four free cads in comparison

[re_solidworks]

no one has the truth in his pocket and each one of us is expressed by undermining “according to me”. I believe more and more in free software and not to appear too ideological I would like to make some concrete examples.
It is more than likely that our blogs and what we write on this same site are hosted on linux server hosting and this is the dominant trend on the server market.
Many truly innovative projects (android for example) are based on open source systems and linux kernels cover a consistent part of the mobile device market.
in the desktop sector, that what we are most interested in here, this revolution has been less overwhelming because it is a less free market, more conditioned by churches that contrast “heres” for reasons that are purely commercial.
there is not only one product (always according to me but I am in good company) of the microsoft that is not overwhelmed by free software. a good linux distro is more efficient, fast and safe than windows 7, as well as firefox is better than ie, openoffice or libreoffice better than microsoft office, ... etc.
Why does microsoft retain monopoly positions? why important sotware house (autodesk among these) continue to favour this operating system of which also the friend tristan denounces slowness?
There is no courage of heresy, every congregation defends its copyrights by supporting others but innovation is elsewhere.
If each of us were less lazy, less conformist and more free this castle would collapse.
copyright is anomaly, when this becomes annuity and no longer profit is a brake to progress. every job must have the right compensation. realistically I don't know what the future holds but if the software will be accessible at all at non-prohibitional costs thank the heretics.
excuse the Pindaric flights but you do not live only ctrl+alt+. . .
with immuted esteem and sympathy.:smile:
http://www.openoikos.com

I use the pc to work, not to spend time. I prefer windows simply because it works and works immediately, I take the cad, a certified workstation, I find all the drivers, install everything and in half day I am operating.
with linux, if there is software for your domain, install the operating system, 10 vga attempts, 20 more for the hspa modem, 2 software do not turn and then you realize that after 10 days of testing you have accepted some malfunction to work.
In those 10 days, how much did I get back for missing cash? I would say 10 times the cost of a win license.....
the problem is that with linux, used not only for internet, office and some graphics, requires people very prepared in the field it or do not make us a bat, with good wins or bad, all manage to work, install peripherals, software, etc...
I tried it a long time ago when they already said it was easy and within reach of all.... well, I would say it is within reach of all... those who know the console commands by memory!
not for me, but not for laziness, but because I am designer and not programmer and to my world you can not learn all the professions. or few things done well or so much done as it comes.
Anyway compliments to those who use it!

 

[openoikos]

I just want to forget the unfounded voices. If you install ubuntu or linux mint your hardware is immediately recognized without the need to install any drivers and the operating system is constantly updated and faster because it is optimized, i.e. it needs less resources. it is not necessary to write on the terminal even a line because the graphic interface is functional and more logical than that of windows. if you then learn 4 commands (which does not mean being programmers) is even better. many programs you already find them installed. if you install qgis with outbuildings and connected, draftsight, blender, gimp (if there is not already) and an infinity of utilities that are immediately available without going to search for do everything immediately in a few minutes. no need to replace windows, just start in dual boot and increase (free) your possibilities. I guarantee that you can work without wasting time. try to believe and accept bets on what I say.:finger:
http://www.openoikos.com

 

[Tristan]

I'll tell you my experience.
kubuntu 8.04 on notebook toshiba where it was preinstalled winxp. installation ok, apart from the fact that a boot loader (grub) is installed that you do not delete with formatting the linux partition (and already here the first cases). Exit 8.10 and in absolute tranquility I follow the upgrade. I had never done it! computer planned and boot loader panic. a colleague of mine (very hard on the subject) manages to fix me with difficulty the boot file but when booting does not start a patch. result: my colleague (a dragon on unix and linux systems, not the last arrived) recommends me to format the whole machine and reinstall the os. the only way available for data recovery was to open the notebook, extract the disk and attach it to a third machine. I would have lost at least 3 working days to restore everything. I decided to let it go, both the data recovery and these os. Since then I have changed 2 opreative systems. I've been on sight and now I'm on win7. in 3 years never had trouble!

 

[openoikos]

It's been three years. Try and you'll be luckier, maybe do it on a computer you have nothing so important about. My experience is different, what should I tell you?

