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[Steppermotor]

Unfortunately, @wert I have the impression that the generation of current teachers of technical institutes have already been formed without workshop, adjustment, machine tools, carpentry (in 1° itis), truschino, lima etc etc.
So just old memories, it will do everything, good and fast... when this will be hoped to be already retired.

 

[yas]

If a technical institute, which should form mechanical experts, does not do even an hour of workshop, it will increasingly be a problem for our metalworking industry. without knowing what he'd do, it'd be enough to learn how to track a piece. If you've traced a few pieces, then you can also quote. without a minimum of practice, of dexterity, without having ever taken a caliber, what do they think to form??? I don't know. Maybe they think he'll do it all. But in the meantime they claim that they know how to make the harvests at the table without teaching them how to do it. I'm disoriented!

Unfortunately, @wert I have the impression that the generation of current teachers of technical institutes have already been formed without workshop, adjustment, machine tools, carpentry (in 1° itis), truschino, lima etc etc.
So just old memories, it will do everything, good and fast... when this will be hoped to be already retired.

In fact, my teachers are very competent and good, the problem is the school system. from the moment the norm prohibits us to use the machinery and to go to the workshop for reasons of safety you can not do much. I admit I have a lot of difficulties in drawing, I'm always busy but I just can't understand it.

 

[yas]

Unfortunately, @wert I have the impression that the generation of current teachers of technical institutes have already been formed without workshop, adjustment, machine tools, carpentry (in 1° itis), truschino, lima etc etc.
So just old memories, it will do everything, good and fast... when this will be hoped to be already retired.

and that's why I kindly ask you to direct me/give me some indication/advice to view sections and quote drawings.

 

[wert]

In fact, my teachers are very competent and good, the problem is the school system. from the moment the norm prohibits us to use the machinery and to go to the workshop for reasons of safety you can not do much. I admit I have a lot of difficulties in drawing, I'm always busy but I just can't understand it.

It would be a little... As I wrote, drawing a dozen pieces would make you understand so much. and to trace there are no dangerous tools or machinery. but if the school has left this path, I can only say to you in good luck for your future. I initially turned to you thinking you were a boy... Sorry.

 

[yas]

It would be a little... As I wrote, drawing a dozen pieces would make you understand so much. and to trace there are no dangerous tools or machinery. but if the school has left this path, I can only say to you in good luck for your future. I initially turned to you thinking you were a boy... Sorry.

All right, thank you. I've been tracking a tide of boards, but nothing keeps getting insufficient. in the summer I traced about 20 tables, but I still keep wrong.
Thanks again

 

[yas]

It would be a little... As I wrote, drawing a dozen pieces would make you understand so much. and to trace there are no dangerous tools or machinery. but if the school has left this path, I can only say to you in good luck for your future. I initially turned to you thinking you were a boy... Sorry.

For example, the holes I have always listed in section , I didn't think it was necessary to share them always in view

 

[yas]

I put down a quick board of how I would do it.

Hello, thank you very much but I have a doubt. what should change if you sections the hole as you did in the aa section from how I did that I split two holes at once. Thank you very much.
I do the holes section because they are hidden and I do it also to quote them. I don't know if it's correct as what

 

[infallibile_GF]

bha... the only subject I studied at school and that then served me in the world of work was technical design. in my time, late 80s, it was 6 hours of drawing a week. and then I remember the afternoons at school to fill pieces of rusty iron in the hours of workshop. There I learned to use the micrometer, the comparator, the truschino, the match plan, the blue ink and the 20th-course caliber. that now my younger colleagues, when I mix with non-digital caliber, look at me like an alien.

 

[Catafratto]

How does your professor motivate insufficiency? this to understand the direction to take with the tips.
How's class? Maybe it's not just you, and then maybe the zoptical teaching.. .

then don't break down, keep in mind that:
1) the fact that you perceive a professor as good does not imply that it is actually;
2) the best of professors can simply be "wrong" for you and taking a different approach sometimes problems disappear... lived on the skin, among other things in drawing in the biennium itis and went to repetition where in two/three lessons happened the miracle, which then miracle was not but only right advice for my specific problems.

p.s.
the plot is not to draw (which is to draw) but, coarsely, to mark on the physical piece where to make work such as drilling. tracking some physical piece makes you understand the useful odds to put on the table because you see which are more comfortable at the moment telle physical operations and which are uncomfortable or just useless even if corrected by drawing.

