from metalmechanical to technical study with contract trade.

[xxfast]

Good morning.
I'll drink it.
Does it agree to switch from a metalmechanical contract to that of a well-structured external study with trade contract or tertiary on 14 monthly?
It should be considered that I would have a 20% increase in salaries and about 40 km less to travel daily.
Is there a big difference?

 

[TECNOMODEL]

even if there were differences at the level of contributions you wouldn't notice, these are at the company's expense.
with a similar increase and a street reduction of that entity what still keeps you from signing the contract?

 

[xxfast]

even if there were differences at the level of contributions you wouldn't notice, these are at the company's expense.
with a similar increase and a street reduction of that entity what still keeps you from signing the contract?

a giust...

 

[Vittorio]

40km less per day.. means your salary increases by another 150€ monthly.
if you want to be forward-looking and think about your future pension, know about the differences between metal-industrial contract and trade/territorial.
are not few cases of people who have worked a life with contract trade/territorial/artisan and at the time of retiring they have found themselves with a misery.
However, you can always invest your +20% in an additional pension.
If you have a family, a 20% more makes the difference from surviving a decent living.

 

[xxfast]

40km less per day.. means your salary increases by another 150€ monthly.
if you want to be forward-looking and think about your future pension, know about the differences between metal-industrial contract and trade/territorial.
are not few cases of people who have worked a life with contract trade/territorial/artisan and at the time of retiring they have found themselves with a misery.
However, you can always invest your +20% in an additional pension.
If you have a family, a 20% more makes the difference from surviving a decent living.

You're right. Since I've already integrated, I'm fine then... .

 

[TECNOMODEL]

40km less per day.. means your salary increases by another 150€ monthly.
if you want to be forward-looking and think about your future pension, know about the differences between metal-industrial contract and trade/territorial.
are not few cases of people who have worked a life with contract trade/territorial/artisan and at the time of retiring they have found themselves with a misery.
However, you can always invest your +20% in an additional pension.
If you have a family, a 20% more makes the difference from surviving a decent living.

for an employee, at part of salary, the contributions paid are the same, regardless of ccnl, if not mistaken.
in any case, if such differences were real (some doubt I have), there would be no need to think about it a moment and you should sign immediately, before they change their mind and remain the offer.

 

[xxfast]

for an employee, at part of salary, the contributions paid are the same, regardless of ccnl, if not mistaken.
in any case, if such differences were real (some doubt I have), there would be no need to think about it a moment and you should sign immediately, before they change their mind and remain the offer.

I know better about the contributions, I think they're very similar to me too. I make a correction for my calculation error. the exact increase of salary is 12 %, but the many kilometers remain less and the fourteenth more. In addition, I can choose to go to work without a car and in that case the miles traveled up by another 12. without talking about the right choice, as far as pollution is concerned... in the end, there is to consider the professional growth that I would go to acquire.... .

 

[Vittorio]

for an employee, at part of salary, the contributions paid are the same, regardless of ccnl, if not mistaken.
in any case, if such differences were real (some doubt I have), there would be no need to think about it a moment and you should sign immediately, before they change their mind and remain the offer.

differences between categories are there. craftsmen complaining about low pensions.. in fact do not pour as a metalmechanical-industrial employee.
will also be the black work that contributes to this imbalance.
I believe that the contributions paid are proportional to the salary taken.
if you work in a company where your salary is paid with strange contracts or benefits instead of regular hourly pay.. you cannot claim the same treatment as one who has paid everything regular.

 

[Vittorio]

It is not a question of the right choice, as far as pollution is concerned. . .

ok 10 points to be green , but I think, currently where you work, they offered you 50% more on the salary, the green would be slipped in 2035
Anyway, there's no need to think about it. signature signature

 

[xxfast]

so much for info, from what they tell me, the contributions are paid by calculating the gross salary. regardless of the type of contract.

 

[Vittorio]

so much for info, from what they tell me, the contributions are paid by calculating the gross salary. regardless of the type of contract.

