what is the work of engineer today?

[Eleo]

Bye to all,
My name is Eleo and I have just finished the five-year mechanical engineering studies. from now almost a year I work as an employee in a design studio that deals with industrial automation. I wanted to make you share some doubts that I am having, given my substantial lack of experience.
I'm seeing that basically design there's almost nothing and I mostly handle drawings and distinct, parts and assemblies and table and documentation. I'm actually trying to figure out what this type of work is, since nine months I've done one size of bearings and picked an actuator a couple of times. the impression is that the orders are exclusively of modifications of projects and design we say true and proper there is very little (which then these rare activities are carried out by senior designers and therefore to us juniors let us do only the most organizational work).
is the reality of a study that works with multinationals that provides for a type of similar work or is a common trend also in companies that have inside besides the design also the realization part?
I am passionate about automatic machines and I would love to continue on this road but I would like to start seeing even more functional aspects that are not mere control or modification
What do you recommend me to do? Would change kind of reality benefit or is it a standard path even in other types of companies?
Moreover there is now a difference between designer and designer because it seems to me that now are two ambivalent figures especially in the sector in question.
I thank you for the attention and hope that there are others who have the same doubts.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

First of all this topic has already been argued in the forum, I recommend doing research.
you have just begun and your knowledge, as much as you have studied, are only theoretical; the productive way has methods that you can know. All you're doing is a gym for when you're serious. do not limit yourself to doing the task assigned, but analyze the drawings that pass you underhand, ask for clarification, operation, motivation, do research on catalogs, on production processes. the network is huge and waits to be used. 9 months is no echo, and you're getting an idea of work, your superiors know they're making a different idea.
to finish your doubts you must express them to your superior to understand how your reality is and where it can lead you

 

[stevie]

probably it's the reality where you're finished that it's little stimulant, looking for more

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

probably it's the reality where you're finished that it's little stimulant, looking for more

with all respect, but after 9 months of the first experience as it can assess whether the work that is doing and not stimulating:
for the very nature of the profession
for the nature of the company
for the assignment of the type of work subordinated to his experience
for a non-compliance on working reality.
It is not that he is doing photocopies, he is still putting hands on congruous material with how much studied and how much he will serve in the future; is simply doing the trick

 

[stevie]

with all respect, but after 9 months of the first experience as it can assess whether the work that is doing and not stimulating:
for the very nature of the profession
for the nature of the company
for the assignment of the type of work subordinated to his experience
for a non-compliance on working reality.
It is not that he is doing photocopies, he is still putting hands on congruous material with how much studied and how much he will serve in the future; is simply doing the trick

I will... be sure that if in 1 year the only dimensioning he made is that of a bearing, it seems to me little.. .

is it not that we are faced with the new case of submansion so much in vogue in recent years in Italy?

 

[TETRASTORE]

First of all this topic has already been argued in the forum, I recommend doing research.
you have just begun and your knowledge, as much as you have studied, are only theoretical; the productive way has methods that you can know. All you're doing is a gym for when you're serious. do not limit yourself to doing the task assigned, but analyze the drawings that pass you underhand, ask for clarification, operation, motivation, do research on catalogs, on production processes. the network is huge and waits to be used. 9 months is no echo, and you're getting an idea of work, your superiors know they're making a different idea.
to finish your doubts you must express them to your superior to understand how your reality is and where it can lead you

I fully agree, unfortunately we do not realize that it is already very much that a professional study (or a company) has taken you even if you have no experience. This means that you want to bet and invest on you but first you have to enter gradually with tasks that make you better understand the type of work. the design you can not start it immediately or after a year, because this would involve the need to support you in full time a senior designer diverting it from his work and this, of course, is not possible.
a generalized tendency is to believe that university preparation gives you the key to the office in which you can do what you always wanted, but forgetting that between when you obtained a degree and start being productive for a company, there is still a lot to do, and here I quote @massivonweize that synthesized it very well in these passages:

All you're doing is a gym for when you're serious. do not limit yourself to doing the task assigned, but analyze the drawings that pass you underhand, ask for clarification, operation, motivation, do research on catalogs, on production processes. the network is huge and waits to be used. 9 months is no echo, and you're getting an idea of work, your superiors know they're making a different idea.

if you follow these tips you will see that they will be your superiors who will give you by hand increasing responsibility according to your degree of preparation you will have acquired (securely not after a year).

