management

[edoitaly]

Hello everyone,
I'm not an expert in 3d programs but I'm evaluating on behalf of my aunt if you can effectively use solidworks in the company.

a problem I'm facing is how to manage different types of configurations for the single piece; I'll explain better.

Supposing you have a piece of any form to which I can make ten types of holes on one side, ten types on another side and ten types of surface treatments; each type of drilling on one side can go with each type of drilling on the other side and with each type of surface treatment for a total of a thousand different configurations.
each configuration must have its design/code.

how can you effectively manage this situation?


thanks a priori for every suggestion.

 

[Kakisan]

Hello everyone,
I'm not an expert in 3d programs but I'm evaluating on behalf of my aunt if you can effectively use solidworks in the company.

a problem I'm facing is how to manage different types of configurations for the single piece; I'll explain better.

Supposing you have a piece of any form to which I can make ten types of holes on one side, ten types on another side and ten types of surface treatments; each type of drilling on one side can go with each type of drilling on the other side and with each type of surface treatment for a total of a thousand different configurations.
each configuration must have its design/code.

how can you effectively manage this situation?


thanks a priori for every suggestion.

Hi.
Interesting problem.
If I were you I would make a crude for every heat treatment, I would import the part to another part and do it over the processing.
but it is a problem that I think you should talk about with sdw assistance, surely if you are in the purchasing phase they will be well prepared to fulfill your every wish.
yellow

 

[meccanicamg]

the solution of having the same family of pieces with different configurations solve it by doing the part with all configurations managed in excel, the custom properties in the excel sheet regarding material finishing treatments etc., while for the feautures (fori bemussi machining and what you want) manage it both with excel by activating and deactivating the feautures both in the field modeling with the solution "configure processing". always keep an uncoded base model defined as default on which you can always work and create the various feautures. eventually in the processing tree creates folders and group processing and manage everything logically, making each function independent of the rest.

the tables will have the code of the piece and then with the multifoil you manage the actual codes.
Obviously the code field will be apart and not the file name, since this will be a reminder for example "main tree" and will have the consigurations 1520001 1520002 etc.

 

[re_solidworks]

I think the most effective solution is to manage everything with a pdm as the configurations are manageable as normal codes and are well recognizable for description and technical data.
Perhaps I am putting too much meat on fire, in the sense that if you are thinking of switching to 3d it becomes difficult to think at the same time even the implementation of a pdm.
Why do I give you this advice? think about when you have 2000 files, each of which will have 20 configurations: how will you track the code that matches part 24435 but which is actually a configuration of part 112233?
or you have a talking encoding, but you often have to deal with exceptions that complicate your life.
with the pdm you simply look for the code and he knows where to look for it and whether it is a configuration or not.
what I use daily automatically creates the tables (except for the different layout of the user) to create each code, either a file or a configuration.
the model-table association is managed by the pdm and the user does not have to worry about browsing any folder because everything is ready and immediately.
what I can recommend and think about right away if I implement this tool during the purchase of the cad and I recommend you currency more than one.
if in the company you have only solidworks I suggest you see dbworks, entrprise pdmworks and ready2works.
what I use of the 3 is ready2works.
a demo costs nothing and sometimes gives you the solution to problems you wouldn't know how to deal with.

 

[re_solidworks]

Hello everyone,
I'm not an expert in 3d programs but I'm evaluating on behalf of my aunt if you can effectively use solidworks in the company.

a problem I'm facing is how to manage different types of configurations for the single piece; I'll explain better.

Supposing you have a piece of any form to which I can make ten types of holes on one side, ten types on another side and ten types of surface treatments; each type of drilling on one side can go with each type of drilling on the other side and with each type of surface treatment for a total of a thousand different configurations.
each configuration must have its design/code.

how can you effectively manage this situation?


thanks a priori for every suggestion.

I only saw now that it is your first message, first of all welcome to cad3d.it!
I beg you to read the regulation, see the top in the solidworks forum, and present yourself in the appropriate section always up in the solidworks forum.

 

[edoitaly]

I think the most effective solution is to manage everything with a pdm as the configurations are manageable as normal codes and are well recognizable for description and technical data.[...]what I use daily automatically creates the tables (except for the different layout of the user) to create each code, either a file or a configuration.[...]

Thanks for the answer!

the company bought in 2008 some solidworks licenses 2008 and also pdmworks, then it was abandoned everything, now I am taking over the speech to see if you can carry it forward (and not to throw the investment).

there would therefore also pdmworks available even if at the moment it is not installed.

the speech of automatically creating the tables would be very comfortable; do you know if pdmworks supports it? How does it work? create a basic table model that is then reproduced with the information of the single configuration?

for the speech with which I started the tread: I have various types of processing (treatments, holes, etc.) that can be activated in every kind of combination, how can I handle it efficiently?
Do I need to create every single combination in configurationmanager and activate/disactivate the songworks?

