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[exxon]

and what are the "natural" times for you? You say there's too many years? a degree in engineering or even a certificate of expert you think can be obtained in a few months maybe with an evening school or surfing the internet?

and what does it have to do with what I wrote? to make a apple pie takes 45 minutes. the times when an engineer has to be able to acquire specific knowledge of the work he has to carry out must be irrelevant if compared with the time necessary to complete the work itself. If it is not so, you pass to the next.

if you find everything on the net and the opposite of everything and certain things do not find them (e.g. the norms, except if the discharges illegally), the fact that it focuses attention on the driver emphasizes the attention on the technicalism that you place in the interview.

It's true, you find online games, mit courses, porn sites, pisa classes, horoscopes, etc. is for those who navigate decide where to access. internet is great, and in this it improves day by day.

you know your industry, but one who doesn't come from your industry may not have certain knowledge, but can acquire them, pretend that he only has them because the info are found on the internet is an absurd thing.

Maybe for you. It's not for me. and not because the information is found on the internet, but because the information is found. If I want to work at the duchies, I don't introduce myself by saying "I don't know anything about motion, you have to train me if you want me to do something." if you present yourself with these credentials, it means that you are not interested ("passionate") of what you are asking to do. for the company it is better to stay away from these candidates.

If you went to interview and asked you to size a tank of 6000 cubic meters according to the 650 bees norms or a pressure vessel according to asme, would you be able to do it?

if the interview was at a company producing tanks and it was my interest to work on it... You can swear!

You only attended the two-year period and that's why university environments seem stale.

read more carefully... the two years in one city and the three years in another. I have not seen great differences between an athenoea and the other here from us, on the contrary, berkeley was an oxygen vent.

Perhaps the department of mathematics or chemistry may seem to be, but in the two years we study the subjects that will then be propedeutic for subsequent examinations. Of course, if you were planning to do a machine construction course, you will be disappointed as before.

You're drawing unequivocal conclusions about facts you don't know. If you read my posts, maybe you understand better. In particular, I can tell you that the mathematical analysis courses were yes, a big disappointment (if I went back forty years I would move to pisa...), but the worst I saw in the three years, where the teachers held courses on 50-year-old technologies and the update was great.

the generalization and idea you have on the Italian university are totally wrong, there are many universities also "minor" (that is beyond the polytechnic of Milan or Turin) that have departments, laboratories and professors of all respect.

Yes, I confirm. Italian universities are at a lower level of European and world excellence. Maybe more than one.

I can say something about a thousand: Although I have never taught in that athenaeus, I have had the honour of being in the polytechnic graduation committee, and the level of preparation of the graduates of that session was certainly not one of the excellences. if they represent the national apex, everything matches.

then you talk about the normal pisa, great Italian excellence, but maybe you don't even know that it doesn't make engineers.

Math... I always talked about maths about pisa... If I'm not mistaken, they're still pissing maths, right?

 

[stevie]

The problem is that sometimes you do not even get to an interview in which to evaluate the aspects you are talking about.
This is because it may lack the title of study, or because the resume is not even read since there are dozens of candidates for a place.

This is because statistically it is considered unlikely that a non graduate has knowledge equal to or greater than a graduate, at equal experience.
which in some areas is true while not in others...

 

[TECNOMODEL]

This is because statistically it is considered unlikely that a non graduate has knowledge equal to or greater than a graduate, at equal experience.
which in some areas is true while not in others...

right, sometimes though you put the bachelor's stake also for roles for which it would not be strictly necessary.

 

[haga78]

and what does it have to do with what I wrote? to make a apple pie takes 45 minutes. the times when an engineer has to be able to acquire specific knowledge of the work he has to carry out must be irrelevant if compared with the time necessary to complete the work itself. If it is not so, you pass to the next.

If you read posts you wrote it when you were talking about the educational function of universities.

It's true, you find online games, mit courses, porn sites, pisa classes, horoscopes, etc. is for those who navigate decide where to access. internet is great, and in this it improves day by day.

who guarantees the correctness and authenticity of the information?
At this point even who spends money to make a master is a jerk, just go online

Maybe for you. It's not for me. and not because the information is found on the internet, but because the information is found. If I want to work at the duchies, I don't introduce myself by saying "I don't know anything about motion, you have to train me if you want me to do something." if you present yourself with these credentials, it means that you are not interested ("passionate") of what you are asking to do. for the company it is better to stay away from these candidates.

so if I introduce myself that I have been practicing motorcyclist for many years and I have devoured tons of motorcycle magazines I should have more chance of an engineer strutturista than maybe the bike can not even turn it on but is able to study a new geometry that allows to increase by 50% the stiffness of the rear fork.
passion ok, it is true that there must be in the work that takes place, but companies need to confront themselves with real problems.

if the interview was at a company producing tanks and it was my interest to work on it... You can swear!

