but the honor?

[gtemp]

I can't fail to comment. . . .
these mediocre politicians but scalters takers in 20 years have sold the country to foreigners!! banks, industries and not happy the crucks, the subjects of his majesty, and the cousins of ooltralpe after having bought in low hands in Italy, have decided to destroy us economically also abroad...see the libia where the only way to get us out of the way was to make war... see now the case of the 2 our fellow citizens (this are real Italians, proud!) who are only the pretext to make us out. We draw out pride and pa.le because we have them and when they turn there is no for anyone... we fear all our European friends because we have creativity inventive skills. . . .

 

[Er Presidente]

I can't fail to comment. . . .
these mediocre politicians but scalters takers in 20 years have sold the country to foreigners!! banks, industries and not happy the crucks, the subjects of his majesty, and the cousins of ooltralpe after having bought in low hands in Italy, have decided to destroy us economically also abroad...see the libia where the only way to get us out of the way was to make war... see now the case of the 2 our fellow citizens (this are real Italians, proud!) who are only the pretext to make us out. We draw out pride and pa.le because we have them and when they turn there is no for anyone... we fear all our European friends because we have creativity inventive skills. . . .

The problem is, like.

 

[Exatem]

la soluzione...there’s a voice that turns insistently into the environment. these “rumors” say that the Indian Coast Guard would intervene in rescue of a Greek ship attacked by pirates, shooting at everything in the water.
So the whole thing would have been covered up because...
perhaps because two fishermen were mistakenly hit during the shooting?
If this hypothesis seems exaggerated, it must be remembered that a little time before an Indian watch had taken a cannon a Thai vessel, which was believed in the hands of the pirates, causing 15 innocent victims. However, it was not necessary to apologize.
So if this were true the presence in the area of an Italian ship that claimed to have made fire against a pirate ship would happen on purpose.
so the corpses of the two pirates are cremated quickly and fury, the sunk vessel and the results of the artefacts perizie (while there are no more corpses who can contest them? ).

In short, every day that passes the situation seems to be increasingly tangled. Meanwhile, taking advantage of the chaos, there are those who have found the solution to solve the problem.

problem represented not by the Somali pirates, but by the riflemen who could find themselves in situations similar to those of rafts and latorre.

so the party of the ostriches (those that when there is a difficulty hide the head under the sand), of the true genialoids, found the panacea proposing to suspend the activities of contrast to piracy until it will be defined a specific norm.
waiting for a new law (who knows when ready seen our timing), the solution would be to suspend the protection of our merchants in the waters haunted by pirates. in the light of this new intelligent perspective, we see two numbers that better than any theory represent the state of things.

provided that the merchant navy carries out a strategic activity for the economic system of a country, ensuring supplies of raw materials and transport in import/export of finished products, it must be remembered that on the routes of the Indian ocean infested by the pirates, it travels 30% of the world oil cargos and almost 20% of the world trade.
States are therefore required to ensure the safety of crews and national interests, as well as to protect the freedom of international traffic. for this reason Italy is not the only country engaged in traffic protection activities in the area at risk of piracy.
in a geographical area as wide as an ocean, military marines cannot cover all routes so most states have decided to defend their merchant fleets by embarking armed nuclei on the Italian model. perhaps not everyone knows that even the france and the low countries preview the boarding of soldiers on board of merchant ships: the franc imposes on the shipowners only the costs of food and accommodation, while the honda has adopted a system equivalent to the Italian one.

from 2005 to 2012, data confirmed by confitarma (the association of shipowners), were attacked in the Indian Ocean area 41 Italian ships, of which 4 seized by the Somali pirates. the longest seizure was that of the “savina caylyn” and its crew lasted 316 days.
every day there are in the area at risk of piracy up to 10 Italian merchant ships and is evident the serious danger that looms on crews and ships.
Since 2011, some 160 Italian ship protections have been entrusted to San Marco with a drastic reduction in the number of attacks and no seizure. even worldwide, since the active defense on board the ships traveling to the Indian Ocean has increased, the seizure brought to an end by pirates has drastically decreased.

today we returned to the levels of 2007: it is only two ships seized still in the hands of the Somali pirates.
the suspension of this activity would leave to the mercy of the pirates our merchants who by law, can not currently board in private guards, in "contractors" . a "normal" country would not solve the question thus but would allow the shipowners to take advantage in all safety of the protection guaranteed by men prepared to this.

eliminate stocks will force shipowners to enroll their ships in foreign registers with further damage to the national economy or alternatively, run the risk of new seizures and payment of million ransoms (which are regularly denied).

