advice from 2d to 3d

[FRAGRO]

Hello.
woodworking machinery project.
we are considering switching to a 3d software.
now design everything with autocad 2000 but now both design and design management are obsolete.
now on the final study of the machine, I assemble the drawings in the 3 views with their own blocks. most studies contain on 3500/4000blocks certain studies even more.
Many designs are used in multiple machines and/or accessories.
the problem that I work so every time I change a block I have to change everything.
What software do you recommend? I don't want to leave the wrong foot
Thank you!

 

[Strumpf]

Hi.
here everyone will suggest you their own cad they use, so I recommend you solidworks,
I have transformed many models from dwg to 3d and I found myself great, I also attach these 2 videoshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkxvsjiowgkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb3voyrjwkqthis and just to show you how you could easily recover existing designs but of course it's also great for future works (from 0 )
and easy to learn, use, and in Veneto they use it a lot, so you wouldn't have any problems even with customers/suppliers

 

[cacciatorino]

to make machinery should go well more or less all the middle-range ones: solidedge, solidworks, pro/e base, inventor... .

As strumpf said, you should choose the one that allows you the best interoperability with your most important interlocutor. Because in 3d, compatibility is very poor, which means you should buy the same cad that is using your most important customer/supplier.

In my opinion, and in my experience, the recovery of the historian is not a factor of choice, in the sense that today all modern cad 3d manage the dwg format adequately.

I recommend, as times are grateful, you put in competition various suppliers so you will get a greater discount!!!! :biggrin:

 

[Er Presidente]

Hi.
here everyone will suggest you their own cad they use, so I recommend you solidworks,
I have transformed many models from dwg to 3d and I found myself great, I also attach these 2 videoshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkxvsjiowgkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb3voyrjwkqthis and just to show you how you could easily recover existing designs but of course it's also great for future works (from 0 )
and easy to learn, use, and in Veneto they use it a lot, so you wouldn't have any problems even with customers/suppliers

beautiful that thing that puts the duedes in space as seen, really "cool"!

 

[Strumpf]

yeah, and it comes particularly useful when you have multiple sections (I think you have often)
as here

 

[FRAGRO]

...you should choose what allows you the best interoperability with your most important interlocutor. Because in 3d, compatibility is very poor, which means you should buy the same cad that is using your most important customer/supplier.

...

I personally have no interlocutors and suppliers who still ask me the 3d, but the choice to move to a 3d is given by the fact that now our 2d (autocad 2000) program is obsolete. by now the machines are composed of sheet metals that are difficult to design and can be understood in 2d.
solidworks and solid edge programs can also have with the menu in Italian?

 

[cacciatorino]

solidworks and solid edge programs can also have with the menu in Italian?

Of course, all the most important cads are available in Italian.

if you use a lot of sheet metal, solid edge has a long tradition in the industry.

 

[maxopus]

pro/e do not recommend it ... it is too fast, and at high speed turn the head. :biggrin::biggrin:

 

[FRAGRO]

I don't know him. .
but speed is definitely an important thing. .
Tell me the pros and cons...

 

[maxopus]

I don't know him. .
but speed is definitely an important thing. .
Tell me the pros and cons...

Many will fight me, but I don't care and get used to it.
I premute not to be a retailer or a ptc partner, I am a user who 4 years ago, after working for several years on some parametric cads, decided to put himself in his own and for his own business he chose pro/e.

I think they are:
ptc is the company that invented parametric and adaptive design and pro/e has been on the market for 22 years;
is notoriously the most stable programme of the market;
is the fastest program in loading and regenerating complex boards and assemblies;
the basic version, includes all the functions necessary to a small-media company and costs as much as the competing programs.

It's the only cad that offers only one product for the middle band and the high band and this is not a factor of little account.
Some software houses offer only medium-range cads (inventor and think3), other software houses offer two distinct cads.
dassault offers solidworks and catia, siemens offers solidedge and nx.
the consequence of all this is that, if in a few years your company decides to take a step forward and want to implement some functions of the cad, with an average cad would be facing serious problems.
I'll give you an example.
purchase inventor and for various reasons within 3 years you understand that you need to push more on the advanced assembly.
The old archives must be translated for the new cad and you will lose in the new cad:
all relations between model 3d and table;
all possibilities of change through quotas;
all relations in the assemblies.
In short, a bloodbath in economic terms.

the same for solidworks and solidedge as the files of the same are not readable, if not in neutral format, by the older brothers.

with pro/e, if you have to implement some functions of the program, you will just buy one or more additional modules, the files remain the same and therefore perfectly legible and compatible.

