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consiglio software tornitura

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not more than 3000-4000 euros including post processor.
last year we were about to buy a new lathe (mazak 250) at post of the
Death
then the crisis started and so we had to change programs. .
I wanted to spend as much as possible, so maybe in better times we'll buy it and sell the mori...
was just not to let a car stop just for the cnc handle.
for the rest is a great machine (with the limitations due to age of course:
For example, in addition to the cnc problem, the presetting is missing, the quilt is not in cycle, mapping is not synchronized. ).
for rigidity and much better than new mazaks
but the latter are very + flexible. .
 
with that figure I think something you can find but you should ask for offers and evaluate different cams.
at this point you should take a product that you can then use with all the machines you possibly have by changing only the post according to the control.
I repeat you have to hear the software vendors.

Hi.
 
is right dirotec, do not block you on 500 or 100 euros extra with the excuse that perhaps in the future you will sell the current lathe.
Once you have a flexible and "robust" cam, or reliable, you have laid the foundations to be able to use it for any machine and any control that is compatible with the program.
Do you change your car or retrofit an existing one tomorrow? no problem, you add a new postprocessor or even only you edit the existing one and you start, perhaps using, reprocessing them, the same programs that were used on the previous machine.
 
So if I decide, I think I'm evaluating "edgecam," the salesman is 4 km away.
away from my shop, so if I have any problems, I can find them in no time.
the only problem and that I have to evaluate the cost of edgecam(if you feel it a good program) and ask if they can only sell me the package
simple turning (not motorized).
Thank you.
However if they had to do custom post processor based
on the manual of my dying I see it hard (I have already written that you don't understand a bat and it's full of mistakes).
I don't know how they can do... if they're only based on that. .
 
kail said:
So if I decide, I think I'm evaluating "edgecam," the salesman is 4 km away.
away from my shop, so if I have any problems, I can find them in no time.
the only problem and that I have to evaluate the cost of edgecam(if you feel it a good program) and ask if they can only sell me the package
simple turning (not motorized).
Thank you.
However if they had to do custom post processor based
on the manual of my dying I see it hard (I have already written that you don't understand a bat and it's full of mistakes).
I don't know how they can do... if they're only based on that. .
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I know for certain that edge cam provides a fully working demo cd with the only limitation that you do not have the exit for nc. I myself request for my client, so you should try it and see how you are.
regarding the post before doing it do caution in the sense that until you see turning in the car a list made with the dedicated post you do not pay them.
they are all able to words then when they do problems.
I repeat if you have other machines, take a cam with everything you need, because if you then add some forms later, they will slaughter you.
Hi.
 
Dirotec said:
I know for certain that edge cam provides a fully working demo cd with the only limitation that you do not have the exit for nc. I myself request for my client, so you should try it and see how you are.
regarding the post before doing it do caution in the sense that until you see turning in the car a list made with the dedicated post you do not pay them.
they are all able to words then when they do problems.
I repeat if you have other machines, take a cam with everything you need, because if you then add some forms later, they will slaughter you.
Hi.
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I don't pay them until they show me that with their post I see some work done. My question was if they were based on my manual to make the post because if they are based on what I think there will be problems as I have already explained. . .
besides that cnc I have another self-learning lathe with software
simplified programming and a mazak vtc20-b(com mazatrol) working center.
with the other 2 machines I do not have programming problems in fact I do not use the iso
 
normally they are based on the control manual but it is not said that they have not already done it for some other customer, you try to hear them.
however both manual or not manual is their job if they are able well otherwise steps to another brand of cam.

Hi.
 
Usually postprocessors for the most common controls (the 10-t is old, but at the time there were around bizzeffe) are already available in a version that you could define base.
then to the installation the technician makes a "tuning" of the postprocessor both to adapt it to the specific version of the control (for example, always remaining to the fanuc there can be a 0t in a-b-c-d version) that also to try to adapt the output to the specific needs and also habits of the workshop that uses the machine.
so you usually get the sw with the postprocessor in a configuration valid at 70-80% and already enough to turn the machine for quite simple details.
Then, once you check this, the technician will start working on the changes you will ask him. so more than the manual would be appropriate to have the list of programs that you already use, maybe in order to make with the cam the same pieces, then immediately see the differences between program generated by cam and handwritten program.

