MassiVonWeizen
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as the guzzanti/venditti sang in the magnificent "great ring"
"there's a sign.
I'm sorry.
"
Sorry for the oct
"there's a sign.
I'm sorry.
"
Sorry for the oct
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stevie
Guest
but take away a curiosity, if while the machine makes the incision the operator inadvertently puts the hand in the working area the machine stops?he did not say that it is in norm, he said that to be it will have to be provided with identification and manual tag.
meanwhile, who sold us the machine brought and installed the label, with marking and identification data of the machine.
TECNOMODEL
Guest
Absolutely not. the seller handed his hand under the beam to prove that he was harmless.but take away a curiosity, if while the machine makes the incision the operator inadvertently puts the hand in the working area the machine stops?
stevie
Guest
mmm... does it affect metal plates and does not affect the skin? Something doesn't fit.Absolutely not. the seller handed his hand under the beam to prove that he was harmless.
TECNOMODEL
Guest
to me, he's quietly affected by aisi 420.mmm... does it affect metal plates and does not affect the skin? Something doesn't fit.
in the company where I worked before they bought one to make the labels of the products, I do not remember the class of the laser but it was completely lacking and worked only at a closed door.
and this could not affect any material, it created only a marking without going deep.
Now I'm really in trouble, I'm still waiting for this consultant's mail but I don't know how to move.
stevie
Guest
What did the owner tell you?to me, he's quietly affected by aisi 420.
in the company where I worked before they bought one to make the labels of the products, I do not remember the class of the laser but it was completely lacking and worked only at a closed door.
and this could not affect any material, it created only a marking without going deep.
Now I'm really in trouble, I'm still waiting for this consultant's mail but I don't know how to move.
how much longer would the car cost?
TECNOMODEL
Guest
I have no idea, the owner, rightly, relies on the consultant who pays for this.What did the owner tell you?
how much longer would the car cost?
I believe that their behavior was correct, they took note of my report and asked for the intervention of those who follow them in this field.
stevie
Guest
here I found a series of particularly interesting slides. . .
https:/www.ording.ct.it/download/iing_ savatteri.pdf The question I ask you is... Are we sure that counselor was really competent in this matter?
from a short last I gave to the slides, the danger with a class 4 laser is not limited to radiation, but also to the danger of inhalation of the vapors generated during processing, to the danger of ionizing radiation and not ionizing, to the electromagnetic danger due to the high voltage generators. . .
If you were a peacemaker, for example, you couldn't use them.
I think it's hard to get rid of the whole thing by saying, "get your glasses and don't break the [bleep].
https:/www.ording.ct.it/download/iing_ savatteri.pdf The question I ask you is... Are we sure that counselor was really competent in this matter?
from a short last I gave to the slides, the danger with a class 4 laser is not limited to radiation, but also to the danger of inhalation of the vapors generated during processing, to the danger of ionizing radiation and not ionizing, to the electromagnetic danger due to the high voltage generators. . .
If you were a peacemaker, for example, you couldn't use them.
I think it's hard to get rid of the whole thing by saying, "get your glasses and don't break the [bleep].
TECNOMODEL
Guest
I can also agree, but how do I claim that a professional is wrong?here I found a series of particularly interesting slides. . .
https:/www.ording.ct.it/download/iing_ savatteri.pdfThe question I ask you is... Are we sure that counselor was really competent in this matter?
from a short last I gave to the slides, the danger with a class 4 laser is not limited to radiation, but also to the danger of inhalation of the vapors generated during processing, to the danger of ionizing radiation and not ionizing, to the electromagnetic danger due to the high voltage generators. . .
If you were a peacemaker, for example, you couldn't use them.
I think it's hard to get rid of the whole thing by saying, "get your glasses and don't break the [bleep].
I'm just a designer. Security is his job.
stevie
Guest
If you're a designer, why do they handle it to you? Shouldn't there be a trained operator to handle it?I can also agree, but how do I claim that a professional is wrong?
I'm just a designer. Security is his job.
TECNOMODEL
Guest
small company, where you do some everything.If you're a designer, why do they handle it to you? Shouldn't there be a trained operator to handle it?
programming then is practically a cad, so the step was spontaneous.