I'm not a merchant, I've made ideas by collecting the opinions of those who have lived them as a personal experience.
in your place, I would invest in a accountant to deepen your contract.
only by comparing the current contract with the future you can understand how much you actually gain.
if personal growth prevails. . bhe in that case I would also go to parity or even reasonably negative.

 

[ceschi1959]

so much for info, from what they tell me, the contributions are paid by calculating the gross salary. regardless of the type of contract.

the rates of contributions for pension purposes (ivs) are usually 33%, with the following modulation: about 24% dependent on the employer and about 9% dependent on the worker.

for which, in front of a heral of 40.000€ (for example), approximately 3.600€ are to the employee (which you will see to charge about 36.400€) and about 9.600€ to the employer, in total therefore 13.200€.

 

[xxfast]

the rates of contributions for pension purposes (ivs) are usually 33%, with the following modulation: about 24% dependent on the employer and about 9% dependent on the worker.

for which, in front of a heral of 40.000€ (for example), approximately 3.600€ are to the employee (which you will see to charge about 36.400€) and about 9.600€ to the employer, in total therefore 13.200€.

thanks for the clarification.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

differences between categories are there. craftsmen complaining about low pensions.. in fact do not pour as a metalmechanical-industrial employee.
will also be the black work that contributes to this imbalance.
I believe that the contributions paid are proportional to the salary taken.
if you work in a company where your salary is paid with strange contracts or benefits instead of regular hourly pay.. you cannot claim the same treatment as one who has paid everything regular.

you cannot compare an employee to a free professional, they are completely different systems, as well as the overalls.
At the same gross salary the contributions paid, for an employee, are the same, regardless of ccnl, working area, residence etc.
and we'd miss more.

 

[Vittorio]

you cannot compare an employee to a free professional, they are completely different systems, as well as the overalls.
At the same gross salary the contributions paid, for an employee, are the same, regardless of ccnl, working area, residence etc.
and we'd miss more.

where did I compare an employee with a free professional?
are a dependent.. I still have benefits that are not counted at retirement level.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

where did I compare an employee with a free professional?
are a dependent.. I still have benefits that are not counted at retirement level.

differences between categories are there. craftsmen complaining about low pensions.. in fact do not pour as a metalmechanical-industrial employee.will also be the black work that contributes to this imbalance.
I believe that the contributions paid are proportional to the salary taken.
if you work in a company where your salary is paid with strange contracts or benefits instead of regular hourly pay.. you cannot claim the same treatment as one who has paid everything regular.

qui

 

[Vittorio]

Are the employees of the artisans professionals?
go see what a craftsman employee and a metalmechanical-industrial employee retires.
But we don't get out of the theme.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

Are the employees of the artisans professionals?
go see what a craftsman employee and a metalmechanical-industrial employee retires

Perhaps we do not understand, if the artisan employee and the metalmechanical industry perceive the same gross, do not make extraordinary hours in black etc. the pension is exactly the same.
In fact, to be more precise, if both workers have had the same pay/worker path, because now there is the existing pay system, then it will be the amount paid in the entire career to determine the amount of pension.
In my opinion, to this day, to assess a job because perhaps in the future could give us a greater pension is a mistake, especially if we speak of a young man, who probably will not see even a sufficient pesnion to survive, if he does not know and will go to integrate it.

 

[Vittorio]

You're talking about salary. I have only highlighted, to whom the discussion opened, to verify the type of contract.
there are categories that could hold a salary at the minimum contract and compensate you with other items that are not counted at the pension level type benefit or other.
quite difficult thing if you have a metalmechanical contract and belong to an industry.
reported to the artisan world.. It's normal.
You're illuding to earn more. but when you shoot the rows in the boat you notice

 

[TECNOMODEL]

You're talking about salary. I have only highlighted, to whom the discussion opened, to verify the type of contract.
there are categories that could hold a salary at the minimum contract and compensate you with other items that are not counted at the pension level type benefit or other.
quite difficult thing if you have a metalmechanical contract and belong to an industry.
reported to the artisan world.. It's normal.
You're illuding to earn more. but when you shoot the rows in the boat you notice

but we are talking about things at least border line, if not clearly illegal