 

[Fulvio Romano]

these “rumors” say that the Indian Coast Guard would intervene in rescue of a Greek ship attacked by pirates, shooting at everything in the water.

all these ships with the switched off? are not even military ships (and also these have obligation to tracking if outside war zones)

 

[Exatem]

all these ships with the switched off? are not even military ships (and also these have obligation to tracking if outside war zones)

our ship also has the...

Do you agree that this is an "international intrigue"?

just tonight the tg gave the news of the Indian military on a congo mission they would (but the conditional is an option), made protagonists of sexual abuse against minors.
but they will be judged in indiahttp://www.ilgiornale.it/news/esteri/i-caschi-blu-indiani-li-processano-patria.htmland we should have respected the word given?
and we must submit to the will of a European united to protect the French or German interests?
We should perhaps join the confederation of North African countries. . .

 

[Fulvio Romano]

our ship also has the...
Do you agree that this is an "international intrigue"?

In fact, I mean, at least the presence and position of the ships in the area should be public domain? Does it have this information, because it does not speak, at least to form public opinion?

just tonight the tg gave the news of the Indian military on a congo mission they would (but the conditional is an option), made protagonists of sexual abuse against minors.
but they will be judged in indiahttp://www.ilgiornale.it/news/esteri/i-caschi-blu-indiani-li-processano-patria.html

I always want to tell my brief Indian experience.
the attitude of the Indians is, as I call it, "I don't understand, but still you have to do what I say." and have this attitude from the graduates with a Ph.D. I worked with in European research projects (they were employed in European companies), the heads and the heads of the various departments, up to the last unskilled worker.

But I won't, I'll stay with the desire...

 

[Exatem]

In fact, I mean, at least the presence and position of the ships in the area should be public domain? Does it have this information, because it does not speak, at least to form public opinion?

In fact, Italy is immediately saying that the Italian ship was in international waters.
the problem is that there is no "super parters" arbitrator and it is here that European support, born and onu even if I am led to think that it is dependent on our diplomatic conduct.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

there are those who carry the voice of the people. among these, it seems, someone takes their job seriously.
[video=youtube;Q4qaPH1FDWI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q4qaph1fdwi[/video]:finger:

 

[Er Presidente]

there are those who carry the voice of the people. among these, it seems, someone takes their job seriously.



:finger:

I share every word.

 

[Exatem]

there are those who carry the voice of the people. among these, it seems, someone takes their job seriously.

even if I wrote the text was so good.:redface:

:4425::4425::4425:

it would be interesting to listen to the replica.. .

 

[Exatem]

fulvio made me an observation about the aisle of the enrica lexie.
I did some research and that's what came out of it.

the Italians claim that the enrica lexie, a ship of 58000 tons, was in international waters while the Indians, say the opposite.
but the ships are equipped with a transponder said ais (automatic identification system) adopted by the international maritime organization (imo) that records the position of the unit, so it should not be impossible to establish the position of the Italian merchant at 16.00 of 15 February 2012.
but unfortunately the trace is still at 05.34 of 26 February 2012 as it is found on the official website:http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/it/shipdetails.aspx?mmsi=247232700It is a pity that it would have sufficed to revive the question.

on 26 February at 05.34 the ship was here:

 

[MBT]

there are those who carry the voice of the people. among these, it seems, someone takes their job seriously.
[video=youtube;Q4qaPH1FDWI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q4qaph1fdwi[/video]:finger:

would be broadcast 5 times a day on every national, public or private network

 

