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[PIETRO2002]

I just wanted to say that for now (in my humble opinion) it is unthinkable not to know the basics of the code iso...all here

in 10/20 years could be replaced almost entirely

I agree that it would be good to know the code iso, with more things you know better is, but if to learn that I release the new technologies then I'm not there! to make a comparison are of the generation that used the ruler, if you used that you also understood the logarithms, try to ask now a boy if he knows what it is.. Fortunately the world goes on and there are calculators and computers, but it is always useful to know the logarithms! We don't make every weed a bundle.

 

[ale47p]

I know I work on mars

where I work is a small reality and maybe it will also be the type of work, but the code iso has died for years . and sincerely if your "master" is satisfied to see the spindle that turns, as they say?... who is satisfied enjoys.

my former owner also wanted to hear the mouse click... obvious

And no, I don't think you work on mars, I think more simply that there are more places where you still need to know the code iso than those in which you don't really need anything... I don't deny that there are realities at the last cry, but instead I think you are struggling to realize instead that there are realities that have no desire or need (for the moment) to adapt. These realities are there, it is a fact. the code iso is all out that dead

 

[PIETRO2002]

my former owner also wanted to hear the mouse click... obvious

And no, I don't think you work on mars, I think more simply that there are more places where you still need to know the code iso than those in which you don't really need anything... I don't deny that there are realities at the last cry, but instead I think you are struggling to realize instead that there are realities that have no desire or need (for the moment) to adapt. These realities are there, it is a fact. the code iso is all out that dead

I like to think of that cartoon, where there is the prehistoric man who pulls the cart with the square wheels and sweat of beast, behind there is the friend who discovered the round wheel and wants to communicate his invention, but the man who pulls the cart says he doesn't have time.. We've always done this! w l'italia

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

I like to think of that cartoon, where there is the prehistoric man who pulls the cart with the square wheels and sweat of beast, behind there is the friend who discovered the round wheel and wants to communicate his invention, but the man who pulls the cart says he doesn't have time.. We've always done this! w l'italia

more simply things can coexist.

 

[Tristus]

I think it's also a matter of time. It is necessary to give time to the school because it starts to better orientate itself in the choice of teaching tools to be adopted.
the world of software is a volcano that produces new tools every day, while the school (which already accuses many chronic delays) cannot be able to stay so dynamic. not in the short time at least.

new tools are fine. but I would also teach the geometry of the Greeks.
What did they teach us about the Pythagoras theorem? boring things, robes to learn by heart as prayers.
if they had taught it how the Greeks actually managed to solve problems related to the calculation of surfaces and solid volumes... he would love and the students would learn more.

 

[PIETRO2002]

more simply things can coexist.

Surely, but the man with the round wheel will go further, making less effort... Sometimes it's better to stop a little and "think"... (Take off the mental blinds and look around)

 

[Vittorio]

I understand that it is difficult to abandon what you are able to do to try the new.
but I don't understand why even in a small reality, where they do very trivial work, a cam software cannot be useful.
the first advantage that comes to mind and the bad interpretation of drawings and quotas.
a dxf cancels interpretation errors
the cam reads it and generates the program for the cnc. and now do not tell me that you still use hand-made drawings on the tecnigraph. the second advantage is that the experience made by each individual operator remains in the company even if the latter one tomorrow resigns and perhaps puts in difficulty who remains.
I make a stupid example: we assume that an operator sets parameters for a tool. number of turns, advance depth of pass etc. etc. this tool will be stored in the cam database and all other colleagues will enjoy this experience.
I would have other examples to quote but I would not be bored

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

Surely, but the man with the round wheel will go further, making less effort... Sometimes it's better to stop a little and "think"... (Take off the mental blinds and look around)

I'll tell you a few things I've seen around.

a: molds are made, normally working with cad/cam systems. However the production is quite homogeneous, so the pieces before being mounted in the machine need a very repetitive preparation operation (a sling and various holes), for this reason a parametric iso program has been created that, updating three quotas, adapts to the work piece. programming time: 10 seconds. not even the effort to get to the technical office and operation managed by basic operator.

b: same operator, makes molds with open mind and lathe processing in iso fanuc, since its work at the lathe is morphologically similar, but having to make a piece with a different diameter or length, changing a quota is as simple as in a parametric solid modeler, but more immediate.

c: the technical office realizes the tool paths without knowing precisely what machine should be processed. the isus is generally compatible, the recall of the origins, the tools, the cutting parameters, the drilling cycles not, and are adjusted by those in front of the cnc.

then there is the mother of all reasons: cnc machines are not all the same. very often machine configurations (accessories, tools...) are out of standard, and have implementations of particular language. cams don't always know, and guess who needs to ask for changes to posts...

 

[Vittorio]

I think it's also a matter of time. It is necessary to give time to the school because it starts to better orientate itself in the choice of teaching tools to be adopted.
the world of software is a volcano that produces new tools every day, while the school (which already accuses many chronic delays) cannot be able to stay so dynamic. not in the short time at least.

new tools are fine. but I would also teach the geometry of the Greeks.
What did they teach us about the Pythagoras theorem? boring things, robes to learn by heart as prayers.
if they had taught it how the Greeks actually managed to solve problems related to the calculation of surfaces and solid volumes... he would love and the students would learn more.