Usually on the most dated controls is that there are many things to change, also because often there are no fixed cycles (which are those that often give more problems) and therefore the cam must be limited to emularli with sequences of interpolation movements type g1 and g0.
 
the fixed cycles on the 10-t exist and I have always used them, at least those understandable. .
For example, how the thread cycle is explained is a shameful thing
.
I could ask myself to use the cam by "puting " only rows containing rapids and advances in processing. . .
in this case would not need a post processor, maybe, seen
that rapids and advances at work are not goo and go1 on any fanuc?
in that case the problem perhaps would become the memory of the cn (very limited at the time) because of the multitude of lines that would take us not using cycles...
 
Maybe you don't understand a concept:
the postprocessor always takes us, even if it had to pull out programs written only in g1 and g0, including the curves, which once, taaaanti years ago, were made as sequence of segments in g1.

so at least 1 postprocessor you must have it (and pay).
the difference between a postprocessor in pure iso and a cut to measure for a certain control lies in the fact that it can use all the typical sophistications of that certain control, both to reduce the length of programs and to use functions such as cycles, macros and parameters that allow a more fluid processing.
 
Try to see here www.visualcadcam.it , the software is not bad and should be a bit easier than the various edgecam, mastercam etc...
have surely worked with the lathes grace old people...
Maybe let us know how much they would make you spend, even because a software below a certain level just don't recommend it.
Since the machine is good you never thought of a retrofit with the upgrade of the cn? if you plan a lot on the machine maybe it is the best solution.
However the fanuc 10t was not too bad to plan, I think it already had several fixed cycles both of turning and drilling, however if you are looking on the net you will surely find a manual also in Italian with some example.
In fact, it is not that the latter have changed a lot, at least the basic version.
It is almost identical to that of 15 years ago, and it is certainly a hardware bomb.
 
call delcam italia
have both partmaker and featurecam
I asked for curiosity (not having returned home but being willing to evaluate it if it is cabbage of crisis passes....) and told me that it starts from about 3000 euros
Chimarli costs nothing
 
Hello, guys.
a greeting to all and a thanks to all those who
several months ago, virtually beating on my shoulders, they advised me to tighten my teeth.

thanks to all for your precious advice, the worst has passed. but now
I am faced with more complex processes and new needs.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
on this. I am about to buy a cad/cam for my lathe haas sl-20 with axis c.

to today I could see live spirit e edgecam e mastercam, all already anticipated
as shopping, and I must confess that 100 plus 100 minus the prices are aligned.

use is very similar, always in great lines, I could not deepen
in detail but they really seem to turn on a single platform.

It seems!

you expert users, of the three cams mentioned what would you recommend? :finger:

Thank you all.
 
bulinorotto said:
give an eye to featurecam
I recommend.has a feature that is afr
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Maybe you refer to featureturn of delcam.

in the website of delcam italia I did not find featurecam, from whom
is distributed in Italy?


What would this feature be?

Hello thank you:finger:
 
all about the "family" featurecam you find on the site www.featurecam.comSpecifically, this is the featureturn pagehttp://featurecam.com/general/software/featureturn.aspdistribution in Italy is curated by the synthesis of scarmagno (to)www.sintesicadcam.itafr stands for automatic feature recognition (automatic recognition of the characteristics of the 3d model) and is one of the salient characteristics of the fc (not by chance it is from there that the featurecam name comes).
for milling is a very convenient function, although in my opinion every now and then a little "invading".
about turning I don't know, not having that module, but I think the best gives it with the use of motorized and multifunctional.

download the soft so demo and try to see what you can do with it.
:smile:
 
absolutely agree with meccbell except for one aspect
is sold and supported directly by delcam italia
the site sincerely makes a little...... and I think it is not even updated
they say that soon they will pass everything under the domnio .com(to honor the truth is for a while they say it)
I bought the mill 2d with afr from them and my partner took the prte turnmill with axis b afr simulator etc etc.
coming from powermill is all another thing.the afr is very automatic but after a while I managed to do things as I want and not as he wants! !
the use for the processing of the mould parts (table columns etc) and for the roughing of some particular aircraft
afr recognizes in the model the working characteristics.
if it finds a pocket it recognizes and associates a fine-sided, smooth working cycle, etc. automatically depending on the machine and database tools you have created.
 
thanks for the advice, as always punctual and very useful.

synthesis distributes featurecam,
Now I'll contact you for a quote.

on the next bet :biggrin:
 
synthesis is an authorized retailer
have a green number on their website
I bought it from delcam italia directly avoiding a lap luuungo luuungo
know that they have doverse locations in Italy and one in the bologna area
I am followed by the headquarters of legnano (mi)
 
Mom, what a mess.
but because the mother house does not put
In line these traders.
They can complicate the simplest things.

thanks I will contact you
 

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