 

[Tristan]

It's been three years. Try and you'll be luckier, maybe do it on a computer you have nothing so important about. My experience is different, what should I tell you?

also for the os microsoft has passed 3 years. as re_solidworks says, I work with the pc, I can't afford the luxury of installing an operating system "hiking in luck". If I did, for example, the real estate agent or the lawyer, which supposedly suffices me to be linux and koffice or libre, then ok. It would be enough to keep a backup on an external disk (always if the assembly procedure is improved...) but I work massively with software that do not exist on linux so I do not miss even more sleep

 

[openoikos]

perfectly understandable tristan, does not bend. I said so, out of curiosity but I also understand that there are better ways to spend time off. I lost too much time writing here today. Good job.

 

[roberto 2011]

I thank the open source and those who make free alternative programs or a minimum payment, because I think without them the various autodesk, microsoft etc. would enslave us by giving us soft less up-to-date and at higher costs.

said this the owners of autocad had already understood at the time that to spread the program in the 1980s had to let it copy, to me the same house software sent me perfectly working and limitless evaluation copies even if with the manuals in English.

today, that I don't have to waste time and I don't have much to experiment and learn new programs, I buy everything regularly, in the first operating system windows and autocad, and I go on without problems, with programs increasingly valid and with advances that greatly facilitate my work.

Of course, especially autocad, today they take advantage of a little and get paid very much, but there are no comparisons with the cheaper clones. just launch the final print to realize the result. to say one.

I would say that microsoft beats everyone. do not know paint, media player, security essentials etc. etc. ?
not to say that today zippers and unzip, as well as you can burn dvd, back up, check the log, defragment validly and others, you can do it directly from the s.o. (You don't trust too many synchronizers or free registry adjusters because they can do several serious damages... )

I recently purchased online office 2010 at the stratospheric sum of 85 euros, including VAT, for 3 positions... but have you seen how to work with word and excel?? libre office is great and free, but it does not come to the completeness of office and the price, 85 euros, I do not think it can and should condition more than so. :

 

[cacciatorino]

result: This my colleague (a dragon on unix systems and linux, not the last arrived) recommends me to format the whole machine and

He'll be good with linux, but maybe he's incompetent on windows. Just knew the use of the fixmbr command to solve the thing in two minutes.... :frown:

Did you ever try to install windows on a pc on which another operating system is already present? Then tell me if you can start anything other than win....

 

[Tristan]

He'll be good with linux, but maybe he's incompetent on windows. Just knew the use of the fixmbr command to solve the thing in two minutes... .

Well, I've been planning for 20 years on win and linux, I think it's pretty hard on the subject. .

Have you ever tried to install windows on a pc on which another operating system already exists? Then tell me if you can start anything other than win....

I know several people working with mac and for work needs have mounted parallel windows too. I don't think we have problems

 

[cacciatorino]

I know several people working with mac and for work needs have mounted parallel windows too. I don't think we have problems

That's the apple. windows by default deletes any boot sector of any other operating system.

 

[re_solidworks]

I had tried 8.04 of drunk. after a week of imprecations without being able to install the vga I put a stone on it.
it was a touch and having to format myself the pc I broke, win I need absolutely to work and I just need it for private purposes.
when there will be cad of proven validity that will turn on linux and linux will have certifications of compatibility with hardware and cad pairs to win I will be able to estimate to invest time, until then I do not care.

 

[notte]

I'll do it.

I am very sad to read this discussion.

It saddens me because I remember my wonder in seeing the lines of a ball appear inside the black screen of autocad 2.something. There was nothing else like that. and every time I could observe the program evolve, I was thrilled.

then something changed.

and precisely with the exit of autocad 14. the interface becomes like that of uindous 95. the autodesk becomes slave of microsoft, abandons unix and mac, conditioning the choices of many technicians. including me. I was considering leaving m$ for linux.

I don't have a technical issue, I don't have any means, no time.
It is, for me, a philosophical, ethical question of responsibility.
Since 1998 I had to keep a machine with windows, investing in upgrades and security, in antvirus, in unnecessary upgrades both software and hardware, to continue using the only reliable cad program.

the microsoft, unable to buy ( fortunately) autodesk, has imbrigliata and closed it in a box made of bookcases, ensuring a huge slice of user, building an idea of reliability and performance ability that in reality does not exist. by spreading a series of inaccuracies on its opponents, using subdole means and the power of its economic means to annihilate competition. creating a series of constraints and habits that prevent the average user from evaluating possible alternatives.

more and more often I find myself reading the prejudices of some characters who elect their ineptitude to superiority, which allow themselves to give judgments from the bottom of their ignorance, trusting on their notoriety in other fields. and I find it irritating. the judgement of a guru has enormous repercussions. When you unbalance with judgment, you must always be very careful.