 

[yas]

How does your professor motivate insufficiency? this to understand the direction to take with the tips.
How's class? Maybe it's not just you, and then maybe the zoptical teaching.. .

then don't break down, keep in mind that:
1) the fact that you perceive a professor as good does not imply that it is actually;
2) the best of professors can simply be "wrong" for you and taking a different approach sometimes problems disappear... lived on the skin, among other things in drawing in the biennium itis and went to repetition where in two/three lessons happened the miracle, which then miracle was not but only right advice for my specific problems.

p.s.
the plot is not to draw (which is to draw) but, coarsely, to mark on the physical piece where to make work such as drilling. tracking some physical piece makes you understand the useful odds to put on the table because you see which are more comfortable at the moment telle physical operations and which are uncomfortable or just useless even if corrected by drawing.

in reality my insufficiency is due more to the quotas and more than half the class is insufficient

 

[yas]

How does your professor motivate insufficiency? this to understand the direction to take with the tips.
How's class? Maybe it's not just you, and then maybe the zoptical teaching.. .

then don't break down, keep in mind that:
1) the fact that you perceive a professor as good does not imply that it is actually;
2) the best of professors can simply be "wrong" for you and taking a different approach sometimes problems disappear... lived on the skin, among other things in drawing in the biennium itis and went to repetition where in two/three lessons happened the miracle, which then miracle was not but only right advice for my specific problems.

p.s.
the plot is not to draw (which is to draw) but, coarsely, to mark on the physical piece where to make work such as drilling. tracking some physical piece makes you understand the useful odds to put on the table because you see which are more comfortable at the moment telle physical operations and which are uncomfortable or just useless even if corrected by drawing.

Moreover the quotas prefer it on the sections more than clutter the view

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

in reality my insufficiency is due more to the quotas and more than half the class is insufficient

first you have to take insufficient drawings and analyze them critically asking why the scored quota is wrong and how it could correct; It is a difficult and frustrating job, but it trains you to design analysis.
then asks a student who did not take the insufficiency of confronting and being explained why he chose a certain type of quotation; It is important to understand the logic behind the choice of quotas.

drawing quotation is not a copy and paste exercise for which tens of patterns are stored at good point. the same plate with four holes can have different quotation depending on the application.
If you, instead of listing exactly as the examples from which you extracted the views, you have invented new ones, listing for example the distance between the hole center and tangency is evident that you have not understood the function of the quotation. It's natural that you take the insufficiency.
the forum is overflowing, but really, of correct and commented drawings and it would not be impossible to find these from you inserted being drawn more or less always from the same book. Moreover the forum has several dispenses on the drawing, but you will never find one that describes that particular must be quoted in that way because the quotation is an analysis and logic work even if it is in exercise fine to itself and does not know the application

 

[yas]

first you have to take insufficient drawings and analyze them critically asking why the scored quota is wrong and how it could correct; It is a difficult and frustrating job, but it trains you to design analysis.
then asks a student who did not take the insufficiency of confronting and being explained why he chose a certain type of quotation; It is important to understand the logic behind the choice of quotas.

drawing quotation is not a copy and paste exercise for which tens of patterns are stored at good point. the same plate with four holes can have different quotation depending on the application.
If you, instead of listing exactly as the examples from which you extracted the views, you have invented new ones, listing for example the distance between the hole center and tangency is evident that you have not understood the function of the quotation. It's natural that you take the insufficiency.
the forum is overflowing, but really, of correct and commented drawings and it would not be impossible to find these from you inserted being drawn more or less always from the same book. Moreover the forum has several dispenses on the drawing, but you will never find one that describes that particular must be quoted in that way because the quotation is an analysis and logic work even if it is in exercise fine to itself and does not know the application

All right, thank you very much

 

[infallibile_GF]

breaking a spear, indeed a pencil, in favor of our young friend yas, I am told that these drawings of these pieces to be quoted, have no, or little, correlation with the construction reality of the manufacturing industry. are pieces to be quoted for exclusive didactic use. If one really had to build that piece, those odds would make little sense. a piece like this would be built in two stages: first it would be necessary to quote the raw piece to be built by fusion, or forging, or even to obsessive and then a second drawing for machining quotas to machine tools to create holes and cutters.
Instead it is quoted as if it was created by the full, but a piece of the genre created by the full would make little sense and certainly would not have all those workings of "digging", also because the work necessary to realize it would be very long and expensive.
This becomes difficult to establish how a piece of this kind should be quoted, not knowing how it will be realized, there is no "just" method to quote it. In fact, I would say that the correct method of representing it is to do it as your teacher wants.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

this, as most student drawings are exercises that exult the construction. serve to take confidence with technical regulations (thick lines, size arrows and quotas, provisions seen and texts, etc...) and with the logic of quotation.
if you forget a quota, on a particular complex, or you put a tolerance instead of another one has little weight, but if you quota in a board starting from a tangency or you have horizontal texts even on the vertical quotas there is study work to be done upstream.