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[Tristus]

It's always better to prevent theft of ideas from office colleagues talking about our idea with the boss. so the firstborn of the idea is clear to all from the beginning. Arguing is not the case, but you can always have a chat with the thief, making him realize that my signature should be on that project and not his.
I don't think that in this case you can legally rival, intellectual property has delimited stakes. In any case, we should know more about the story to judge better.

 

[Onyx68]

I believe that at this stage of the dispute, which I presume is initial, thinking of suing, I believe is the most wrong thing ever. I can't think that a owner doesn't know what's going on inside his office, and that doesn't affect the fact that you have to turn to him before anything else. if he is not aware, he makes him aware of what happens between his staff.
As I wrote, the exxon response came, which I share in tote.

already done.. not interested. . .

 

[Onyx68]

It's always better to prevent theft of ideas from office colleagues talking about our idea with the boss. so the firstborn of the idea is clear to all from the beginning. Arguing is not the case, but you can always have a chat with the thief, making him realize that my signature should be on that project and not his.
I don't think that in this case you can legally rival, intellectual property has delimited stakes. In any case, we should know more about the story to judge better.

already done... claims that I had not entered my signature .. and as it was missing he entered his on the occasion of a revision.

 

[Onyx68]

you have already been asked and have not answered: are you dependent? We suppose so, since you quote "the owner".

because, if you are dependent, nothing is "you" of what you develop within the company for which you work: everything belongs to the company. Even in case you invented the perpetual motion, the only right you would have would be that "moral", but all the others would be in charge of who hired you.

said that, even if you wanted, you could not sue anyone, since you would have been taken away something that does not belong to you. It would be a little like you went to the Carabinieri to report the theft of the pencil that was taken away from your desk by your colleague from the office in front of you. The pencil is not yours, you can't do it.

just to clarify, the "competent forum" has nothing to do with: that is established by territoriality, based on where the eventual fact, towards which legal action is undertaken, took place.

What I think you're looking for is probably something that has to do with copyright. there are specialized sections of the courts in the court offices of appeal, which deal with these causes. In your case, I repeat, you don't have the titles to do anything.

Maybe nobody asked you yet, but because you didn't go to the usurper to tell him... Well? ?

agree that everything belongs to the company. then why was not left without signing the project?... ok the fact that we do not speak of patents but also a simple project-work and just that everyone responds in the good or evil of his work. since the colleague has the vice to dialogue on my behalf with operators or commercial or customer ... his intent and to release the document with a "return" ie to him.. excluding me technically in front of the client... So he shoots my job like his.... That's all. torov, however, a repugnant behaviour (extreme lowness)

 

[Onyx68]

you have already been asked and have not answered: are you dependent? We suppose so, since you quote "the owner".

because, if you are dependent, nothing is "you" of what you develop within the company for which you work: everything belongs to the company. Even in case you invented the perpetual motion, the only right you would have would be that "moral", but all the others would be in charge of who hired you.

said that, even if you wanted, you could not sue anyone, since you would have been taken away something that does not belong to you. It would be a little like you went to the Carabinieri to report the theft of the pencil that was taken away from your desk by your colleague from the office in front of you. The pencil is not yours, you can't do it.

just to clarify, the "competent forum" has nothing to do with: that is established by territoriality, based on where the eventual fact, towards which legal action is undertaken, took place.

What I think you're looking for is probably something that has to do with copyright. there are specialized sections of the courts in the court offices of appeal, which deal with these causes. In your case, I repeat, you don't have the titles to do anything.

Maybe nobody asked you yet, but because you didn't go to the usurper to tell him... Well? ?

It depends.. I answered after...

 

[Tristus]

because, if you are dependent, nothing is "you" of what you develop within the company for which you work: everything belongs to the company.

True, you cannot always appeal to intellectual property. I believe that onyx68 can do very little from the criminal point of view, you probably wouldn't get much even appealing to some deontological code. Moreover, the caravans are even more expensive when they leave you without weapons to defend you. I wouldn't have any more scruples against that guy if there was a chance to repay him with the same coin.

 

[meccanicamg]

The only thing is to resign....maybe if your boss thinks about it, otherwise you got rid of two....i.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

agree that everything belongs to the company. then why was not left without signing the project?... ok the fact that we do not speak of patents but also a simple project-work and just that everyone responds in the good or evil of his work. since the colleague has the vice to dialogue on my behalf with operators or commercial or customer ... his intent and to release the document with a "return" ie to him.. excluding me technically in front of the client... So he shoots my job like his.... That's all. torov, however, a repugnant behaviour (extreme lowness)

Unfortunately, these behaviors are not infrequent. In the past, in such a situation, I have "defended" completely giving up the work and its problems in the hands of that character similar to yours. when you arrived at the point where this did not lift our feet, as they say from my side, the owner came to me asking me to solve the situation.
to which I imposed a condition, that had taken away from the c.... the character, from that day onwards.

 

[exxon]

and a healthy "chissenefrega"?

You did your job, you did it well, you were paid... Do you need that "official recognition"?

many years ago, I had developed a technical solution to solve a problem on an equipment we used in the company. I talked to a colleague, and he was excited about the "innovative" idea. many years later, when I no longer collaborated with that company, by browsing a technical magazine in the sector, I find an article entitled "Device Guy: how I brilliantly solve the problem". Guy's the name of that partner. in the article there were his photos with him that illustrated the "his" idea (using the same prototype that I had built...). I laughed. not to do it on purpose, a few days after the meeting by chance at a fair, I greet him, and I tell him: "Great idea the device guy! an original idea that makes you honor!" the color of his face in front of my smile was a much greater satisfaction than any official recognition on the paternity of that idea.. .