I avoid giving judgments on autocads after the 2004 version, although I have found myself having to use it, because I haven't really managed to understand the interface, but I accept it to be my limit.
I would like to have read similar words about systems/programmes that for personal limits someone failed to employ.

If we really want innovation, as I understand it is the most widespread need, with free software we are the first to be able to propose it.

Good evening

 

[openoikos]

night door advice

 

[roberto 2011]

*... with free software we are the first to be able to propose it.

You don't even pay for your professional performance. But how do you do it? airfields? ! ?

 

[cacciatorino]

You don't even pay for your professional performance. But how do you do it? airfields? ! ?

no, performance is paid (for example installation and configuration) even with free soft. are the licenses that are generally free, although not always.

 

[Tristan]

then something changed.

and precisely with the exit of autocad 14. the interface becomes like that of uindous 95. the autodesk becomes slave of microsoft, abandons unix and mac, conditioning the choices of many technicians. including me. I was considering leaving m$ for linux.

apart from the first version for win (3.1) was the r13... Anyway, if you looked around in these 15 years you will realize that adsk was not the only one to become microsoft's "slave"; the most important software houses in the industry have developed under win and you know why? because professionals need a machine that once comes on is ready to work and not that you have to miss weeks to configure it

the microsoft, unable to buy ( fortunately) autodesk, has imbrigliata and closed it in a box made of bookcases, ensuring a huge slice of user, building an idea of reliability and performance ability that in reality does not exist. by spreading a series of inaccuracies on its opponents, using subdole means and the power of its economic means to annihilate competition. creating a series of constraints and habits that prevent the average user from evaluating possible alternatives.

the alternatives now there are but at the time things were quite different. already it was complicated for a standard user to set up a printer on win, figure out on unix!! You had to have a degree in computer science. microsoft only did his job and did it well since his os is the most widespread in the world. that then exist of better and more performing this is probable. . .

more and more often I find myself reading the prejudices of some characters who elect their ineptitude to superiority, which allow themselves to give judgments from the bottom of their ignorance, trusting on their notoriety in other fields. and I find it irritating.

These are very strong accusations. It seems to me that you leave with prejudices if you talk about ineptitude and ignorance of people who probably don't even know.

If we really want innovation, as I understand it is the most widespread need, with free software we are the first to be able to propose it.

I disagree but it's your opinion and respect

 

[Tequila]

I'll do it.

I recommend it. . .

If we really want innovation, as I understand it is the most widespread need, with free software we are the first to be able to propose it.

Good evening

I would also like to make a modern house with innovative systems and solutions, but I do not find any "free" architect

 

[roberto 2011]

You don't even pay for your professional performance. But how do you do it? airfields? ! ?

it was to say that after all that philanthropic ungrammated and a little disconcerted (depending on the night, right night? :biggrin, the solution was soft free.

we know all the limits of the free, but, to stick to the free from a big one with all that explication, it seemed to me the yet, hawk, egg of colombo... .
pure corrigemas.... :tongue:

 

[incasinata]

... Sir, keep calm and moderate tones!
as always, this is the first and last warning!
....just step by step "Moderatore cut"

 

[openoikos]

with care and respect for all. Meanwhile I believe that the quality of architecture does not depend much on the software that is used but on the capabilities of those who design.
even with free programs you can draw everything. with software like blender for example you can model and make any form and even a simple cad like librecad can produce the canonical elaborates that correlate a building practice.
so it is not true that with free software you cannot work.
This does not mean that those who spend thousands of euros to pay a license are a disproportionate. Some of the reasons given by some also in this discussion do not seem meaningless to me. then in many cases preferences depend on habits. is it easier to use blender or 3d study? there is no truth, there are people with different experiences that give different judgments.

that there is a bias towards free software is still true. It is not understood that the progress of knowledge, so also of software that is an intellectual product, can be untied by market logic.
to intervene on a forum like this pays us someone? Yet we do it and each of us brings something to a site (free) that is useful to all. I'm not earning anything right now, but I don't feel like losing my time.
If the owner of this domain had paid a dozen professional editors to develop the same arguments and asked each of us for money to enter, do you believe that it would have been the same success?
is here the strength of free software. the computer was born so and bill gates came after. continues to develop according to two models, the copyright owner and the free copyleft, with interesting mixes between the two.
there are truly free software (free and open code), free and coded, paid and open source and paid and coded. to say that only the latter are worthy of consideration means not wanting to see a horizon that is much more open.
We must avoid giving definitive judgments because reality is in motion.
then everyone does and says what he wants, benign."Moderatore cut"