mathematicians fixed with demonstrations?

[IB-Motorsport]

graz in austria is one of the best polytechnics in the world...

nikola tesla studied electronic engineering at graz polytechnic in 1875. The nobel eight loewi award taught at graz University from 1909 to 1938, and keplero was professor of mathematics from 1594 to 1599. erwin schrödinger was briefly rector in 1936.

I worked a period for magna-steyr a graz ... and I saw the degree of preparation of their dipl.ing. (the three-year-old) ... 21 years ... went like chiggie!!!! .. and master ing. ... people with cubic balls! ! !

to the Italian beotic graduates invaded by "philosophy" ate the so-called "rise in the head!"

..and you don't take 10 years to graduate... because it is in the quality of teaching and teaching in the structures in the organization of courses and exams and in the experiences and internships that make him make a difference!

 

[pometto]

I did engineering and math is the basis of physics and applied mechanics. . so future engineers well study mathematics because you will need a lot! ex-student word!

 

[Ste_d]

I in bologna, it can also be that your faculty is more difficult, not having experiences about it I don't know, but studying often on slides of various athenesties like polymi polito trieste brands I see how they are more or less the same things,I've never seen a substantial difference for the three-year-old

ah ok...strate because the materials are those a little everywhere, congratulations anyway for your hallucinating media:biggrin:
About polymes and polite I have to say that they offer a tide of very useful material! I believe that in Italy (especially polito) is the top for the mechanical sector. Also because from what I saw from slides and dispenses it seems to me to do more to the sodo without too many mathematical-philosophical incartaments!

 

[stef_design]

About polymes and polite I have to say that they offer a tide of very useful material!

free material or password?

 

[Er Presidente]

graz in austria is one of the best polytechnics in the world...

nikola tesla studied electronic engineering at graz polytechnic in 1875. The nobel eight loewi award taught at graz University from 1909 to 1938, and keplero was professor of mathematics from 1594 to 1599. erwin schrödinger was briefly rector in 1936.

I worked a period for magna-steyr a graz ... and I saw the degree of preparation of their dipl.ing. (the three-year-old) ... 21 years ... went like chiggie!!!! .. and master ing. ... people with cubic balls! ! !

to the Italian beotic graduates invaded by "philosophy" ate the so-called "rise in the head!"

..and you don't take 10 years to graduate... because it is in the quality of teaching and teaching in the structures in the organization of courses and exams and in the experiences and internships that make him make a difference!

graz, a real forge of minds.
The impressive thing is they don't select them, build them!

 

[Zanna91]

but go the dai (it would say the sympathizer), from how told it seems that to engineering you study quantum mechanics from morning to night.
an engineer is an engineer, not a mechanical expert or a geometra (as unfortunately happens).
as well as a graduate in economics should not make the accountant (as unfortunately happens).

an engineer must apply mathematics daily and we do not talk about tabelline or 4 operations.

then we all know that a part of what we study will not be almost ever used, but this does not mean that those subjects do not serve.

that the Italian faculties are more addressed to the theoretical subjects than to the business formation is a fact.
But it's not even possible that the university should teach you how to work.
as I'm afraid of the quiz test system.
I have to graduate a professional and a future engineer, doctor, lawyer, architect... do I do the quiz?
I'm sorry, but I'm gonna make him a bunch like this and who's good survives, otherwise at home.
instead we give the degrees to people who does not distinguish a conjunction or a preposition from a verb.

I'm sorry, but the university isn't for everyone, if you're able to go on, otherwise go to work.with the fact that instead the university must bring back the accounts ... then you have to bake graduates, otherwise people do not enroll and therefore money there are no.
Italian universities have had the huge damage of having multiplied as the corkscrews (with an indecent average quality) and of having to be like the companies, they must have the managers (thing crazy).

Go study and don't break your palms, because life will give you so many of those dicks that half would be enough to break a bull.