Then let's see.
standard bees 650: 511 pages and almost 500 dollars
asme rules: different volumes and figures traveling on thousands of dollars
do not find them on the internet for free (maybe you find them illegally).
Plus I'm in English (I'm assuming you're doing it well, otherwise.. . )
would you do this spending in terms of cost and time (not studies in a week...) to support a job interview with the uncertain outcome?

read more carefully... the two years in one city and the three years in another. I have not seen great differences between an athenoea and the other here from us, on the contrary, berkeley was an oxygen vent.

I read carefully, you wrote, "I saw and attended courses in a little university around the world and I made my comparisons. here in Italy I attended the two years in Padua and then in Trieste. when it was about adding mechanics to my electronics studies, I looked at myself from going back through those walls and chose to do it as a self-taught. "
we are not talking about three years

Yes, I confirm. Italian universities are at a lower level of European and world excellence. Maybe more than one.

I can say something about a thousand: Although I have never taught in that athenaeus, I have had the honour of being in the polytechnic graduation committee, and the level of preparation of the graduates of that session was certainly not one of the excellences. if they represent the national apex, everything matches.


Math... I always talked about maths about pisa... If I'm not mistaken, they're still pissing maths, right?

what do you express these judgments? Have you had a chance to confront faculty graduates from different parts of the world?

If I'm not indiscreet, how could you be in the examination committee at the Milan Polytechnic if you're not a teacher?

about the normal pisa if you read the posts you never talked about math but you said "if I define the Italian university environment as "stant" is certainly a generalization, but if we take off the normal pisa... becomes a little less generalized than it may appear. "
ah, from the normal of pisa not only come out mathematical, but also physical, biologists and graduates of humanities faculties.

 

[cacciatorino]

If you read posts you wrote it when you were talking about the educational function of universities.




who guarantees the correctness and authenticity of the information?
At this point even who spends money to make a master is a jerk, just go online



so if I introduce myself that I have been practicing motorcyclist for many years and I have devoured tons of motorcycle magazines I should have more chance of an engineer strutturista than maybe the bike can not even turn it on but is able to study a new geometry that allows to increase by 50% the stiffness of the rear fork.
passion ok, it is true that there must be in the work that takes place, but companies need to confront themselves with real problems.



Then let's see.
standard bees 650: 511 pages and almost 500 dollars
asme rules: different volumes and figures traveling on thousands of dollars
do not find them on the internet for free (maybe you find them illegally).
Plus I'm in English (I'm assuming you're doing it well, otherwise.. . )
would you do this spending in terms of cost and time (not studies in a week...) to support a job interview with the uncertain outcome?



I read carefully, you wrote, "I saw and attended courses in a little university around the world and I made my comparisons. here in Italy I attended the two years in Padua and then in Trieste. when it was about adding mechanics to my electronics studies, I looked at myself from going back through those walls and chose to do it as a self-taught. "
we are not talking about three years



what do you express these judgments? Have you had a chance to confront faculty graduates from different parts of the world?

If I'm not indiscreet, how could you be in the examination committee at the Milan Polytechnic if you're not a teacher?

about the normal pisa if you read the posts you never talked about math but you said "if I define the Italian university environment as "stant" is certainly a generalization, but if we take off the normal pisa... becomes a little less generalized than it may appear. "
ah, from the normal of pisa not only come out mathematical, but also physical, biologists and graduates of humanities faculties.

please do not quote @exxon until the ban expires (one week), because it cannot answer you.