 

[TECNOMODEL]

If the guy, while you were still working in the same company, had taken a salary increase due to the fact that he had "invented" that device you would have had the same attitude?
because often these characters act in that way because, having no quality they want to show up and then have a personal review.

 

[exxon]

I wouldn't have come out with something like, "I did it, that money is mine!"

It's a matter of personal convenience: claiming (in that way) the paternity of something, creates more disadvantages than benefits. I do not mean that it is a well done thing or that it should be accepted, but that fighting it hard, creates more harm than benefit.

more than once I have activated causes for intellectual property issues: once for my patent copied from competition, another for the subtraction of a project by an unfaithful employee. In those cases the facts were circumstantial and could have created significant damage for long periods. raising the voice because a colleague had an increase in salary with an idea taken from the legitimate owner only serves to make it worse.

often it is more convenient to make good face at bad game.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

that is different from saying chissenefrega.
However you can understand the frustration of onyx68 that is in this situation.

 

[Onyx68]

Unfortunately, these behaviors are not infrequent. In the past, in such a situation, I have "defended" completely giving up the work and its problems in the hands of that character similar to yours. when you arrived at the point where this did not lift our feet, as they say from my side, the owner came to me asking me to solve the situation.
to which I imposed a condition, that had taken away from the c.... the character, from that day onwards.

In any case I have an answer from the region, which I share with you:
"Hello, recently a non-professional colleague has taken possession of my project by signing up as author and sending it to the customer to bless. specific that has not been authorized to change the author of the project. How can I protect myself?posted on Thursday - 11 April 2019
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a project can enjoy the protection of copyright. However, it is necessary that the project be an original solution of technical problems, i.e. there are elements of innovation from a technical-formal point of view. according to art. 99 of the law on copyright "to the author of projects of engineering, or of other similar works, that constitute original solutions of technical problems, it competes, besides the exclusive right of reproduction of plans and drawings of the same projects, the right to a fair compensation to those who realize the technical project for profit without its consent".

I will decide with a lawyer if I proceed or change the job... (maybe the second.. ) Thank you for your attention.

 

[Onyx68]

If the guy, while you were still working in the same company, had taken a salary increase due to the fact that he had "invented" that device you would have had the same attitude?
because often these characters act in that way because, having no quality they want to show up and then have a personal review.

exact this aspect .. and not only... considerations and evaluations by the customer.. and I'll take the guy and just a manualist.. .

 

[TECNOMODEL]

In any case I have an answer from the region, which I share with you:
"Hello, recently a non-professional colleague has taken possession of my project by signing up as author and sending it to the customer to bless. specific that has not been authorized to change the author of the project. How can I protect myself?posted on Thursday - 11 April 2019
reply
a project can enjoy the protection of copyright. However, it is necessary that the project be an original solution of technical problems, i.e. there are elements of innovation from a technical-formal point of view. according to art. 99 of the law on copyright "to the author of projects of engineering, or of other similar works, that constitute original solutions of technical problems, it competes, besides the exclusive right of reproduction of plans and drawings of the same projects, the right to a fair compensation to those who realize the technical project for profit without its consent".

I will decide with a lawyer if I proceed or change the job... (maybe the second.. ) Thank you for your attention.

I do not know the project, but I think that the phrase "present elements of novelty from a technical-formal point of view" complies a lot of things.

 

[Onyx68]

I wouldn't have come out with something like, "I did it, that money is mine!"

It's a matter of personal convenience: claiming (in that way) the paternity of something, creates more disadvantages than benefits. I do not mean that it is a well done thing or that it should be accepted, but that fighting it hard, creates more harm than benefit.

more than once I have activated causes for intellectual property issues: once for my patent copied from competition, another for the subtraction of a project by an unfaithful employee. In those cases the facts were circumstantial and could have created significant damage for long periods. raising the voice because a colleague had an increase in salary with an idea taken from the legitimate owner only serves to make it worse.

often it is more convenient to make good face at bad game.

Thank you for the answer.
I understand that there are also more complex problems than mine but it is not a reasoning to follow. indeed perhaps my and an unprotected example... and few experts on this matter. If we all proceed so becomes a far west .. (well different from the patents, it is correctly recorded you have a margin of protection... )

 

[Onyx68]

I do not know the project, but I think that the phrase "present elements of novelty from a technical-formal point of view" complies a lot of things.

you could but there are details... and interpretations ... in any case I prefer the choice nr 2 to look elsewhere.... thanks

 

[exxon]

a clarification, evaluation and advice:

clarification:
copyright protects you as an inventor if the elaborate is a "invention" in the short term. I assure you that your computer is not: patentability criteria are very, but very tight.
In addition to this, as an employee you would still have only the "moral rights" mentioned in the answer, you could not advance any other claim.

evaluation:
If you leave for a fact like this, who earns more is the company that lets you leave. If you create internal friction for a fact of personal pride, the company risks much more than you think you have put it back or you can put it back. the company is not the mother who establishes who is right among the two brothers who fight; the company looks (and must look) only to its own social purpose (repaying shareholders).

advice:
My advice is to stay in your place, to clarify the matter in a completely personal way with the "cartoon lock" (do not beat him...), and to learn the lesson for the next time, taking the appropriate precautions so that it is more difficult than the same thing can repeat itself in the future.

 

[drake]

I repeat what I mentioned to you again... From the legal point of view you will not pull out a spider from the hole and I strongly disagree. He's gonna take you away some money and a lot of effort.
data tips are all evaluated of course. clarified with the obvious trick that must be done. I would also speak with the client spigenado for benign what happened... I don't know the situation, so it's hard to catch it all the way, but it seems to be very tangled. Good luck