diploma or mechanical expert?

[DESIGN]

Hi guys, it's a little bit I didn't write on the forum.
I would need a good advice....the short will, I am in possession of a simple qualification as a cad operator, I have always worked as a mechanical designer in the various companies (about 7 years) until the decision to open a p.iva and collaborate around for companies......from about two years I work full time for an engineering study that deals with building works, industrial plants and photovoltaics. ....
now I would like to recover with my studies to take a diploma....but I don't know if to point on the mechanical expert (3 years in 1, 4a and 5a) or geometra ( 5 years + internship and examination). ...according to you a mechanical expert could take care of the same work as a geometer if later I wanted to open my own studio...?
Thank you. .

 

[Tristan]

According to you, a mechanical expert could take care of the same work as a geometer if later I wanted to open my own studio...?

absolutely no! an industrial expert will never do the work of the geometra and vice versa! What's the question? ?

 

[DESIGN]

It's a question....the fact is that I already do the work of the gemetra but it is signed the engineer of the study.... my question is more directed to the achievement of the title and possible opening technical study....in particular I would like to continue on this road but to take the diploma from geometra it costs me 5 years more internship and skill while, apart from the study, that of the peritum is simpler.... but if I myself ? I hope I've explained better... .

 

[PierArg]

It's a question....the fact is that I already do the work of the gemetra but it is signed the engineer of the study.... my question is more directed to the achievement of the title and possible opening technical study....in particular I would like to continue on this road but to take the diploma from geometra it costs me 5 years more internship and skill while, apart from the study, that of the peritum is simpler.... but if I myself ? I hope I've explained better... .

Hi.
According to me the geometra is more spendable for a future activity on its own.

many mechanical engineers (including me) are not enrolled in the atbo for this reason. with the new reform I could only devote myself to the industrial sector.
I'd better work part time as an employee for a studio that doesn't open one myself.
as you can notice this sector, privately, makes very little. the civil sector is clearly different.

I recommend the geometra.

 

[DESIGN]

Hi.
According to me the geometra is more spendable for a future activity on its own.

many mechanical engineers (including me) are not enrolled in the atbo for this reason. with the new reform I could only devote myself to the industrial sector.
I'd better work part time as an employee for a studio that doesn't open one myself.
as you can notice this sector, privately, makes very little. the civil sector is clearly different.

I recommend the geometra.

In fact, another point is precisely this.....from my parts many experts deal with constructions, of course working for studies or enterprises.....the problem of the diploma from geometra is the internship and the examination, otherwise I must always support myself to some engineer (as now)....without counting that I should do the 5 years one at a time..... I do not graduate for the perito no.... my problem is that I would continue to do the job that I do

 

[sampom]

absolutely not! an industrial expert will never do the work of the geometra.... .

Well, it's not really said.
instead of Viceversa I would agree more.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[sampom]

but if I wanted to design an iron, wood or masonry strutturina, the peritum could do so...? ? ....

Yes, absolutely!

greetings
Mar

 

[GP.]

...the expert's diploma is better... but if I get the one from geometra if I don't do the skill I don't do anything. . .

also the experts must do the practicing and the examination of qualification for the exercise of the profession.

...and in this study we talk about small dams, canals, hydroelectric constructions, etc....

I don't think these jobs are "signable" by graduate technicians.

 

[DESIGN]

also the experts must do the practicing and the examination of qualification for the exercise of the profession.




I don't think these jobs are "signable" by graduate technicians.

I would like to continue but also to be able to sign small construction works not at those levels... at the levels precisely of a geometra....if the expert also needs the practitioner and the exam I'd like to receive a diploma from geometra. .

 

[GP.]

I didn't know about the skill and practice of the expert... .

In fact, the practitioner would not be indispensable if they have other requirements:
may participate in the state examination for the attainment of professional qualification for the exercise of the profession, those who have at least one of the following requirements:

• have provided, for at least three years, subordinate technical activity, even outside a professional technical study, with duties proper to the diploma specialization;

• have attended a special two-year high school for special purposes, established pursuant to the decree of the president of the republic 10 March 1982, n.162, aimed at the field of specialization relating to the diploma;

• have completed a two-year period of training and work with contract pursuant to Article 3, paragraph 14, of the Decree-Law 30 October 1984, n.726, converted, with modifications, from the Law of 19 December 1984, n. 863, with duties proper to the specialization relating to the diploma;

• have provided a period of two-year practice during which the industrial expert has collaborated on the completion of practices falling within the meaning of the Royal Decree of 11 February 1929, n. 275, and of the Law of 12 March 1957, n. 146, and subsequent modifications, in the professional skills of the specialization relating to the diploma;

• have a higher degree of study than the degree of industrial expert (laurea), of an inherent class (e.g. degree in chemistry, degree in electronic engineering, degree in civil engineering).