I agree on everything previously said by maxopus!!! :finger:

I press that in recent years more and more I see people choose to go to university.(In a class 8 out of 15 students have chosen university), here is that I wanted to understand if we are all becoming smarter or am I who have been so ignorant that I just took the diploma I chose the way of work?
I have nothing against graduates (we would miss it...) but honor of merit!
I know students who before doing for example the drawing exam say: "What if I don't pass it now."... but are these future engineers???? :angry:

 

[davide75]

I say my... I studied engineering in bologna, old order of 5 years, mechanical engineering with building address.
I can understand that making demonstrations is boring but I have to say that it is a way to get you to know the matter thoroughly (I also made aerodynamics as a matter of choice and only the demonstrations apply) and to teach you to reason.before the moratti reform if one thing on which according to the school was valid was prorpio the university because the matter you saw her really at the bottom and so you came out that things knew her well. I can understand the lack of preparation for working life but so much in all things experience you do it on the field itself at the time of the actual work. My other consideration is that unfortunately now with the three-year I am sorry to say but things have more simplified, too dare I say. I don't want to, but narrowing really important material study programs for engineering, I don't think it was a winning idea. I say because I see how new graduates are today, without experience like me at first ok, but unfortunately with some fundamental gaps in fundamental subjects.
It shows the fact that now the amount of engineering graduates is really high compared to those who like me remember the years in which to get to the bottom you were really few.
I return to the title of the post, I think it is really useful to make demonstrations to understand where things come from and to master the matter.

 

[maxopus]

graz, a real forge of minds.
The impressive thing is they don't select them, build them!

would be the case of sending us the gelmini:
1) They properly reconstruct the brain, he needs;
2) In this way you can understand how a university model works.

 

[Ste_d]

I wanted to bring you a piece of the preface of my construction technique dispensation. the subject is taught by the best professor who has met up to now, as rigid as clear and fascinating in the explanations (from the book in fact transpare everything said below). I highly hope that there are others like him around Italian universities.
[...Sulla scorta di una chiara convinzione di tipo didattico, maturata in oltre dieci anni di insegnamento dei fondamenti delle costruzioni meccaniche, ho evitato anche nella dispensa la distinzione rigida tra lezioni ed esercitazioni o tra teoria e pratica. I numerosi esempi ed esercizi,
molti dei quali risolti e commentati, sono pertanto da considerarsi elementi funzionali alla
spiegazione, anche se sono tipograficamente distinguibili nel testo. I tried to introduce the
discipline underlining its physical bases before the mathematical-formal structure, starting
from phenomena or practical problems to obtain general laws and procedures, rather
that from axioms that must be accepted acritically. this setting is motivated by
awareness that to a mechanical engineer, when professional activity requires the application
of these concepts, are far more useful the inductive skills of interpretation and
of modeling that the deductive skills of analysis or calculation. calculation skills,
In particular, if enhanced by the use of processing systems, more
proficiently in subsequent courses, after the fundamental ideas on models have been clarified
physical and its greatness.
the dispensation, precisely because it intends to develop operational skills of a professional type,
therefore also proposes practical methods to obtain complete and accurate solutions from the quantitative and numerical point of view. the complete numerical solution of problems represents
in fact an irreplaceable form of training to begin to acquire fundamentals
knowledge about the phenomena studied. the expert technician of a sector is characterized by
ability to immediately get a clear idea of the problem that is facing, eliminating the elements
Quantitatively marginal. this complex skill also proves fundamental
in the modeling phase of the problem.... ♪

 

[davide75]

Can you tell us the professor's name? ?