 

[Sergio_V]

I was the arrogant and supposed one in another discussion! Here there are people who are convinced that the entire education sector (or almost) is in fact a wage factory. I recommend to these people to call rolls royce and other foreign companies and ask what they think of Italian graduates. ..so,just to realize! I would wish many of these people (almost always the same as my previous phrase) to enter us today, from graduates, into the world of work and meet as many people who think it as them: it is easy to talk when you have had all the time to assimilate the technological evolutions that have been there in the last 20-30 years.... but today you have to recover that gap in less than 1 year because "if you are not so you pass to the next". .empathy this stranger! Unfortunately luck often kisses the wrong people, even for this we are under certain conditions in Italy. where luck (to have opportunity) has the oversight on meritocracy and on the commitment a country can only go wrong, the same thread has been opened by someone (I don't want) who complains, instead of thanking, to do things above his job and maybe does it in a protected environment (if I do something that doesn't compete and there are problems I don't think responsibility is mine). when there are people who would pay to have the same chances... but this is nothing compared to those who believe they have in their hands the abyc of engineering and moralizes people that that abyc did not have the chance to develop it for lack of opportunity. .forgetting that there are also other letters (from the d to the z) that he does not know and for which he is not, by his luck, judged .. I will also have used bright tones but certain ways of thinking make me really evade!

 

[exxon]

If you read posts you wrote it when you were talking about the educational function of universities.

No. I didn't write what you said.

who guarantees the correctness and authenticity of the information?

the ability to discern the correct information from background noise is one of the distinctive features of current professional figures. who is able to do so has the opportunity to emerge, others do not. you can not explain in a post what is a real revolution in the approach to information and there is who well before me (see umberto eco) pointed out in times not yet suspected. just to make an example, if a professor of the myth states something in a lesson recorded live, while while the user xxxxxxxxxxxxxx states the opposite in a post on cad3d... I have the assurance that the correct information is the first.

At this point even who spends money to make a master is a jerk, just go online

no, they are two different paths, with two different goals. Your conclusion is a stretch of what I said. If you want to know if the information you get in the master's degree you could find online, then yes, it is.

So if I introduce myself that I'm a biker. . .

another stretch of my claim. there are logical rules that cannot be ignored: If I say that to join the denied b is false, this does not mean that b is true (that is what you did). translated means that to work in a leader company, you have to have generic and specific knowledge, you can't think about presenting you with only half of the package and ask them to fill the void.

Then let's see. standard bees 650: 511 pages and almost 500 dollars. . .

This is an interesting example that is worth exploring. If I ever have one day to ask for an interview with a specialist company, first of all I would ask that I be able to speak with the dt or with someone designated by him, in order to have access to the information necessary to obtain an adequate preparation. access to the rules and a corner where to consult them would be just two of the requests that I would make in a context of collaboration. if the company refused, I would not be interested anymore; If a candidate would make such a request to me, I would do joy jumps (hidden... ).

extra are in English

in our profession, if you also have the slightest difficulty with the English language, better quit everything else and focus only on this problem.. .

would you do this spending in terms of cost and time (not studies in a week...) to support a job interview with the uncertain outcome?

Absolutely.

what do you express these judgments? Have you had a chance to confront faculty graduates from different parts of the world?

Yes, many. from universities of about ten different countries.

If I'm not indiscreet, how could you be in the examination committee at the Milan Polytechnic if you're not a teacher?

No indiscretion. the chairman of the committee may invite external examiners (even not academics) if he considers that their preparation is appropriate to the task they must carry out.

 

[exxon]

... empathy this stranger!

If you seek empathy in the world of work, prepare to lick your wounds. It's a war, at all levels: who seeks or offers empathy, ends badly.

Unfortunately luck often kisses the wrong people, even for this we are under certain conditions in Italy.

luck has nothing to do with it. "lucky" you make it yourself, committing twenty hours a day.

where luck (to have opportunity) has the overcoming on meritocracy and on the commitment a country can only go wrong.. .

in malora it goes when empathy has the survivor on meritocracy. the commitment does not serve anything if it did not result: an engineer who "works, but doesn't know how to make calculations" serves as much as a broken life.

 

[Stan9411]

I've done a few interviews (thankfully), but I don't know what dynamics and timing can be done what you said. @exxon .... in the realities that I had the pleasure of meeting, two mediums (including the one in which I work) and a multinational, you are given a cognitive interview in which you never talk about technical issues. if you make a good impression, typically on Thursday or Friday you are contacted for the technical interview that will be held on Monday or Tuesday following; It is at that time that you should ask for documentation for the interview and then you should be able to understand it and know it in 3-4 days.? or do you also ask that the interview be postponed to give you a chance to study? Would you give this chance to your candidate?

They are not supposed questions. It is that my (short) experience has made me see completely different dynamics, in which you look for the generic skills that are then formed specifically, but after hiring !!! I don’t understand what advantage it can give to study the norm quickly and fury before the interview, so it has never applied it. is a false knowledge of the subject matter.

on the issue of graduation commissions, I confirm that it is possible to introduce external examiners.