 

[DESIGN]

Well, thank you.
So at this point the major obstacle is the achievement of the diploma... .

Thank you.

 

[Tristan]

Well, it's not really said.
instead of Viceversa I would agree more.

I doubt that a mechanical expert has an idea of how to perform a fractionation, pick up in the countryside or build a real estate. After that, if we remain within the framework of the constructions, I doubt that itis teach you to calculate steel structures and reinforced concrete. Last thing, of which I am not sure: a mechanical expert enrolled in the atbo can sign a project of a pedestrian walkway? mhm...
Of course if the need for design is to sign projects of dams and channels I believe that he needs the degree in engineering, other than graduation from geometra!

 

[DESIGN]

I doubt that a mechanical expert has an idea of how to perform a fractionation, pick up in the countryside or build a real estate. After that, if we remain within the framework of the constructions, I doubt that itis teach you to calculate steel structures and reinforced concrete. Last thing, of which I am not sure: a mechanical expert enrolled in the atbo can sign a project of a pedestrian walkway? mhm...
Of course if the need for design is to sign projects of dams and channels I believe that he needs the degree in engineering, other than graduation from geometra!

My need is not to sign dams, I also know that it takes a bachelor's degree...in fact where I work I sign the engineer.... but I project and I would like to stay in this branch.... my need is to be able to perform small construction works on my own without having to support engineers.

As my working experiences have always been applied to the world of mechanics obtaining a mechanical expert diploma for me could be easier, even for the only reason to be able to do 3 years in one and then 4a and 5a......all here....but in the end if I have to enable myself to the free profession also as perito at this point I choose the geometra and stay in the field where I work now.... .

However both there are a lot of geometries from my parts that design mechanical equipment and many experts working at construction companies that design buildings of course are boys not enabled to the free profession that work as employees....the world of work is various you should know. . . .

Hi.

 

[Tristan]

However both there are a lot of geometries from my parts that design mechanical equipment and many experts working at construction companies that design buildings of course are boys not enabled to the free profession that work as employees....the world of work is various you should know. . . .

the concept is simple: you want Sign up building/architectural projects? You can't do this if you're not in the geometries' register, and with a mechanical expert diploma I doubt you can enroll in that albo.

 

[JUMPY_75]

hi design pleasure to meet you on the blog.

I am a mechanical expert enrolled at the beginning and I am the owner of a technical study that deals with mechanical and thermotechnical design.

I am enrolled in the atbo as I also deal with thermotechnics and firefighting otherwise for the rest the inscription I need little. To give you an example for the law I could design an oil press autonomously (and no one asks me to stamp the drawings) but I can not design a 2 m long walkway on which pedestrians transit or a normal industrial loft.

As far as I know about the geometries I work with more than real design, they essentially live in the direction of works and cathartic practices and this unfortunately has nothing to do with the mechanical expert.

If the design of "simple" properties is not allowed, the characteristics of which do not require any calculation process to establish instrumental suitability while steel structures are an exclusive engineer.

if you can help with the professional skills of the experts you must still adhere to r.d. n.275 of 11/02/1929 a law that has more than eighty years but that is still in effect.

if you want my opinion is that a geometra is more "popular" as sooner or later everyone needs a technician for divisions, walls, distances from borders etc. the industrial expert in this case that mechanic works only in the mechanical/thermotechnical field and to start a study you must have several customers acquired otherwise you turn your thumbs.

Surely they are two professions dive either by operation or by law.

 

[DESIGN]

hi design pleasure to meet you on the blog.

I am a mechanical expert enrolled at the beginning and I am the owner of a technical study that deals with mechanical and thermotechnical design.

I am enrolled in the atbo as I also deal with thermotechnics and firefighting otherwise for the rest the inscription I need little. To give you an example for the law I could design an oil press autonomously (and no one asks me to stamp the drawings) but I can not design a 2 m long walkway on which pedestrians transit or a normal industrial loft.

As far as I know about the geometries I work with more than real design, they essentially live in the direction of works and cathartic practices and this unfortunately has nothing to do with the mechanical expert.

