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I open this discussion as a personal outburst because of the autodesk products.
I use inventor from version 3 and I never skipped a release. lately I can say that autodesk products are having and have had a sensitive worsening. this 2015 is yet another proof.
in the office we are in 4 and to order the projects we use the software vault professional, another top program of range:finger:.
It seems to me that the more we go ahead and the more productive, it gets worse.
craschano programs continuously, foggy screens with writings does not respond and minutes and minutes waiting after each click.
enough, this morning to change a hole from m20 to m24, I used the beauty of 2 hours!! but I ask you, is it possible? the file was inside the vault and then to make the change I had to file, synchronize properties, release the axieme (in the meantime errors and imprecations), put it back in work, upload it locally but be careful to the questions that asks you otherwise do not turn back and then the ambite change. but it's not over here, you still have to archive fighting with the files that you can't save and maybe we've come to the end.
report: a little minute for editing and an hour and three quarters for contour operations without counting crashes.

we are 4 and for all 4 is the same tribulation. I ask you:

But you didn't get tired? think they are professional programs (the suite costs 8000 euri). I think if I draw with the free version of google sketchup, I do first and I get nervous less.
 
Don't waste any more tears, you're just losing time.
switch to solidworks
 
enough with history, inventor is better than solidworks; You just have to leave the vault... passes to a real pdm...
 
essebi said:
enough with history, inventor is better than solidworks; You just have to leave the vault... passes to a real pdm...
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Unfortunately the pdm we need and we have recently made the passage from productstrea pro (dismissed in favor of vault) that according to me was the best (in fact originally it was not a autodesk product) to vault pro that really there is to put hands in the hair. the only idea of changing everything again makes me shiver.
in any case even using inventor without vault, in the last two versions it has worsened a lot. heavy and slow, slow.
 
I don't use vault, but the server is all right, both at sw level (o.s.) that hw checked properly?
 
vault I used it on the 2012 and 2014 version in both cases using it with a single project file and everything thrown in...... and the only useful function that comes to mind is the ability to check that account has modified a piece and messed up everything.
to know in which assemblies a certain component has been mounted every time I have avoided huge errors, but it depends too much on what kind of products you work to assess their use

Extraction and storage is horrific, it always brought me problems slowing down and weighing down the job.

working in companies that produce 5-10 standard machine types (with 4-5 variants per type) I have always found myself better working on separate projects and keeping everything on shared hds on the net and using any management that automatically amounts the distinct.

for software stability... at the time I work on 2014 and 2009 (bah), I do not remember the last time I had problems with 2014....... 2009... Let's just let it be that otherwise I'll just bite the monitor to think about it.



ps: what sets us up to propose a change of software? Whatever the best or worst, changing the program is a huge expense and the cost of the software itself is the least. .
 
at the level of modeling inventor is not at the level of its direct competitors, it is the product slightly back, especially if you have to work in topdown, this is a fact. in any case it is a product that works and the aforementioned waiting times must find an explanation. problems could be multiple and I would first check the hardware (workstation, network, server, etc.) very accurately, control is inexpensive and makes you understand if you already have a first reason to slow down. this control must be scrupulous, even a single patch not in place can give big problems on the net. Remember that the switch also has its importance and must have a lot of manageable bandwidth. from a year to this part I changed file servers and switches together and changed my life on the net.

second I would analyze the axieme. is it possible to model in a lighter way? are there points that for some reason have been made "in a hurry" and on which it is possible to work to improve performance?

If these 2 points are in place the "colpa" should be vaulted and there is little to do: either keep it like this or change solution. in case you decide to change, ask to see a reality at regime.
I don't know if I can do your case, I'm very well with ready2works, also available for inventor, in case I contact them to see how the product works. It is a product a little different from normal pdm, it is not said to do to your case, but surely it does not slow the work for nothing, indeed the job is faster than the clean cad.
 
but sorry, the obvious question:
but someone who does not help you?
I know, even those who sell the product to you.. .
How do you justify this?
 
MauroTC said:
but sorry, the obvious question:
but someone who does not help you?
I know, even those who sell the product to you.. .
How do you justify this?
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I agree,
sure inventor won't be better than many other modelers, but I don't think autodesk thought of making a vault with which he spends hours changing a hole.
you certainly have a dysfunction somewhere
Therefore I believe, as re_solidworks says, that you first agree to verify the hardware, at the same time limit with a technician of the assistance of inventor, so blocks on the birth the eternal download barrel "is the fault of the computer, no is the fault of the software. . "
 
