stevie
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How did the matter end?
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TECNOMODEL
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labels have been attached to the machine, the manual seems to be in the translation phase.
then I bought protective glasses suitable for that laser class for each operator.
from what I knew the machine can operate in that way after training of the operators and supply of adequate dpi.
then I bought protective glasses suitable for that laser class for each operator.
from what I knew the machine can operate in that way after training of the operators and supply of adequate dpi.
gerod
Guest
I only read the matter today.
If you do not protect it correctly I can assure you that it is definitely out of order. or outside you have suitable class (1) or you cannot use it. and if that radius is reflected somewhere and goes to interest third unprotected people? have you made the measures?
we are dealing with a very similar case and we have built a suitable carenature closed completely to avoid even reflections; Then, calculations to the hand, we evaluated the residual risk. A job.
Remember that in front of a judge training and dpi do not justify the design of suitable machine safety devices. if you could have installed them then big risks.
Let us have a little thought.
Hi.
If you do not protect it correctly I can assure you that it is definitely out of order. or outside you have suitable class (1) or you cannot use it. and if that radius is reflected somewhere and goes to interest third unprotected people? have you made the measures?
we are dealing with a very similar case and we have built a suitable carenature closed completely to avoid even reflections; Then, calculations to the hand, we evaluated the residual risk. A job.
Remember that in front of a judge training and dpi do not justify the design of suitable machine safety devices. if you could have installed them then big risks.
Let us have a little thought.
Hi.
TECNOMODEL
Guest
we bought it, the machine has a certificate of conformity.I only read the matter today.
If you do not protect it correctly I can assure you that it is definitely out of order. or outside you have suitable class (1) or you cannot use it. and if that radius is reflected somewhere and goes to interest third unprotected people? have you made the measures?
we are dealing with a very similar case and we have built a suitable carenature closed completely to avoid even reflections; Then, calculations to the hand, we evaluated the residual risk. A job.
Remember that in front of a judge training and dpi do not justify the design of suitable machine safety devices. if you could have installed them then big risks.
Let us have a little thought.
Hi.
Shouldn't it be our job to install the protections, should it?
gerod
Guest
I remember that the marking is not always synonymous with safety. for Italian legislation (laws of Legislative Decree 81/08) if you purchase a clearly unconformed machine or equipment, although marked there, you are responsible in case of injury or inspection by supervisory bodies. There are many judgments that prove it. So you better protect those who use it.
Unfortunately, there are many of these examples and, unfortunately, Italian law blames more those who use it than those who produce it.
Unfortunately, there are many of these examples and, unfortunately, Italian law blames more those who use it than those who produce it.
TECNOMODEL
Guest
I've done it a lot.I remember that the marking is not always synonymous with safety. for Italian legislation (laws of Legislative Decree 81/08) if you purchase a clearly unconformed machine or equipment, although marked there, you are responsible in case of injury or inspection by supervisory bodies. There are many judgments that prove it. So you better protect those who use it.
Unfortunately, there are many of these examples and, unfortunately, Italian law blames more those who use it than those who produce it.
I have expressed my doubts, recommended to the company to evaluate the thing from the security consultant, which they have done.
At this point, if they want to ignore the situation then they will have to take charge of any problems.
In the meantime, I got ammunition, and I got my colleagues, fit glasses.
Unfortunately, I'm in a locked situation.
bip
Guest
similar phrase already felt by some builders (the tiny is wanted) oriental.then I bought protective glasses suitable for that laser class for each operator.
from what I knew the machine can operate in that way after training of the operators and supply of adequate dpi.
Of course, there are cases where the machine is not in class 1, for example for maintenance operations, and those who work there can do it because it wears adequate dpi and has proper training, but in that case the whole area around the machine that is not in class 1 is bounded to prevent access to all other people.
attention that glasses can not be enough, even the hair can be damaged by laser radiation, although you tend to notice it before doing great damage because you feel the heat. .
bip
Guest
I know that some manufacturers sell laser cutting machines without adequate protections by handing everything to the customer user that so you can "customize" the machine according to the needs, in practice buy a semi-finished and become you the manufacturer, and then if there are problems you accept responsibility. .Shouldn't it be our job to install the protections, should it?
In many countries they work with open cabins and the concept of safety at work is very vague.
stevie
Guest
all remarks widely already made weeks ago...I only read the matter today.
If you do not protect it correctly I can assure you that it is definitely out of order. or outside you have suitable class (1) or you cannot use it. and if that radius is reflected somewhere and goes to interest third unprotected people? have you made the measures?
we are dealing with a very similar case and we have built a suitable carenature closed completely to avoid even reflections; Then, calculations to the hand, we evaluated the residual risk. A job.
Remember that in front of a judge training and dpi do not justify the design of suitable machine safety devices. if you could have installed them then big risks.
Let us have a little thought.
Hi.
the author of the thread is not the builder however, but a simple employee.
I am also doubtful that by putting my hand back on the thing can be done "as a rule", perhaps faking everything and putting interlocks on the right and left, acting on the electronics of the machine, etc... at this point would actually serve a new declaration of conformity and who signs it?
the only ones authorized to sign it would be in theory companies constructing similar machines.
in fact would be a real revision of the original machine.
if the seller is so quiet that with two glasses it solves all good for him.
until no one gets hurt, it's okay.
stevie
Guest
This thing is not standing...I know that some manufacturers sell laser cutting machines without adequate protections by handing everything to the customer user that so you can "customize" the machine according to the needs, in practice buy a semi-finished and become you the manufacturer, and then if there are problems you accept responsibility. .
In many countries they work with open cabins and the concept of safety at work is very vague.
to understand it is as if a plumber signed the certificate of conformity of an electrical system. . .
bip
Guest
That's why I suggest you avoid these builders, just like they sell you a car without belts, so then you can mount whatever you wantThis thing is not standing...
to understand it is as if a plumber signed the certificate of conformity of an electrical system. . .
stevie
Guest
send the seller also the complete technical dossier of risk assessmentlabels have been attached to the machine, the manual seems to be in the translation phase.
then I bought protective glasses suitable for that laser class for each operator.
from what I knew the machine can operate in that way after training of the operators and supply of adequate dpi.
second en iso 12100:2010
Fulvio Romano
Guest
they will never send it to you...(and they are not required to do so)send the seller also the complete technical dossier of risk assessment
second en iso 12100:2010
TECNOMODEL
Guest
I think so.they will never send it to you...(and they are not required to do so)
And anyway, I repeat, they're all things that would turn to my employer.