 

[exxon]

everyone conducts interviews as they want. At least there is no European norm on this. .

I certainly not fixed on Tuesday or another day established. Some of the companies for which I did this function had more people used to select, including psychologists, "team motivator" and similar things. In these cases, I always and only interested in the technical part.

compatibly with the business needs, if a candidate asks me time to deepen specific knowledge for the position he could cover, he will have from me all the imaginable support. Maybe the "disrupt" to carry out a specific task. If he agrees, we both gain: I started working like this.

What makes you think about this? If an engineer is studying a standard and in a couple of days he can figure out where to go to browse to find and apply a certain clause, for me it is a step above the average. Of course (also because it would be useless) you do not expect me to learn it.

If he's never read one, he'll drop by at the end of the first day. I will recommend that you download a free one from the network and learn the jargon. will continue to have my support and, if the place is still available, will be able to support the interview.

 

[haga78]

...just to make an example, if a professor of the myth affirms something in a lesson recorded live, while while the user xxxxxxxxxxx states the opposite in a post on cad3d... I have the assurance that the correct information is the first.

do you have the guarantee? If you find yourself in front of a judge for a criminal case from an accident caused by design deficit justify the choices you made based on what you found on the internet?
Good luck...

This is an interesting example that is worth exploring. If I ever have one day to ask for an interview with a specialist company, first of all I would ask that I be able to speak with the dt or with someone designated by him, in order to have access to the information necessary to obtain an adequate preparation. access to the rules and a corner where to consult them would be just two of the requests that I would make in a context of collaboration. if the company refused, I would not be interested anymore; If a candidate would make such a request to me, I would do joy jumps (hidden... ).

Given that I see very unlikely to do such a thing, this means that you are still using the company to fill your training gap, which you do not admit

Absolutely.

Do you understand what numbers we're talking about? Do you spend 10,000 euros for an interview? Blessed you can afford it

 

[exxon]

non ci capiamo.

 

[welcome to the machine]

Haga is fine but now stop with the civ, you get behind the kids and for me, that I had up to 2 years ago the r7 with your colors, it is really unbearable!
or are you not the haga that I say ?...

I try to joke, so maybe someone lightens the tones and avoid other "discussions" that do not bring anywhere

 

[haga78]

Haga is fine but now stop with the civ, you get behind the kids and for me, that I had up to 2 years ago the r7 with your colors, it is really unbearable!
or are you not the haga that I say ?...

I try to joke, so maybe someone lightens the tones and avoid other "discussions" that do not bring anywhere

You're the one who says you.
you used it to go to the bar while I paid for ewards in Hockenheim in 2000, despite his vtr 1000 was a ground-air missile on that circuit.

 

[stevie]

You're the one who says you.
you used it to go to the bar while I paid for ewards in Hockenheim in 2000, despite his vtr 1000 was a ground-air missile on that circuit.

sin for the world snailed with the duchies, if he deserved it

 

[welcome to the machine]

You made us so much fun.

p.s.: to say the truth without plate and with the slicks at the bar I could not go there and so I made some open . the yec pieces were really those ex haga and guareschi taken in Belgianrda. zero results, figurative epics ( too old footprint) but so much fun. the bike is still around, because I see his photos on the internet....and I cry. I only have the original pieces left and I look at them.... .

 

[haga78]

You made us so much fun.

p.s.: to say the truth without plate and with the slicks at the bar I could not go there and so I made some open . the yec pieces were really those ex haga and guareschi taken in Belgianrda. zero results, figurative epics ( too old footprint) but so much fun. the bike is still around, because I see his photos on the internet....and I cry. I only have the original pieces left and I look at them.... .

However, the liver does not miss you, turn and do an open with such a motorbike is not from all, a simple slip and weep a week for damages:lol:

 

[Onyx68]

I agree in full, what sense does a (pre)selection of engineers or technicians do when the selector/ice is one who barely knows what a cad or a milling machine is?

not only the work agencies that often do not understand the scope discussed but today it is fashionable that a technical study also distributes a housewife or caregiver (with a 3d infarination as a video game) for a designer or worse mechanical designer. that of mechanics and absolute zero as well as the manualists who consider themselves designers. This happens in various companies that I have turned in the region and of which the owner does not make the difference.. at the cost that always resigns for the continuation of errors in production... some engineers who do not know the materials and differences... but they have in their pocket a degree that as an ex my big man says they are expert in hydraulic engines. . "He'll have taken it with ham"... unfortunately chaos never ends. .