[Exatem]

Sandra asked me why the international court of justice does not intervene directly on the dispute between Italy and India so I did some research.
the international court of justice (cig) is the main judicial body of the UN. It performs its functions in 1946, since it replaced the former permanent court of international justice, founded in 1921. its seat is located at the palace of peace of the aja.
According to the statute, the cig has a double role: to regulate, in accordance with international law, the legal disputes existing between the states (of which it was formally informed) and that of providing consultative opinions on legal issues submitted by the bodies and international agencies duly authorized. It consists of 15 judges who are renewed every nine years by the General Assembly and the Security Council of the UN even if the elections are held every three years electing a third of the judges. They cannot be judges of the same nationality and do not represent their own states. President and Vice-President are elected by the same court every three years. the international court may address only the member states of the United Nations and the court is competent only if the involved states accept its jurisdiction under agreements between states or if one or state has accepted the jurisdiction of the court in case of dispute with another state. procedures are defined in the 2000 Statute and provide for a first stage in which the parties submit written application and respond to the court therefore, a verbal phase of public hearings. when the court withdraws and deliberates, its decisions are definitive and without appeal. If one of the parties fails to fulfil its obligations, the other may appeal to the Security Council of the UN. the court uses two languages, English and French.
Now, I have not been able to find out how the controversy that opposes India has developed in this sense, but if one of the two states does not accept jurisdiction...

for details:http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/statuto_della_corte_internazionale_di_giustizia

 

[Cristallo]

would be broadcast 5 times a day on every national, public or private network

:finger:: finger:

 

[Sandra_ME30]

Now, I have not been able to find out how the controversy that opposes India has developed in this sense, but if one of the two states does not accept jurisdiction...
http://it.wikisource.org/wiki/statuto_della_corte_internazionale_di_giustizia

http://www.diritto.net/dirittonet-h...e-maro-nel-dirittointernazionale.html?start=1this article I found it extremely interesting and certainly clarifies many doubts.
but I still do not understand why the international court of justice or the international court of the sea do not intervene directly.

p. 3

both states are parties to the Convention of the United Nations on the Law of the Sea of 1982, which codifies much of the contemporary international law, which addresses the events occurring at sea and covers a series of central issues of the dispute between the two states.

the Italian authorities have submitted this statement attesting the reason that, in implementation of Article 287 of the Montego Bay Convention, for the solution of the dispute concerning the interpretation or application of the Convention on the Law of the Sea and of the agreement adopted in July 1994 concerning the implementation of the xi part, has chosen both the international court of justice and the international court of the sea, without specifying the precedence or the one or the other. (cut)
the Indian authorities, on the contrary, have not followed what is set out in Article 287, that is to say that they have deposed the declaration, but have submitted a statement in accordance with Article 36(2) of the Statute of the International Court of Justice, on the basis of which the States members of this Statute may at any time declare to recognize as mandatory ipso facto and without special convention, in relations with any other State which accepts the same legal disputes, the court’s the interpretation of a Treaty; any question of international law; the existence of any fact which, if ascertained, would constitute the violation of an international obligation; the nature or measure of the repair due to the violation of an international obligation, bindingly accepting the jurisdiction of that international body.
under the same conditions, this declaration would usually be able to determine jurisdiction with the international court of justice, this is achieved by reading the Italian declaration, mentioned above, according to the Montego bay Convention, together with the Indian one under the Statute of the International Court of Justice. both states have manifested the will to entrust themselves to the jurisdiction of the international court of justice. (cut)
the Indian authorities, in their declaration deposited at the Registry of the International Court of Justice, have excluded clearly the binding jurisdiction before the international court of justice for cases through the interpretation of multilateral treaties, unless all parties to the Treaty are involved in the case. The Montego Bay Convention is a real multilateral treaty and not every part of it would be part of the case of the international court of justice regarding the dispute between Italy and India. If these conditions rule and the case rests on Article 92, then the Montego Bay Convention will discipline the dispute and the annex will apply to it by requiring the arbitration at this point.

