automatic regeneration

[bigsnake]

Hello everyone!!! ! ! !
I have just recorded but I have already read many discussions that have been very helpful, so to start I wanted to congratulate all the participants of the forum.

I use proe wf4 or in some cases old 2001, but in both I noticed something particularly annoying
I give you an example: I have an assembly of about 20 components, of which one of more than 1000 features, say 1500, called "tassello"
I do automatic regeneration and it's okay.
during the regeneration known that the rigen of the "tassello" component starts from feature 1300.

I continue my project by adding features to all other components, completely untied by dowel, without interfering with previous features.
I do automatic regeneration and maybe now I start with feature 400!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

In addition to a huge waste of time, sometimes it happens that I have some incomprehensible failure, which is even worse.

How can I solve or circumvent this situation?
is possible, arrived at a certain point of the project, "block it" so as to decide independently when to start automatic regeneration?

thanks to all in advance

 

[Prof.]

have you checked if there are circular references or completely unscrupulous components?

 

[bigsnake]

Yes, there are many circular references, but they are indispensable: for example the reference between components of a screw thread or vice versa.
Why??? Are they critical??? ? ? ?

in my projects I always try to use as little as possible, and then correct diagnostic failure when reborn. (unlike when design with v5 cat, very rarely, that I practically never use them).

the problem, it is first: about the 1500 features I have, about 1200 are used to make the stamp solid after an import from very critical step.
failure is almost always between a merge or trim of surfaces.
Do you think this is a matter of general criticality of the project?? ? ? ? ? ?

yesterday, for example, after opening the discussion, I just had to copy the sisco from a basic component of the mold to another component in the tail of the tree to go the crashes!!!!!!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

thank you very much prof for your availability.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

Yes, there are many circular references, but they are indispensable: for example the reference between components of a screw thread or vice versa.
Why??? Are they critical??? ? ? ?

circulatory references are more than critical, they should not be there, they are the greater cause of crashes and they are to be avoided.

the problem, it is first: about the 1500 features I have, about 1200 are used to make the stamp solid after an import from very critical step.
failure is almost always between a merge or trim of surfaces.
Do you think this is a matter of general criticality of the project?? ? ? ? ? ?

see above. .


to come to your problem just that you do not regenerate the dowel, automatic regenerate always does it on all components while if you do custom regenerate you can omit the components to regenerate in your joint structure, as long as circular references do not prevent you. .

greetings

 

[Prof.]

to understand if a circular reference is critical just think: If I'd be my father's son besides being my father, would it be a problem? would it be possible? I would also be father of my brothers, grandfather of my children and son of my grandparents! I hope I explained.
circular references are to be avoided as the plague always and cmq.
Bye.

 

[cletus]

the problem, it is first: about the 1500 features I have, about 1200 are used to make the stamp solid after an import from very critical step.
failure is almost always between a merge or trim of surfaces.

to avoid dragging the 1200 feats necessary to adjust the step, try to reexport the solidified model as step (or as neutral) and then reimport it; You should be able to solidify everything without turning your hand back.

 

[bigsnake]

x prof and parametric
thank you...... I didn't know the criticality of circulatory refs!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
I'll be more careful.
powers to overcome this problem by taking as reference a vertex referred to a axis (seen in plant) rather than a circular remake of the hole diameter? or does criticality persist?

x parametric
I have already resigned to not regenerate this project automatically, but manually, but for the future ...... .

x cletus
attempt made, but when amount are again surfaces, and are from the top

However, my question is: can you make an assembly "static", deciding a point before which should not regenerate?

I studied a solution, and would be curious to share it with you for a comparison:
-arrived to the desired point of the project, I create another set (assembly2) and save it in the same directory.
-mount all components created in assembly1, in assembly2
-I meet my project exclusively by adding feature
- if automatic regeneration is only of assembly features2.
- Only if I go to redefine the features created in assembly1, while they are in assembly2, I find I have obsolete references, so I only have the boredom of having to redefine them opening assembly1.

Okay. The method is Moroccan, but working, right? What do you think?