Moreover there is now a difference between designer and designer because it seems to me that now are two ambivalent figures especially in the sector in question.

here will be able to better carry out their experiences the various designers and designers present in this forum, personally, when I managed the technical office (transmissions sector) the designer defined the type of product, made the sizing, the calculations of verification and prepared a study that delivered to the designers who extracted the details for the production, so I see a substantial difference. in small companies, however, the two figures can be interchanged.
also to the graduates that I assumed, for the first three, four years have been entrusted to him tasks as a particular design, management distinct bases, maintenance and updating drawings, etc.

I think it only takes a good dose of humility and patience.

 

[meccanicamg]

My colleagues told you a lot.
for my experience I can tell you:
You're in the first place, so they're gonna make you do little dangerous, very boring, but in the meantime you learn the basics.
- in time if things evolve is because you are learning and your employers see you are valid. if it doesn't happen can be because you don't go well or even they are afraid
- it is not said that they actually apply correctly what you should do. many "projectists" unfortunately go ahead copying already made project and with accounts of the dixan calculator that do not go beyond counting the number of screws. If this is the reality, look elsewhere and as soon as you can smamma
- many small companies are made by cellarers....so they think more about drawing beautiful shapes without knowing. much depends also on the ability of the designers and the vision of the boss

and for the lyrics in good luck.

 

[cacciatorino]

Bye to all,
My name is Eleo and I have just finished the five-year mechanical engineering studies. from now almost a year I work as an employee in a design studio that deals with industrial automation. I wanted to make you share some doubts that I am having, given my substantial lack of experience.

I'm the owner of a design studio that does that kind of work (I hope you're not one of my employees under wits lie! :d )

So, the problem is basically this: customer companies usually have their technical office and then run outside only to meet the load points. Obviously when they realize they need outside is a sign that the times are already tight, so even a possible design must be done in a short time to recover at least a little of the time lost at the beginning.

What is the prolema of a junior engineer? It's just... tremendously slow, as much as he might be good too. said this, the owner of the studio cannot entrust a complex design work to the neo-engineer, because it would put an infinity on us and would therefore be in contradiction with the "mission" of the external technical office, that to 90% is precisely that of pulling out of trouble the client company that does not have the resource to manage (in acceptable times) that extra work that now approaches dangers to the dead-line.

I hope I explained. the companies are much more hungry than designers, but the situation of the external technical office makes the training path difficult to the neo-diplomate or neo-laureate, because there is never the time it would serve (years ago it was different, but now it is so).

 

[biz]

All right, guys, but in post 1, they say,

that then these rare activities are carried out by senior designers

already makes me understand that there is little design.
So, in order not to know anything about the reality in question, I would like to say that maybe it is not the most suitable place to grow. but it is all to be demonstrated.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

already makes me understand that there is little design.
So, in order not to know anything about the reality in question, I would like to say that maybe it is not the most suitable place to grow. but it is all to be demonstrated.

I started and worked for several years in a similar, tertious study, and it doesn't seem to have grown badly.
In this case, even if nothing was planned, dimensions and technical choices, let us remember that even deciding a material, a treatment, a locking system is design, they were on the agenda.
so can it be that he sees rare designs because he does not yet have the skills to recognize them?

 

[Mario SJPD]

already makes me understand that there is little design.
So, in order not to know anything about the reality in question, I would like to say that maybe it is not the most suitable place to grow.

I think designing is not just calculating if you can't do the math that's a different job.
The university has provided you with the basis to carry out and recognize the calculations to be carried out but there are a whole series of technical choices ,commercial, sectoral, etc. etc. that you are currently unable to carry out .
when you do the jobs that you feel boring and repetitive you are actually acquiring these knowledge, you are doing the trick,
to carry out the pipeline in a study that works with more customers and with more productive realities allows you to acquire more knowledge.
Sincerely I have rarely been able to entrust more important tasks to a new graduate with nine months of experience but when it happened it was because the in question gave obvious signs of reliability of commitment and will to grow.