I think they are:
maintenance for updating the program (non-compulsory) cost a little more than those of other medium-range programs (and wanting there is a system to save and pay much less)

It is a program with a few tutorials, so if you want to use it with great productivity and be productive immediately, you should do a course of a week, in which they will explain all the principles of operation and give you different manuals in Italian language very useful in case you do not remember the application of a function.
This means that you have to plan a course spending that should be around 2-3000 euros but, I assure you it is all money well spent and that are recovered in the first year of use (otherwise you put the triple of time to learn it).

if you need more information, please ask.

 

[cacciatorino]

I think they are:

You forgot that with pro/e there's some difficulty displaying models with black edges...

 

[maxopus]

You forgot that with pro/e there's some difficulty displaying models with black edges...

I forgot.
just use e-drawings or productview and you see:biggrin::biggrin:

 

[Er Presidente]

You forgot that with pro/e there's some difficulty displaying models with black edges...

If I can say, the ptc has put black edges to osd!!!! !

incredible to us you to them not!

:biggrin:

 

[maxopus]

If I can say, the ptc has put black edges to osd!!!! !

incredible to us you to them not!

:biggrin:

certain packages are made only to true friends:biggrin:

 

[cacciatorino]

If I can say, the ptc has put black edges to osd!!!! !

incredible to us you to them not!

:biggrin:

Actually, the black edges are also on pro/e, you just need to write a string of 65 characters to enable them (ref. http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=147570&postcount=16 )!

It is not a cad for ladies, as he said. . .

 

[maxopus]

Actually, the black edges are also on pro/e, you just need to write a string of 65 characters to enable them (ref. http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=147570&postcount=16 )!

It is not a cad for ladies, as he said. . .

cazz hunting show_shaded_edges it seems ugrofinnico (I forget you don't have to invent it ... it is written nice clear in the options).
and then here remains only the visual basic :biggrin::biggrin:

 

[cacciatorino]

cazz hunting show_shaded_edges Sounds like ugrofinnico.
and then here remains only the visual basic :biggrin::biggrin:

but do you want to put the cads where to configure them just click inside some boxes?

you remind me of the cocreate technician who told me that to add a standard hole to the drop-down menu it was "sufficient" to edit a file lisp with the notepad, then your cabbage if by chance you exchanged a point with a comma with an exponent no longer left the cad....

 

[Er Presidente]

but do you want to put the cads where to configure them just click inside some boxes?

you remind me of the cocreate technician who told me that to add a standard hole to the drop-down menu it was "sufficient" to edit a file lisp with the notepad, then your cabbage if by chance you exchanged a point with a comma with an exponent no longer left the cad....

Oh, boy! ! ! ! !
Let's not start to criticize the lisp that I become nervous!

:smile:

 

[maxopus]

but do you want to put the cads where to configure them just click inside some boxes?

you remind me of the cocreate technician who told me that to add a standard hole to the drop-down menu it was "sufficient" to edit a file lisp with the notepad, then your cabbage if by chance you exchanged a point with a comma with an exponent no longer left the cad....

That's where you're wrong. Look what's enough to do without writing anything.

go to the tool menu>options (to enter the config)

type in the search box *edges (you just need to know how you say edge in English .... and you use solid edge saqqui)

by magic you will see all the options related to the edges, select the desired one and impose the value on yes ....
add to this that inside pro/e there is a nice pdf of 217 pages that explains for good all system options.
It's that people don't even want to read anymore, because if pro/e I learned it at 42, a 20-year-old boy should eat it at breakfast.

 

[marcof]

It's that people don't even want to read anymore, because if pro/e I learned it at 42, a 20-year-old boy should eat it at breakfast.

but the fact is that "sergenten" all of a "pezzen" threw the mold and recruits are no longer trained as they should. They break right away when they shake them... :redface:

Hi.