Meteor02
Guest
I understand I'm in a small company, and you do what you need... But did you tell the consultant that the laser is in class 4? Is it not that he focused on the lack of documentation and did not read the laser class?small company, where you do some everything.
programming then is practically a cad, so the step was spontaneous.
stevie
Guest
Probably, because a laser in class 4 is not a game.I understand I'm in a small company, and you do what you need... But did you tell the consultant that the laser is in class 4? Is it not that he focused on the lack of documentation and did not read the laser class?
apart from the operator who wears glasses (I wish calibrated on the wavelength of the laser) in the room where that machine works there must not be anyone because looking at the reflex beam even at meters away can have serious consequences.
TECNOMODEL
Guest
when he came I was not present, but I had made present the alleged irregularities by mail.I understand I'm in a small company, and you do what you need... But did you tell the consultant that the laser is in class 4? Is it not that he focused on the lack of documentation and did not read the laser class?
in this I had evidenced that it was a laser in class 4.
stevie
Guest
If they insist that it's okay so I suggest you look around, when you found something good greetings and good night. . .when he came I was not present, but I had made present the alleged irregularities by mail.
in this I had evidenced that it was a laser in class 4.
TECNOMODEL
Guest
Frankly, I think it's too much.If they insist that it's okay so I suggest you look around, when you found something good greetings and good night. . .
We look on the part of the owner, he has an employee who says that the machine is not in norm, but he does not know the matter in detail.
then they have the company that follows them in the matter of safety that tells him that the machine respects the norms and is not dangerous.
If you were the owner you would do?
stevie
Guest
Well at the time of purchase I would have asked myself the question.. .Frankly, I think it's too much.
We look on the part of the owner, he has an employee who says that the machine is not in norm, but he does not know the matter in detail.
then they have the company that follows them in the matter of safety that tells him that the machine respects the norms and is not dangerous.
If you were the owner you would do?
"How come all the machines have lacking with protection and this here is not? "
But if you think the car's all right, so that I'll tell you... use it. . .
Stan9411
Guest
It's not that you need advice, just the common sense of understanding that this thing is dangerous... laser classes are public domain, just go to wikipedia to find them. even not being experienced, there is written everywhere that class 4 is harmful to man both for direct interaction and for reflection.
it is not that you must trust professionals even in front of the evidence: that machine shoots a laser that causes injury, without any shielding. This is reality, you don't need periciousness. your collaborator will have taken a glare.
it is not that you must trust professionals even in front of the evidence: that machine shoots a laser that causes injury, without any shielding. This is reality, you don't need periciousness. your collaborator will have taken a glare.
Meteor02
Guest
as a owner if a trusted employee poses certain problems within a lot of doubt, and anyway I would never ask anyone who does not feel safe on a machine or use it. I hope at least that beyond the goggles you have been given all the necessary clothing for a class 4.... class 4 causes damage to an eye both through the direct beam, speculative and widespread reflections. They also represent a potential danger of fire. the precaution of class 3 b and also a) beams of the bundles protected by a shelter b) during the operation only of technical personnel equipped with eye protectors and suitable protective clothes c) to avoid the presence of staff would be preferable if they were radiated to distance d) preferable metal targets not flat and adequately cooled as cones and absorbers and) to avoid unwanted reflections in the invisible partFrankly, I think it's too much.
We look on the part of the owner, he has an employee who says that the machine is not in norm, but he does not know the matter in detail.
then they have the company that follows them in the matter of safety that tells him that the machine respects the norms and is not dangerous.
If you were the owner you would do?
ragnol
Guest
I'm sorry if I intervene maybe "at a chapel," a little technical.
can't you try to make an engraving and put under the radius (while it does the actual engraving) something organic (salamella, wurstel...) and see if even during a "real" processing has no consequences on organic matter?
then you will assess the risks related to reflection/dispersion of radiation, and gas generated by laser work.
On the net you find acceptable digit detectors, if you want to get an idea.. .
can't you try to make an engraving and put under the radius (while it does the actual engraving) something organic (salamella, wurstel...) and see if even during a "real" processing has no consequences on organic matter?
then you will assess the risks related to reflection/dispersion of radiation, and gas generated by laser work.
On the net you find acceptable digit detectors, if you want to get an idea.. .