cnc machine design or food automation?

[oliofrusto]

I do not say that the university is useless, but I say that it could be carried out in a much better way by integrating theory to practical applications at firms in the area, or serious laboratories like in germany or Swiss precisely.

try asking a three-year graduate to perform engine sizing to move a tool machine... I was not able and I learned (for simple machines) during the internship, not thanks to the university.

other college comrades, for example, told me that during the interviews the examiner asked several questions like:
because in a hydraulic press I have the hydraulic pistons of greater section that work for compression of the press and those of retraction of the press with less section ? he did not know, I yes because I am passionate and because I worked as self-parator.

asked him where a screw breaks if you reach maximum tensile stress? he did not know, I would have known thanks to the reasoning and the work of self-parator that I have done.

I could do many more examples.

in the second company in fact had a graduate engineer with 5 years master, taken in test for 3 months and left at home for total inability to reason. . . among the many wrong things saw that on the design there was a 5 mm hole then ordered a m5 fitting (also quite expensive) without considering that the 5 mm hole wants a m6 thread.
I know these things thanks to the self-parator work.
Then maybe he'll leave me home, too, but on those things a little experience I have.


manual drawings are safe for small pieces and fast realization, but then they go side by side with a software system or it becomes difficult to catalog them... especially after several years, to replicate a particular car that is located hundreds of km.
in any case I have not criticized the way to work of this excellent technician.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

try to ask a three-year graduate to perform engine sizing to move a tool machine. . . I wasn't able and I learned (for simple machines) during the internship, not thanks to the university.

So you as a graduate before you experienced were in the same situation as those who would like the question to be asked. What changes between you two?
Why should this imaginary graduate put in a technical study where he is flanked in work not know how to do it after some time?
Getting your hands dirty helps you learn certain practical notions that help you avoid madornal misfortunes, but it does not mean that those who leave the technical office cannot reach good levels in a short time. all you need in every field of work at the beginning of your career is someone who follows, who explains and who corrects.
If you had been left to yourself you would have learned nothing because it is not fixing 10 hours a day a lathe that you understand how to calculate its motorization.
Could you explain to me what a m5 fitting is?
the things that you mention at the expense of the graduates you learn even without doing self-reparator and the only thing that they denote is that the ignorant are everywhere and that only experience is the first teacher, that you are using an English key like a three-dimensional cad.

 

[oliofrusto]

You don't understand what I mean.

ok the Italian university is the top... happy?

Who talked about watching a lathe? who talked about learning software by self-repairing? Who said that a guy who just left the university must be a champion at work?

I repeat for the umpteenth time... the university should be carried out in another way, especially for those following professional address.
This is my opinion.. .
for the salary that takes a designer you could well do more and you earned more and I would already work for years.

I didn't see this connection, the company owner told me. m5 is the thread size. If the thread is wrong, I don't care what's next, I don't work on that project.

nowadays it is difficult to find a company in which you follow and explain step by step.
So much so that even at the internship I went to get some files in the archive where they had been made accounts about engine size and I studied them alone.


Let's close it here with the university question... 2 pages that you're talking about now. Everyone has his ideas.

 

[oliofrusto]

However they are chosen.. I wanted to put forward with practice, others not and now they pay the consequences. . .
It's not that I'm advantageous to this other guy for a casualty... I took advantage because I was busy. Nobody gave me anything.

Maybe if he had my practical experience that so much snobbish they would have taken him

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

to me it seems that you are making your experience the milestone of the working situation of people.
So everyone should behave like you because the results will be the same. no matter how many variables can be at stake: in people, in jobs, in the paths that one does and in the environments where it is, in the end everything will converge in your zero point.
for me is presumption.

 

[PierArg]

according to my opinion:

- the fact of stopping at the three-year period, especially for engineering, is not seen in a positive way because it is as if it had not "completed" a path

- talk like my old classmates, who abandoned after 6 months the university, who allegedly said that they were ahead of others because at 14 years they were in the garage to slew on the scooters.

The university must give you concepts and knowledge. practice can come later.
Keep in mind that practice can do it all, the theory does not find it in the workshop.

p.s. all my colleagues who stopped at the three-year term or ended up in the workshop or tried to recover by doing a master's degree.

 

[rero]

personal experience: (even I'm bazzico between pc and pr and I know the good sectors) machine tool companies are the first to go into crisis when lacks the opportunity to make investments, packaging and food in general well or badly always pull. do not underestimate even, given the area, the oil & gas if something happens to you, even if it is not a fantastic time now.

 

[oliofrusto]

I would have liked oil & gas sector, but unfortunately here some companies in the sector have passed from 200 workers to 50 in two years.
I was engulfed by the fact of the high salary for travels and long resting perids between one trip and the other but I never tried since I practically had no time between exams and various commitments.

At this point I will definitely go on the food company as it is near home, I collaborate with the owner who is a very passionate person of mechanics and you see that he wants me to learn.

I think it's the firm where I can learn more in a short time and then the internship is only 3 months (after I don't know how it would take me, I have to talk to him on Monday).

 

[oliofrusto]

I accepted the internship in the company that produces food packaging plants.
3-month internship to take practicality with software and if I go well future intake.
I feel honest with the salary of 750 euros cleaned.

I will also use inventor 2015 with which I find myself enough (I am at university level) well having studied it the first year of university and also I am going to go home on my pc.
Then they also use qs17 if I well understood that it is a 2d program that from what I understood is created and sold by a parme company.



Do you have any links where he explains a bit the assemblies? We've done very little in college. are good both for manual drawing and 3d.

 

[oliofrusto]

However even in this company of realization machines for food automation is used only 2d ahah