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

You want advice?
open the part of 1500 feature , click edit/read menu and in the menu manager all feat.

at this point the dowel is frozen and will no longer be considered by regeneration. :biggrin:

greetings

 

[bigsnake]

ok parametric, I have to tell you that I had not thought about it and it seems a great solution!!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :finger:
I didn't know that reading alone bypassed regeneration!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

I have to ask you a few questions:
Is it wrong, or once in read alone, after you cannot go back, i.e., the features can only be erased?
and then, after setting the read only, can you continue to add feature in the same part?
If I go back, and now I impose it on almost finished project, will the members be affected by it?

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

ok parametric, I have to tell you that I had not thought about it and it seems a great solution!!!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! :finger:
I didn't know that reading alone bypassed regeneration!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

I have to ask you a few questions:
Is it wrong, or once in read alone, after you cannot go back, i.e., the features can only be erased?
and then, after setting the read only, can you continue to add feature in the same part?
If I go back, and now I impose it on almost finished project, will the members be affected by it?

But we wouldn't miss that you can't go back, otherwise what would it do?
I have made you put the option all the features, because I assume that the work you are doing does not imply any modification to the 1500 feature tile and that any children do not depend on it, so much worth freezing it all no?
to remove the read only, in the menu manager select the option finish and all the features and magically will still be unlocked and will enter your unfortunately circular reference.

you can also only put some features in read alone and not all the model.
if you add a feature to the model of your stamp example at 1501 this will not be read-only and will enter the process of regeneration.

greetings

 

[bigsnake]

Unfortunately now I can't really control it, but I'm too curious and I will do it as soon as possible! ! !
cmq I will definitely let you know.

they are very confident, because they are the things seemingly + simple are always the + geniuses:finger:

Hello and thank you again

 

[bigsnake]

great parametric......... you are a genius!!!!!!!
it was exactly what I needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I "lost" about an hour to choose the right points where to set the only reading or redefine the children where possible, but I did it.

I actually invested an hour, because besides not failing geometry, I more than halved the times of regeneration.

thanks really of parametric heart and also to all others who participated in the discussion, with little useful advice in this case, but more than intelligent, like that of circular references.

By the way....I was doubtful... but the circular references you referred to, are the simple references used during the sketch to create a bond of coaxiality?
and if yes, I repeat a question before:
powers to overcome this problem by taking as reference a vertex referred to a axis (seen in plant) rather than a circular remake of the hole diameter? or does criticality persist?

 

[maxopus]

great parametric......... you are a genius!!!!!!!
it was exactly what I needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I "lost" about an hour to choose the right points where to set the only reading or redefine the children where possible, but I did it.

I actually invested an hour, because besides not failing geometry, I more than halved the times of regeneration.

thanks really of parametric heart and also to all others who participated in the discussion, with little useful advice in this case, but more than intelligent, like that of circular references.

By the way....I was doubtful... but the circular references you referred to, are the simple references used during the sketch to create a bond of coaxiality?
and if yes, I repeat a question before:
powers to overcome this problem by taking as reference a vertex referred to a axis (seen in plant) rather than a circular remake of the hole diameter? or does criticality persist?

No... circular references are another thing.
If you establish a father hierarchy and then a son-father hierarchy you have created a circular reference.
in practice a non-sustainable iterative cycle is created.
It's like in a simple equation I set a=bx2 and then with another equation I set b=a/2.
the equation system in this case has no solution.

 

[bigsnake]

My mother...... what a fool I did!! !!!!!

thanks max for timeliness and especially for clarity
This is what the example of prof was about: I had not understood that it was referring to circular refs.

I had completely misunderstood!!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

thanks again to all and I renew my compliments to the forum and especially to its interpreters!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

 

[matteoso]

You want advice?
open the part of 1500 feature , click edit/read menu and in the menu manager all feat.

at this point the dowel is frozen and will no longer be considered by regeneration. :biggrin:

greetings

Damn you, Ozzy!

I find you after more than a year and always with a few tricks! great! I'm glad to see you on the forum!

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

great parametric......... you are a genius!!!!!!!
it was exactly what I needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look after this statement and seeing my history in here, I could only put this avatar.
genius of a dog! and has 6 zambe!ahhaa fantastic

Damn you, Ozzy!

I find you after more than a year and always with a few tricks! great! I'm glad to see you on the forum!

the bvo (good old ozzy) never dies... the class is not water...