimisis by recommended, but sincerely on this I have no idea if any law has changed.

ummm I was writing a papocchio with standard practice but I am lazy and google ago

http://www.pmi.it/impresa/normativa...non-pagati-tutele-diritti-dei-lavoratori.htmlin the link above there is the legal tyrarier written in Italian and not that incomprehensible junk of the legal language.



the morain in practice is the equivalent of telling the company "bad and bad outfits!", the same thing as the 200€ letters of lawyers but free
optional conciliation...... idem
monocratic conciliation is already a bit more "heavy" because it happens after investigations that can bring sanctions to the company.

until here the times are relatively short, if instead the company continues not to pay you enter the legal gynecrants and times dilating

 

[numero1]

Mah... personally, having passed through 2 bankruptcies of 2 firms in which I worked, + another very messed up situation I can speak with knowledge of cause.
Maybe I'm a little loser I have to tell you... .

and then I tell you that the unions need.

I have read positive and negative judgments, and the latter do not understand them exactly; it will be the personal experience of some users, I on my part can only testify about how much happened to me.

the worst one from the financial point of view was the first failure of 2002, which came to conclusion this year, and I was in similar conditions (but not equal) to that of funny, and I took about 25% of the due. :
because the company where I worked at the time was good under many points of view, but not the organizational one, and it was a massacre ....

the unions ask you, but do not force, to take the card; It is not a prohibitive cost, in + there is a percentage (low) on what you can take, that is on what they can get you.
the famous tot someone was talking about.

As far as I'm concerned, the lawyer put the union on it (always), and I didn't have to give him a penny, discards and what else they prepared it, I just had to read (good) and sign.

the second failure has been resolved within a few months, the unions intervened only pro form, but it must be said that the company owner was (and for me remains) a galant man.
In fact I (and not only I) took 100% of what came to me, it was 2003.

the last case, in order of time, was that of the "very messed up situation", in 2011, that it was also that + interesting from the point of view of chaos.
without falling into details (because it would be too long), the holder has put in place a dismissal of 10 people (almost all indeterminate), but jumping regulations and norms clearly in some cases.
He wanted, with 10 people less, to try to save the company (he said), and he had chosen 10 names (according to me foolishly).
Obviously with so many incaxxate people who turn almost all to a union the atmosphere became warm.
meetings with trade unionists individually and group, meetings at the seat of the confi of my city, inspectorate put in the middle etc. etc.
the company, had some problems, but we didn't know until what point, and it was a madness almost to peaceful cogs.
we have speculated that it was a move to disappear the rows of the enemy (i.e. we), and accept what he wanted us to sign (the owner).
but no one signed......

after about 1 month the unions told us a phrase like:
"look that the company does not intend to go back, is ready to go into question, and to drag it all long, long; What do you want to do? "

in practice if we wanted to go to war ok, we would have won, but the thing would have gone for who knows how long.
Alternatively, we were trying to resolve the issue as quickly as possible, accepting dismissal and a fair amount.
"for us the important thing is that it is a unanimous decision." the unions added, and so it was ......... and 6 months of negotiation began.
At the end, an agreement was reached and everything was over.

for the record the company still exists, but inside there is only the owner and a secretary.

This is my testimony.........

Anyway, I'm telling the funny thing to get out of there, plus you got another offer.

Hi.

 

[numero1]

for example to ask for the company's failure and a crazy cabbage. no judge will grant the bankruptcy of an enterprise for a debt of some monthly with an employee.

Yes, however, is what almost happened to me in 2002 but............... I was preceded.
even if it is right to point out that in addition to the debt to the employee there was that to the suppliers, and it was not something recently.

 

[numero1]

strange that with the crisis... a guy like your boss didn't fail... you see he had a few spares to camp. . .

It's the first thing I thought when I read the 3ad. :

 

[numero1]

the worst one from the financial point of view was the first failure of 2002, which came to conclusion this year, and I was in similar conditions (but not equal) to that of funny, and I took about the 25% Of the due. :
because the company where I worked at the time was good under many points of view, but not the organizational one, and it was a massacre ....

here I knew......... 45% sorry

 

[tartufon80]

hi number1, it is clear that we speak for personal experiences. and therefore opinions can be (but should not) very discordant on the "effectiveness" of the unions. :smile:

In any case, the situation of thefunnyguitarist seems quite clear to me, and I think we all agree on what to do!

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

number1,thanks to you for "witnessing."
my situation,as told by tartufon80,it is clear,but I add other details.
the boss pays me when he receives the money(but of course to me only come in little part), the rest sends it to pay new suppliers and materials, but obviously it has debts also to the suppliers.
But here we enter the speech that I, independent, are paid at hours and not proportionally to the things sold, because that is the "privilege" of the boss.
If I were paid in "percentage" I would be a holder or would be a worker paid at the end of the day.
the initial "good" began with the development of a new technology, in which he had underestimated the executive and economic difficulties (but why do they have the vice to be too optimistic?!) and relative construction of the unsold prototype.
The first machine practically gave it.
He's been very ambiguous lately.
before he says that he sells the machines subcosto and that he loses us (but then you are there or do us?) and the day after that with the sale of this machine, will arrange all things.bah.

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

update: I did the interview and in practice the recruitment should start at the end of October because he enters a big contract.
I think I should get fired, take unemployment benefits and wait.
Does anyone have any information about this?

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

If you are entitled to unemployment in the event of voluntary dismissal, even if for the right cause, and how you must behave in the affirmative case.
I'll take you back. an article I found it.
annche for hiring... with the chatter they've already screwed you once, maybe it's the case of making a pre-contract that you're hiding.link on this. If then the great commissioner does not come who remains on the sidewalk is you. the seriousness of the future company

 

[TheFunnyGuitarist]

Yes, the pre-contract thing is already available.
They just need to know if I accept or not.
But here, let's say that the unemployment money would still be useful.
I've been informed, and theoretically expect me to be entitled if I quit for just cause and bite the employer.
my question was that if maybe someone had already asked (times of delivery of money, quantity, delivery order..ecc.ecc.ecc.)
thanks to all of the support! ! ! !

 

[tartufon80]

.... my question concerned that if maybe someone had already asked for it(types of delivery of money,quantitative,mode of delivery..ecc.ecc.ecc)
thanks to all of the support! ! ! !

I tell you that a question submitted at the end of June still does not see a penny. from what I hear from friends, it seems that the inps is with water to the throat, and therefore there are many delays!

of course you also check through the inps office of your province.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I, made at the beginning of the year, from May 1 seems to have changed something, went to the employment office to report my situation of unemployed (it is obligatory to have right to the check) then to the inps where they gave me the infamous pin with which you access your contribution position; from here, if you do it yourself, you have to access the online request. of course it is an Italian site so done badly and you do not understand a bunch of how to move and where to click (at home I should have a vademecum made at the time) but if you call the call center are available and explain step by step how to do. otherwise go to a patronage
directives from the site inps http://www.inps.it/portale/default.aspx?itemdir=8292I try to sum up your doubts:
timing: quite short, it seems to me a 15 days
How much: is a calculation that examines the payrolls of the last two years of contributions* (the question you have to ask is... have they been paid? However you see it in your inps pay position)
as: accredied on bank account or postal or bank account or by postal or transfer to Italian post.

* could be four if instead of bees you have the right to the nose

 

[tartufon80]

....from May 1 it seems to have changed something... .

I think so (the births you mentioned), and should be here the lengthening of the times I mentioned.