I answer all the questions mentioned above.
someone who does assistance we have it and is a big autodesk partner that I don't want to name for correctness.
back a couple of years, when we used product stream, everything went smoothly until we had a problem with the servers that led to the re-installation of the virtual servers and on that occasion, driven by our software provider and by the fact that psp would have been, gradually removed from the lists and support, we migrated everything to the vault pro. the step was important and expensive as, as happened on the psp, we had to remake the integration and exchange of data with our erp and then articles, orders, orders, suppliers ....etc.
From the outset, for problems of programming flexibility (which I could not describe in detail) we had to take a step back as the data that could be imported could not be managed as psp. from that all the company used psp, that for those not of the technical office was present psp office, are finished to use it only in technical office since the client office vault does not allow to do anything outside the display and not even of everything (see custom objects). we immediately noticed strong slowdowns when the local files were downloaded (swich-certified class network 6 with possibility of management of thousands of euros and fiber-linked infrastructure)! !
ok the infrastructure was its years and last spring we put hand dismantling everything (from virtual clusters of vmware on physical machines and hp storage, it passed to a system all of, all perfectly orchestrated by citrix xen server). virtual servers 2012 to 64bit and workstation hp z420 carriages of all respect.
the hardware part can ensure that it is first level. network monitoring and especially during loads and vault work showed a laziness of the sql server that is in the non-full version. basically starts all from the vault server.
Another point on which I think there have been significant worsenings of invent is on the management of iparts and iassembly of which we make a huge use, but is it a decade that we use them, possible?
putroppo all these problems go to add to the exaggerated spelling of the vault.
instead of developing products and solutions, we have to wonder about the best way to manage the volume of files, version, revision, approved, released.... .
 
LagunaSeca said:
I answer all the questions mentioned above.
someone who does assistance we have it and is a big autodesk partner that I don't want to name for correctness.
back a couple of years, when we used product stream, everything went smoothly until we had a problem with the servers that led to the re-installation of the virtual servers and on that occasion, driven by our software provider and by the fact that psp would have been, gradually removed from the lists and support, we migrated everything to the vault pro. the step was important and expensive as, as happened on the psp, we had to remake the integration and exchange of data with our erp and then articles, orders, orders, suppliers ....etc.
From the outset, for problems of programming flexibility (which I could not describe in detail) we had to take a step back as the data that could be imported could not be managed as psp. from that all the company used psp, that for those not of the technical office was present psp office, are finished to use it only in technical office since the client office vault does not allow to do anything outside the display and not even of everything (see custom objects). we immediately noticed strong slowdowns when the local files were downloaded (swich-certified class network 6 with possibility of management of thousands of euros and fiber-linked infrastructure)! !
ok the infrastructure was its years and last spring we put hand dismantling everything (from virtual clusters of vmware on physical machines and hp storage, it passed to a system all of, all perfectly orchestrated by citrix xen server). virtual servers 2012 to 64bit and workstation hp z420 carriages of all respect.
the hardware part can ensure that it is first level. network monitoring and especially during loads and vault work showed a laziness of the sql server that is in the non-full version. basically starts all from the vault server.
Another point on which I think there have been significant worsenings of invent is on the management of iparts and iassembly of which we make a huge use, but is it a decade that we use them, possible?
putroppo all these problems go to add to the exaggerated spelling of the vault.
instead of developing products and solutions, we have to wonder about the best way to manage the volume of files, version, revision, approved, released.... .
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Yeah.
... and so the supplier vs. what does he say? How do you justify?
if it is not a problem, without making names, what is its version/justification?
 
to today however the supplier is still working on the problems, and I have no idea how we will conclude. all the points that could seem critical, have been widely solved but I think no supplier will ever admit that their product has limits.
I've always been a fan of inventor but lately it's disappointing me, the latest release ok was 2013.
 
LagunaSeca said:
to today however the supplier is still working on the problems, and I have no idea how we will conclude. all the points that could seem critical, have been widely solved but I think no supplier will ever admit that their product has limits.
I've always been a fan of inventor but lately it's disappointing me, the latest release ok was 2013.
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Thank you.
less bad that here in the company install only the odd versions and the next will be then 2015, but hopefully they will meet. . .
I had come across this discussion because I wanted to document myself on the vault that starting this week we have to use (until I had always arranged more than well with shared projects).
Hopefully...
 
MauroTC said:
Thank you.
less bad that here in the company install only the odd versions and the next will be then 2015, but hopefully they will meet. . .
I had come across this discussion because I wanted to document myself on the vault that starting this week we have to use (until I had always arranged more than well with shared projects).
Hopefully...
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dear mauro, armed with so much patience.
 
Unfortunately I also work with inventor... but I would pay my boss to pass to solidworks!!!! !

with autodesk there will never be solutions but always further problems (see vers.2015) !!!

only advice is to keep crying! ;)
You have no alternative. :
 

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