e pag. 5:

the norm which provides for the institution of functional immunity is a standard of customary character, and the custom, together with conventional agreements and unilateral acts of recognition, constitutes the primary source of norms in international law. There was also talk of uncertainty about the place where the tragic death of the two fishermen occurred, whether in international waters or not. from the legal point of view, it would change in any case little. functional immunity must be recognized in any way.

and again on page 7:

Article 97 of the Convention stipulates that the arrest or seizure of the ship cannot be arranged by any authority which is not the state of flag which has exclusive jurisdiction. this means that the decision of the kollam court that has laid the prison for the two maximal officers latorre and savior ray is illegitimate. but there is more to confirm the full Italian competence. the two military operating on board the enrica lexies acted according to Law No. 130 of 2 August 2011, adopted by Parliament to implement the resolutions of the Security Council of the UN. the nations have been united to ask the states to adopt more effective measures to combat piracy that proliferates in the waters off india and somaly. the military, sent on board a private ship to ensure the safety of navigation, act according to international law, in full respect of the military criminal code of peace, receiving orders not from the commander of the private ship, but from the military leadership. is the commander of the nucleus to have full responsibility for the operations carried out to counter piracy. the acts of the two military, therefore, are attributable to the state that, at most, could be called to respond with compensation of damage if it proves an illicitness of behavior. So it doesn't seem. the action of the Italian military, who have functional immunity as organs of the state with precise institutional tasks, took place in full respect of international rules. it was not a disproportionate action so much that the Italian military intervened, to ensure the protection of the ship from the risk of a pirate attack, first throwing warnings and only after opening fire from the oil tanker's bridge. In any case, if there was a mistake, the same Montego Bay Convention on the Law of the Sea stipulates that, in case of interventions motivated by a suspect of piracy which is then unfounded, the state is responsible only for the damages and losses caused by the

 

[tecnico_plast]

That was all our representatives. . .

 

[Exatem]

Of course it's a mess. Apparently they made us believe (to me first) that the periciousnesses were false and the artifact caliber to art, that the ship was elsewhere, that ours were not there and if there were, they slept... while instead the latest news on the story of the maro are disconcerting.

According to what was published by the republic, the government was already in possession of a detailed report by Admiral Alessandro piroli, the highest officer sent to India after the event.
According to this inquiry conducted by the high officer, the caliber of 4 bullets found in the bodies of the fishermen and on the boat, would indeed be 5.56 calibers born of Italian production i.e. the ammunition supplied to our troops. but, novelty in the novelty, they would not have been fired from latorre and group but from the rifles supplied to two other soldiers of the protection team of the enrica leixa. the report of the marina continues, “if the results obtained from Indian tests were confirmed or, as a result of further forensic activity recognized also by the Italian side, there was the attribute of the shots to the Italian military, at that point, in the relevant headquarters, it will have to be appurated if the action of fire was entirely conducted with the purpose of making warning shots in water erroneously or accidentally finished on board”.
I mean, to shoot and kill the two fishermen we were the only ones who arrested the wrong ones.

the report also shows that on the fishermen's bark that had approached up to 80 meters from the lexie, there would have been armed men. It remains to be clarified because the government in office, despite having a detailed investigation, failed to assert the right of the two maròs to be judged in Italy.

We read the admiral's report as reported by republic.

about 20 miles from the Indian coasts, reported in the newspaper on board, the radar sighted, at 16.25 local time, a boat at 2.8 miles away on the approach route. when the vessel is 800 metres from the enrica lexies, light signals are made while the rifles of the san marco show up the weapons, raising them above the head to show them to the crew of the vessel, which, however, continues in its collision course up to 500 meters away. the commander of the ship is certain that it is pirates and throws the general alarm through the intercom and operating the mist sirens. It is at this point that latoring and wandering shoot two bursts of warning in the water but the small boat does not deviate and continues in its course reaching less than 300 meters. Girone looks through the binoculars and alerts two crew members with a firearm and in a typical attitude from “addition”. Latorre shoots 4 more bullets in the water while on board the lexie the tension is at most. the vessel is now 100 meters and the two riflemen shoot a further gust in the water. Finally, when it is only 50 meters away, the fishing vessel turns and moves away.