In fact, you're right. in a previous post I made a quote maybe a bit bold and metaphorical, but with " they did more damage the masters than the wars, I meant this

 

[PIETRO2002]

I'll tell you a few things I've seen around.

a: molds are made, normally working with cad/cam systems. However the production is quite homogeneous, so the pieces before being mounted in the machine need a very repetitive preparation operation (a sling and various holes), for this reason a parametric iso program has been created that, updating three quotas, adapts to the work piece. programming time: 10 seconds. not even the effort to get to the technical office and operation managed by basic operator.

b: same operator, makes molds with open mind and lathe processing in iso fanuc, since its work at the lathe is morphologically similar, but having to make a piece with a different diameter or length, changing a quota is as simple as in a parametric solid modeler, but more immediate.

c: the technical office realizes the tool paths without knowing precisely what machine should be processed. the isus is generally compatible, the recall of the origins, the tools, the cutting parameters, the drilling cycles not, and are adjusted by those in front of the cnc.

then there is the mother of all reasons: cnc machines are not all the same. very often machine configurations (accessories, tools...) are out of standard, and have implementations of particular language. cams don't always know, and guess who needs to ask for changes to posts...

I agree in full, the important thing that you have the complete picture to be able to choose the best, if the man pulling the wagon with square wheels had stopped to listen at least had three choices, or continue to do as before, or adopt the round wheel or maybe, if it was creative, load the wagon on the shoulder!

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

I agree in full, the important thing that you have the complete picture to be able to choose the best, if the man pulling the wagon with square wheels had stopped to listen at least had three choices, or continue to do as before, or adopt the round wheel or maybe, if it was creative, load the wagon on the shoulder!

and the complete picture you know how things work. I personally think it's one of the school's tasks.

 

[PIETRO2002]

and the complete picture you know how things work. I personally think it's one of the school's tasks.

It would be ideal, but we don't load the school too much, as long as I can put the students to think, then the business world thinks about the more or less enlightened entrepreneurs!

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

Just let the students think

I think you have little clear ideas on the subject.

 

[PIETRO2002]

I think you have little clear ideas on the subject.

I'm afraid of people who have no doubts and have the truth in their pockets, all there is!

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

I'm afraid of people who have no doubts and have the truth in their pockets, all there is!

This is another speech. and maybe it would be worth doing it in front of a beer. Good life!

 

[stevie]

I agree that it would be good to know the code iso, with more things you know better is, but if to learn that I release the new technologies then I'm not there! to make a comparison are of the generation that used the ruler, if you used that you also understood the logarithms, try to ask now a boy if he knows what it is.. Fortunately the world goes on and there are calculators and computers, but it is always useful to know the logarithms! We don't make every weed a bundle.

who has ever said to overlook the "new" technologies...which then so new are not seen that the first cam in the company we bought it in 1986...

I simply said that "learning a monkey" software, whether it's a cam or something, without having the basics of what you do, I think it is not useful from the educational/knowledge point of view.

Besides, as others said programming on board machine is anything but dead...you don't always have the need to make complex surfaces, maybe you do thorns, threaded trees, flanges with holes, small grooves, 2.5d machining...in all these cases programming on board machine is an advantage because you eliminate the need to move from the cam.

if one has always seen and only programming via cam has a limited view of the productive reality and it is not a matter of not wanting to use new technologies.

 

[Vittorio]

who has ever said to overlook the "new" technologies...which then so new are not seen that the first cam in the company we bought it in 1986...

I simply said that "learning a monkey" software, whether it's a cam or something, without having the basics of what you do, I think it is not useful from the educational/knowledge point of view.

Besides, as others said programming on board machine is anything but dead...you don't always have the need to make complex surfaces, maybe you do thorns, threaded trees, flanges with holes, small grooves, 2.5d machining...in all these cases programming on board machine is an advantage because you eliminate the need to move from the cam.

if one has always seen and only programming via cam has a limited view of the productive reality and it is not a matter of not wanting to use new technologies.

What do you mean by programming on machine board?
Why? the program you use on the machine is nothing but a cam installed in the control.
in the sense that if you have to build a rectangle and cut it.. with heidenhain "on machine edge" do nothing but say base for height and depth, but this is not planning in iso.use a cam.. Doesn't mean you're sitting in a chair in the office.
I'm getting along. .
that at this point it is best to teach our boys to use a cam because it is universal and it is good for all numerical controls
will then be the post-processor that will make the difference

 

[Vittorio]

what matters is to teach how to deal with a roughing, a finishing, a drilling.
And then who knows? Maybe they see it as a video game and don't split the maroni with monotony

 

[LaboratorioDieci]

And then who knows? Maybe they see it as a video game and don't split the maroni with monotony

Now I'll explain this.
But honestly, I think the kids are better than that.

 

[tizi121212]

They told you a half truth.
the floating licensing system (network licenses) was dismissed by autodesk in favor of the "named user" licenses; but this does not mean that the licenses should actually be on the name of the students.
in my classroom courses (I am responsible for training in an authorized autodesk training center) I simply created 20 users called course01, course02, course03 etc.
students do not need to know the access password; they access the software with the login already executed and a two-factor authentication (so they cannot access the user account and change the password at will).
your computer lab technician probably didn't want to bang.. .

I thank you again for the intervention.

today I had occasion to talk about it with the technician who deals with the laboratories, and as you talked about login, he understood that you were referring to the web app of autocad and not to the complete program installed on pc.

instead I think you meant the complete autocad installed on pc.

Who's right?