If the design of "simple" properties is not allowed, the characteristics of which do not require any calculation process to establish instrumental suitability while steel structures are an exclusive engineer.

if you can help with the professional skills of the experts you must still adhere to r.d. n.275 of 11/02/1929 a law that has more than eighty years but that is still in effect.

if you want my opinion is that a geometra is more "popular" as sooner or later everyone needs a technician for divisions, walls, distances from borders etc. the industrial expert in this case that mechanic works only in the mechanical/thermotechnical field and to start a study you must have several customers acquired otherwise you turn your thumbs.

Surely they are two professions dive either by operation or by law.

Hi jumpy,
all much clearer, my doubt was only about the "speed" in the pursuit of the diploma, because mechanically I am more prepared while for a diploma from geometra I have to practically study new subjects.....the fact is that with the work I am following (and that I like very much) the preparation from geometra would help me a lot because it approaches more to the tasks I carry out, in this study also we are dealing with thermotechnical and fire and only .

Thank you.

 

[Giuseppe Mauro]

Well, that I know, there is a branch of experts with building specialization (the industrial building expert), which has all added equivalence with the geometra, such as training and skills.

from this I deduce that an industrial expert (mechanical), does not and cannot have the same skills as the industrial expert (edile) or the industrial expert (chemical), but this not only at a formative level, but also legal.
many years ago the building expert was not subject to the qualification, but today yes, so they are equivalent as commitment, at the level of registration to the albo.

With regard to the formative differences between the figures of meccani perito and geometra, I believe there are some subjects that the mechanical expert does not consider minimally (existing type, topography, construction and construction technology) while the geometra does not deal with mechanical technologies, industrial automation and the like.

are different addresses. probably the mechanical expert will design a catwalk that carries a pipe weighing 2t/m, but cannot design a pedestrian walkway of a drainage channel.. .

 

[gil]

I understand that there is a considerable difference in time in reaching the two types of diploma:
3 years for the expert
5 years for geometra + 1 for possible activation


two years less are not a few.
I have many geometri friends and practically with this title no one would make you sign anything. the only one and the topography that has reached the limit of the development of work. only the trainees do it, because it is relatively simple, but so badly paid that if you don't have your own studio, no one I know has remained in the industry.

therefore in both cases you end up drawing cad. and for this purpose the difference between the two diplomas is practically nothing.
in both cases, you will not be given the necessary technical skills, but with some good book and a few months you can recover. If you have some experience then you won't need it.

 

[JUMPY_75]

my doubt was only about "speed" in the pursuit of diploma

I understand that there is a considerable difference in time in reaching the two types of diploma:
3 years for the expert
5 years for geometra + 1 for possible activation

I may have misunderstood the speech but if you want a diploma and you just want to choose what costs you less sacrifice then professional work where you want (personally I know electrotechnical experts dealing with mechanical design), but if you want to sign in addition to the diploma there is the exam and the iter to get there.

in order to be able to sign as a mechanical, building, chemical, etc., a state examination of professional qualification must be passed.

This examination is accessed after the completion of the bachelor's degree by enrolling in the list of practitioners of their own provincial college and after 3 years of practicing/training contract or after 5 years to the dependencies of a company in which they are employed with duties relevant to the profession.

in practice is more or less the same iter of the geometries. In any case, the only diploma is not enough for enrollment and in your case I do not think you recognize the tasks carried out for years because unfortunately they are before the diploma.

However for greater security it would be appropriate that you consult the site www.cnpi.it or go to your provincial college to find the best solution. Recently, the laws relating to technical professions have changed frequently.

 

[DESIGN]

I may have misunderstood the speech but if you want a diploma and you just want to choose what costs you less sacrifice then professional work where you want (personally I know electrotechnical experts dealing with mechanical design), but if you want to sign in addition to the diploma there is the exam and the iter to get there.

in order to be able to sign as a mechanical, building, chemical, etc., a state examination of professional qualification must be passed.

This examination is accessed after the completion of the bachelor's degree by enrolling in the list of practitioners of their own provincial college and after 3 years of practicing/training contract or after 5 years to the dependencies of a company in which they are employed with duties relevant to the profession.

in practice is more or less the same iter of the geometries. In any case, the only diploma is not enough for enrollment and in your case I do not think you recognize the tasks carried out for years because unfortunately they are before the diploma.

However for greater security it would be appropriate that you consult the site www.cnpi.it or go to your provincial college to find the best solution. Recently, the laws relating to technical professions have changed frequently.

Okay... so we're point and head....to this point without too much suffering I keep my game iva, I perform my duties as a mechanical and construction designer, I support professionals enabled in case of signatures and who has seen you have seen....