I only saw now that it is your first message, first of all welcome to cad3d.it!
I beg you to read the regulation, see the top in the solidworks forum, and present yourself in the appropriate section always up in the solidworks forum.

Thanks for the welcome:smile:

 

[edoitaly]

the solution of having the same family of pieces with different configurations solve it by doing the part with all configurations managed in excel, the custom properties in the excel sheet regarding material finishing treatments etc., while for the feautures (fori bemussi machining and what you want) manage it both with excel by activating and deactivating the feautures both in the field modeling with the solution "configure processing". always keep an uncoded base model defined as default on which you can always work and create the various feautures. eventually in the processing tree creates folders and group processing and manage everything logically, making each function independent of the rest.

the tables will have the code of the piece and then with the multifoil you manage the actual codes.
Obviously the code field will be apart and not the file name, since this will be a reminder for example "main tree" and will have the consigurations 1520001 1520002 etc.

Hello and thank you,
Could you explain to me a little better how to handle configurations with excell sheets? I currently use them but only to create configurations with different odds, how do I turn on or off features in excell sheets?

 

[geppetto]

Hello and thank you,
Could you explain to me a little better how to handle configurations with excell sheets? I currently use them but only to create configurations with different odds, how do I turn on or off features in excell sheets?

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[Kakisan]

I think the most effective solution is to manage everything with a pdm as the configurations are manageable as normal codes and are well recognizable for description and technical data.
Perhaps I am putting too much meat on fire, in the sense that if you are thinking of switching to 3d it becomes difficult to think at the same time even the implementation of a pdm.
Why do I give you this advice? think about when you have 2000 files, each of which will have 20 configurations: how will you track the code that matches part 24435 but which is actually a configuration of part 112233?
or you have a talking encoding, but you often have to deal with exceptions that complicate your life.
with the pdm you simply look for the code and he knows where to look for it and whether it is a configuration or not.
what I use daily automatically creates the tables (except for the different layout of the user) to create each code, either a file or a configuration.
the model-table association is managed by the pdm and the user does not have to worry about browsing any folder because everything is ready and immediately.
what I can recommend and think about right away if I implement this tool during the purchase of the cad and I recommend you currency more than one.
if in the company you have only solidworks I suggest you see dbworks, entrprise pdmworks and ready2works.
what I use of the 3 is ready2works.
a demo costs nothing and sometimes gives you the solution to problems you wouldn't know how to deal with.

Bye to all,
I think this solution is optimal, but it has its limits.
For example, if we have a pdm that manages a single part consisting of many codes, how do we make a revision only to a limited set of codes. the model will have its revision, but the codes within the data table will have many different revisions.
I think it's better to leave the pdm the detachment of the codes (no speaking codes) and manage each single model separately.
Surely if there was the need to make changes the times would extend, but I would have a more ordered system (in my opinion).
I think you should also implement cad and pdm at the same time, so as to start immediately on the right path, without having to follow later. this because normally the cad gives freedom that are subsequently limited to the pdm, which normally has a much more rigid structure.
Good day to all.
yellow

 

[re_solidworks]

Thanks for the answer!

the company bought in 2008 some solidworks licenses 2008 and also pdmworks, then it was abandoned everything, now I am taking over the speech to see if you can carry it forward (and not to throw the investment).

I would say that it is necessary to try to exploit 100% of the investments.

the speech of automatically creating the tables would be very comfortable; do you know if pdmworks supports it? How does it work? create a basic table model that is then reproduced with the information of the single configuration?

I'm sorry, but I don't know pdmworks unless I hear it. I saw it fast once but it wasn't over yet. In my case I do not create anything, when I generate a new code the board associated with inserting the 3 standard views. the table will be to be adapted (scale, other views, quotas, etc.) but in the meantime there is, placed and immediately accessible from the general list.

for the speech with which I started the tread: I have various types of processing (treatments, holes, etc.) that can be activated in every kind of combination, how can I handle it efficiently?
Do I need to create every single combination in configurationmanager and activate/disactivate the songworks? Thanks for the welcome:smile:

without pdm I would also use the data tables (excel) at least combine all the variants on the table and keep them under eye.



a coriosity: what do you plan? Why did you leave solidworks?

 

[re_solidworks]

Bye to all,
I think this solution is optimal, but it has its limits.
For example, if we have a pdm that manages a single part consisting of many codes, how do we make a revision only to a limited set of codes. the model will have its revision, but the codes within the data table will have many different revisions.

I agree, in case of revision could be difficult to settle the situation, as each solution has pro and cons...

I think it's better to leave the pdm the detachment of the codes (no speaking codes) and manage each single model separately.

on the speech of the speakers codes disagree, or rather, depends on their production and how they decide to implement the pdm at the level of rules.