Admiral Piroli also reports of "freddy", the commander of the vessel. freddy, the only witness of the story about 11 fishermen boarded, would have been awakened, after a night of fishing, from the noises coming from the blanket finding the helmsman already dead while the second was hit by the “continuous fire fired by the lexie” at that time. the rules of precedence at sea give the right to the vessel that comes from the right but it is unusual that, considering the different capacity of maneuver of the two units, the smallest maintains a collision course with a tanker up to less than 100 meters away with all the risks that follow it. this has made the behaviour of the vessel “dead” triggering the reaction of the personnel responsible for the defense of the tanker.

now we come to another aspect of the question analyzed by the admiral, who authorized the return to port of the Italian ship?
the ministry of defence answered: "the authorization to proceed to Indian territorial waters was given by the armed company, once contacted by the commander of the ship. However, due to the presence of the military nucleus of border protection, this occurred following prior information from the national military command chain."
therefore the decision was of the shipowner behind the nothing osta of the military navy because the crew received a call on the inmarsat from the Indian coast guard who asked the lexie to return to the port to identify two pirate boats. judicial cooperation with the Indian police at this point was obliged.. .

But how many straws do we still have to swallow? Why hasn't the official cards of the story yet been made public?
The fact remains that, if we actually killed the two fishermen, the jurisdiction is however Italian (net of other dances told us). because if the responsibility of the Italian military was found, at that point, it will have to be ascertained whether the action of fire was entirely carried out with the purpose of making warning shots in accidentally finished water on board, or if it has intentionally decided to fire on the ship, even if one thing would seem to be discounted: will be Indian justice to keep the process on the death of fishermen taking into account the evidence in his possession.

now the ball passes to the “nia” that is the Indian police specialized in the repression of terrorist acts that will have to take care of the new investigations on the death of two Indian fishermen.

remains the will to bring home two of our soldiers victims also of the minchite centrifuge in which we are finished.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

the rules of precedence at sea give the right to the vessel

the vessel in question is always called "native", but I would like to understand in reality its stance. I have my doubts that a parent can navigate high.
If it were actually a ship, or a small boat, it is not true that coming straight from it gave him the right to route. an oil tanker of 104,000 tons such as lexie is to be considered limited to maneuverability compared to a vessel, although it does not expose the rbr headlight.
I remember that sailing boats also give priority to tankers, although the regulation says they would precede.
unless it was a genesis vessel, then the right of route is there.

[...]it must be ascertained whether the action of fire has been entirely conducted with the purpose of making warning shots in accidentally finished water on board, or if it has intentionally decided to fire on the vessel[...]

And the angle of bullets? A dance, too?

 

[numero1]

would be broadcast 5 times a day on every national, public or private network

Since we are at the statements and movies of the "citizens", and since we have + times spoken (to wrong or to reason) of the eight September in this 3ad .........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrdm0dx0goa

 

[Exatem]

the vessel in question is always called "native", but I would like to understand in reality its stance. I have my doubts that a parent can navigate high.
If it were actually a ship, or a small boat, it is not true that coming straight from it gave him the right to route. an oil tanker of 104,000 tons such as lexie is to be considered limited to maneuverability compared to a vessel, although it does not expose the rbr headlight.
I remember that sailing boats also give priority to tankers, although the regulation says they would precede.
unless it was a genesis vessel, then the right of route is there.

Let's forget the technical subtleties.
I have also used several times the naming term not to repeat fishing boat or something, including journalists. and let us also lose the fact that Indian vessels respect the rules of navigation of height.
those are capable of attempting to double head horn with the bathtub.

And the angle of bullets? A dance, too?

There are so many inconsistencies that I no longer know what to think and who to believe. . .