..the sheet metal environment is always a part environment, as is standard.ipt, (it is evident from the .ipt extension). in this module are created models of sheet metal and has typical functions used in the die-cutting. the concept of hybrid or integrated modeling in inventor must be managed by the designer (i.e. you)! es: we put the case you want to create a rectangular prism with the beveled edges, you can decide to use the integrated modeling, that is to create a rectangular sketch already beveled, or use the hybrid modeling creating a rectangular sketch, extrude the sketch and then apply the bevel as a feature on the already created solid. other software like catia v5, has commands that create independence between sketch and feature, inventor is a little more laborious!:wink::tongue: I would do it more than willingly if I knew how:tongue:. As you can see, I'm more than in the beginning, but with some help, maybe I can
do you mean that in the sheet form you do not proceed as in reality, contrary to that in environment parts? Is there any guidelines to follow in particular? Thank you thank you
But you want to bend the detail with such an exhaust? but did you ever see a sheet metal bent like that?I don't even know inventor (but a bit of sheet yes :biggrin
your piece is not flattened (and therefore no longer recognized as sheet) partly because you have worked in "mixed environment", then normal "solid cut" processing in the sheet metal module, but above all because you have not assigned a proper laceration of exhaust.
this discharge must go beyond the area of influence of the piego (beyond the lines of tangence between fitting and flat face) otherwise the fold will go to interest also the part that you want to remain flat "roining" (and this happens in reality).. and the program does not accept it and gives you the error.
in your case the cut in the edge should rise more on the vertical.
I attach the image of your modified edge in paint with a development sketch as it should be:View attachment 17583that then in practice the width of the discharges can be even less (or nothing in some cases) and decided by the expert operator is another speech. but a software is programmed according to precise parameters that must be respected.. then in work we arrange:smile:
if I had done everything in the sheet module with the bending flanges and all related functions, the program would automatically allocate the right lacerations (for him) and the piece would be solved immediately.
in fact not always the solution provided is " aesthetically beautiful", with huge "holes" between the folds of edge.. often I happen to have to fix "hand" the dwg that will go to laser cutting, so I know that the folds in the car will come out well the same.
you can also use the "mista" procedure (at least, in swx it is possible.. I don't know inventor) but remembering that the cuts are made in a very precise way.
greetings
Marco:smile:
if you have to weld you work on the size of the flanges giving the right gap! the welder should not know what the gap is, he just welds, but you have to be the one to put in condition the welder and who before him in the production cycle is interested in processing. many designers neglect many important elements, and the faults often fall on the workers who poor are the performers!
Yes, sir! And without so much amazement. .But you want to bend the detail with such an exhaust? but did you ever see a sheet metal bent like that?
.Look that "the welder" could teach you so many things that you don't even imagine.. Believe me. Get down to the workshop and learn from him, some problems wouldn't even arise.
you have spoken of interpretation and is wrong, he who will have a design will have to read it not to interpret it! I don't want to offend you, I'm sorry if you misinterpreted (I see you talk about interpretation)! I don't know what you do exactly, but if you have such a philosophy (as you wrote in this quote), give the impression of being a performer accustomed to enlisting, mola of here and mola of there! There are laser punching machines and cutting machines that do everything, unless you work in a company that does not own this machine capital!Yes, sir! And without so much amazement. .
Obviously that is a cabbage sketch and a correction made with paint, the size is random.
the discharges can have various features, from a "intaglio" with the grinding wheel to a simple round hole with center to the intersection of the fold lines.
then as said with the experience there is not even need to make "precise" drawings; if you are not the "cutter" (and you do not have to do the developed templates) just give the operator the drawing with the quotas of the finished bent (and often it is better so not to incur in errors of interpretation and difference of parameters) than that immediately understands what and how to do it.
but in a cad program you must enter the data "as a rule" (and being aware of what you are doing).
It is you who have not seen much around (and it is not the first time you show it.:wink
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Marco:smile:
You see that you're always interpreting? I simply said that in the workshop people who work must not think more than they need to work in the right way, always if they have a designer capable!:finger:
And would you like to teach us this?
and don't take it bad every time you're discussing it! we discuss what goes and does not go, without being wicked! I don't want to be the person who has to teach you something, but if there is a discussion everyone has to say their!:finger:
as always, and if you can always betterwhat you say, in part it's okay, but the current bending machines are already sold with numerical controls that simulate the fold sequences, already telling you what you have to do. As far as welds are concerned, there is no wonder what to see! I mean, I don't want to diminish what you said, but it's just carpentry! if you want to verify your job delivered to the operators is another pair of sleeves, but if you are sure of the fact you do not think you will go down to the workshop to check out laughter procedures!
As far as welds are concerned, I could almost give you reason, sometimes there are things that cannot be expected.what you say, in part it's okay, but the current bending machines are already sold with numerical controls that simulate the fold sequences, already telling you what you have to do. As far as welds are concerned, there is no wonder what to see! I mean, I don't want to diminish what you said, but it's just carpentry! if you want to verify your job delivered to the operators is another pair of sleeves, but if you are sure of the fact you do not think you will go down to the workshop to check out laughter procedures!
it is so, but in the engineering phase of the product are taken into consideration all hypotheses and any problems! when the product has been started in the production cycle, leave the operators the productive task, and if maybe they have methodologies that will adjust your well come, but know that you will always have to employ methods regulated by the iso regulations, related to the sector!
maybe you work in a company where you make your own product, but I work in a company of third parties, laser cutting, fold and carpentry, so you never have a job equal to another, and I can assure you that customers only care about having the well-built, precise pieces and with excellent finishes at reduced prices.it is so, but in the engineering phase of the product are taken into consideration all hypotheses and any problems! when the product has been started in the production cycle, leave the operators the productive task, and if maybe they have methodologies that will adjust your well come, but know that you will always have to employ methods regulated by the iso regulations, related to the sector!
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