 

[Eleo]

My colleagues told you a lot.
for my experience I can tell you:
You're in the first place, so they're gonna make you do little dangerous, very boring, but in the meantime you learn the basics.
- in time if things evolve is because you are learning and your employers see you are valid. if it doesn't happen can be because you don't go well or even they are afraid
- it is not said that they actually apply correctly what you should do. many "projectists" unfortunately go ahead copying already made project and with accounts of the dixan calculator that do not go beyond counting the number of screws. If this is the reality, look elsewhere and as soon as you can smamma
- many small companies are made by cellarers....so they think more about drawing beautiful shapes without knowing. much depends also on the ability of the designers and the vision of the boss

and for the lyrics in good luck.

live the wolf and thank you

 

[Eleo]

I started and worked for several years in a similar, tertious study, and it doesn't seem to have grown badly.
In this case, even if nothing was planned, dimensions and technical choices, let us remember that even deciding a material, a treatment, a locking system is design, they were on the agenda.
so can it be that he sees rare designs because he does not yet have the skills to recognize them?

Thanks for all the tips. for example treatments and materials are never chosen by us because already decided by the customer.

 

[Eleo]

All right, guys, but in post 1, they say,

already makes me understand that there is little design.
So, in order not to know anything about the reality in question, I would like to say that maybe it is not the most suitable place to grow. but it is all to be demonstrated.

Thanks for the advice. according to you/you go to a company(as recommend hunter I thank) would be more challenging or could I see more things? nothing taking away from the water supply that I will always have to do, be clear

 

[Eleo]

I'm the owner of a design studio that does that kind of work (I hope you're not one of my employees under wits lie! :d )

So, the problem is basically this: customer companies usually have their technical office, and they only run outside to meet the load points. Obviously when they realize they need outside is a sign that the times are already tight, so even a possible design must be done in a short time to recover at least a little of the time lost at the beginning.

What is the prolema of a junior native? It's just... tremendously slow, as much as he might be good too. said this, the owner of the studio cannot entrust a complex design work to the neo-engineer, because it would put an infinity on us and would therefore be in contradiction with the "mission" of the external technical office, that to 90% is precisely that of pulling out of trouble the client company that does not have the resource to manage (in acceptable times) that extra work that now approaches dangers to the dead-line.

I hope I explained. the companies are much more hungry than designers, but the situation of the external technical office makes the training path difficult to the neo-diplomate or neo-laureate, because there is never the time it would serve (years ago it was different, but now it is so).

Thanks =)

 

[cacciatorino]

Thanks =)

Please give me notice! :roflmao:

 

[biz]

I think designing is not just calculating if you can't do the math that's a different job.
The university has provided you with the basis to carry out and recognize the calculations to be carried out but there are a whole series of technical choices ,commercial, sectoral, etc. etc. that you are currently unable to carry out .
when you do the jobs that you feel boring and repetitive you are actually acquiring these knowledge, you are doing the trick,
to carry out the pipeline in a study that works with more customers and with more productive realities allows you to acquire more knowledge.
Sincerely I have rarely been able to entrust more important tasks to a new graduate with nine months of experience but when it happened it was because the in question gave obvious signs of reliability of commitment and will to grow.

I do not mean only calculation, design, for me, for how I work, is:
_conceptual design;
_stesura avanproject;
_concrete design and executive design;
_design of detail;
Technical design and reporting varies (studies, calculations, verifications, analysis, etc.);
This last operation is the only one that does not add value to the design engineer's profession, compared to those mentioned above.
I think that the student, if worthy, should be inserted/indirected as soon as possible in the projector's job, as mentioned. Then, clearly, if one enters a company where the tasks are divided, this is another speech.

 

[Eleo]

Thanks =)

Non-sono suo dipendente, tranquillo

 

[biz]

I will say more, I am of the idea that a graduate who points to becoming a designer engineer should go first in the workshop, a little to the machine tools, a little in carpentry and a little to the assembly.

 

[Mario SJPD]

I think that the student, if worthy, should be inserted/indirected as soon as possible in the projector's job, as mentioned above.

I will say more, I am of the idea that a graduate who points to becoming a designer engineer should go first in the workshop, a little to the machine tools, a little in carpentry and a little to the assembly.

According to my interpretation are two antithesis exclamations,
I don't understand.
Do I have to send him to the workshop or direct him immediately into his job?
both things seem to me an exaggerated demansionment