 

[SolidUser]

edo....make the tutorials, six at the first weapons and advice of experienced users can create confusion and doubts for lack of knowledge.

for others:
solidworks is the only cad that manages configurations within the same file.
it certainly has advantages, but when it was born, the use of the pdm was not yet heard and therefore it was not thought about the management of the revisions of the configured files.
this to say that a file can be editable or not editable, so you have no control if the user reviews the file and specifically does not edit the other configurations.

There are pdms such as mechworks dbworks that manages configuration revisions, but they are 100% unsafe controls, the user at that stage can also delete functions and this applies to all configurations.

we say that when it comes out solidworks v6, then everything will be possible.
Here I put my face on...:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::

 

[re_solidworks]

we say that when it comes out solidworks v6, then everything will be possible.
Here I put my face on...:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::

do you have any info you can make public? 2012 will come out in a couple of months, if it will be released in the times of always, and you still know nothing.. .

 

[SolidUser]

do you have any info you can make public? 2012 will come out in a couple of months, if it will be released in the times of always, and you still know nothing.. .

the 2012 beta testing program will happen as usual from many years to mid-June.
everyone knows that they are developing sw with kernel catià and that will be cloud.
for the rest I think that until 2014 no one talks about it.
in the middle of this time can happen anything.
nx is doing a great job, same thing for solid edge and I create.
If solidworks does not wake up... they will lose market shares.
Let us remember that the fault is of the French.
with the purchase of solidworks decide everything.

 

[edoitaly]

edo....make the tutorials, six at the first weapons and advice of experienced users can create confusion and doubts for lack of knowledge.

I am doing them (already almost everyone actually) :wink:
but not everything you can understand from the tutorials.

a coriosity: what do you plan? Why did you leave solidworks?

the company produces furniture.
from what I was told they abandoned sw because they tried to make him do too much at once leaving from scratch (design, naerization, distinct, connection to as400 and to sales programs, etc.) and came out, pass me the temine, "a big mess"!

 

[edoitaly]

I met an interesting problem if someone helps me solve it:

in the design phase, when the dimensions of the components can still vary, designing in the axieme, it may happen that it will depend on some dimensions of some pieces from the quotas in the axieme (for example an extrusion that fills the distance between two pieces which however do not have a definitive distance).
supposing then to create three confeigurations of the axieme in which the share on which the size of the piece depends (the distance of the two components in the previous example).
I find myself with a piece that actually has three configurations (depending on extrusion) which, however, do not appear in the configuration manager of the piece itself.
How can I manage these configurations? I'm referring to the fact that I make drawings and bind them to codes.
Is that possible?
alternatively how should I do it?

 

[meccanicamg]

I met an interesting problem if someone helps me solve it:

in the design phase, when the dimensions of the components can still vary, designing in the axieme, it may happen that it will depend on some dimensions of some pieces from the quotas in the axieme (for example an extrusion that fills the distance between two pieces which however do not have a definitive distance).
supposing then to create three confeigurations of the axieme in which the share on which the size of the piece depends (the distance of the two components in the previous example).
I find myself with a piece that actually has three configurations (depending on extrusion) which, however, do not appear in the configuration manager of the piece itself.
How can I manage these configurations? I'm referring to the fact that I make drawings and bind them to codes.
Is that possible?
alternatively how should I do it?

if in the axieme depends on b and you want to have a coding of the 3 confiruzioni, you must have 3 of a and 3 of b and then bind every configuration of a to the correspondent of b. in the axieme you will have 3 configurations together with 3 codes at a time. all cascading and all tied up.

 

[re_solidworks]

nx is doing a great job, same thing for solid edge and I create.
If solidworks does not wake up... they will lose market shares.

You mean by synchronous modeling? Do you think it can become so advantageous that it "kill" the parametric?

 

[SolidUser]

You mean by synchronous modeling? Do you think it can become so advantageous that it "kill" the parametric?

synchronous modeling can be like cocreate or parametric modeling, that is, if I move a face, it leaves me a function in the tree.
I don't know anyone using the synchronous method in free hystory mode.
However I speak in general, not only of this feature that is missing in sw.

 

[SolidUser]

I met an interesting problem if someone helps me solve it:

in the design phase, when the dimensions of the components can still vary, designing in the axieme, it may happen that it will depend on some dimensions of some pieces from the quotas in the axieme (for example an extrusion that fills the distance between two pieces which however do not have a definitive distance).
supposing then to create three confeigurations of the axieme in which the share on which the size of the piece depends (the distance of the two components in the previous example).
I find myself with a piece that actually has three configurations (depending on extrusion) which, however, do not appear in the configuration manager of the piece itself.
How can I manage these configurations? I'm referring to the fact that I make drawings and bind them to codes.
Is that possible?
alternatively how should I do it?

I confirm what written by mechanicsmg.
I attach files.
do so is simple, once you have the part that follows the changes of the axieme, create the variants in the axieme and each switch between the rmb confs on the component that varies in the context and use the command 'add configuration. . .