 

[Vortexsheet]

or other absurd thing that I have found is that many mathematicians believe that the "dx" that appears in the definition of integral, is only an embellishment to remember what is the variable that is being integrated. absurd.

absurd for you that maybe you imagine the rectangles; the integral is an operator,
the symbolism that is adopted to identify the operator is another thing.
It is thanks to the theorems and definitions that characterize it that you can make use of it and only through them you can understand subtleties.
integration theory for how it is taught to analysis 1 is overcome
to the theory of measurement and the integration of lebesgue; How do you expect to learn more about researchers who have studied mathematical years and you a few months?see you recommend being more self-critical

 

[Fulvio Romano]

I wanted to bring you a piece of the preface of my construction technique dispensation. the subject is taught by the best professor who has met up to now, as rigid as clear and fascinating in the explanations (from the book in fact transpare everything said below). I highly hope that there are others like him around Italian universities.
[...Sulla scorta di una chiara convinzione di tipo didattico, maturata in oltre dieci anni di insegnamento dei fondamenti delle costruzioni meccaniche, ho evitato anche nella dispensa la distinzione rigida tra lezioni ed esercitazioni o tra teoria e pratica. I numerosi esempi ed esercizi,
molti dei quali risolti e commentati, sono pertanto da considerarsi elementi funzionali alla
spiegazione, anche se sono tipograficamente distinguibili nel testo. I tried to introduce the
discipline underlining its physical bases before the mathematical-formal structure, starting
from phenomena or practical problems to obtain general laws and procedures, rather
that from axioms that must be accepted acritically. this setting is motivated by
awareness that to a mechanical engineer, when professional activity requires the application
of these concepts, are far more useful the inductive skills of interpretation and
of modeling that the deductive skills of analysis or calculation. calculation skills,
In particular, if enhanced by the use of processing systems, more
proficiently in subsequent courses, after the fundamental ideas on models have been clarified
physical and its greatness.
the dispensation, precisely because it intends to develop operational skills of a professional type,
therefore also proposes practical methods to obtain complete and accurate solutions from the quantitative and numerical point of view. the complete numerical solution of problems represents
in fact an irreplaceable form of training to begin to acquire fundamentals
knowledge about the phenomena studied. the expert technician of a sector is characterized by
ability to immediately get a clear idea of the problem that is facing, eliminating the elements
Quantitatively marginal. this complex skill also proves fundamental
in the modeling phase of the problem.... ♪

I mean, of the type: "I understand the problem first, so then when you explain the solution I understand what you're talking about."
I find it quite correct.

 

[davide75]

Okay, but who's the professor? ?

 

[Ste_d]

I mean, of the type: "I understand the problem first, so then when you explain the solution I understand what you're talking about."
I find it quite correct.

exactly! and in fact everything is much more concrete and fascinating! e.g. the stress characteristics of the beams if the calculations using the definition with the integral (type that the cut is the derivative of the bending moment) is recessed and not little! of fact put them specially at the end of the chapter, even after the diagrams of the characteristics. this to say that first of all we apply static and therefore physics without losing sight of the purpose of the problem i.e. to understand what "sent" the beam, then we see that there are also these mathematical relationships (in fact we recommend using them only as proof).
In short, purely mathematical demonstrations for an engineer leave the time they find, clear that before using design formulas it is mandatory to keep in mind all the theory behind.

ps: the prof is marco beghini

 

[Vortexsheet]

exactly! and in fact everything is much more concrete and fascinating! e.g. the stress characteristics of the beams if the calculations using the definition with the integral (type that the cut is the derivative of the bending moment) is recessed and not little! of fact put them specially at the end of the chapter, even after the diagrams of the characteristics. this to say that first of all we apply static and therefore physics without losing sight of the purpose of the problem i.e. to understand what "sent" the beam, then we see that there are also these mathematical relationships (in fact we recommend using them only as proof).
In short, purely mathematical demonstrations for an engineer leave the time they find, clear that before using design formulas it is mandatory to keep in mind all the theory behind.

ps: the prof is marco beghini

I totally agree! ie it is demential to be reduced to learn by memory mathematical formula, it is the physics that permeates the problem even if they often throw you on only formulas.
ps. How do you find yourself? I'd like to come for the master

 

[Ste_d]

I totally agree! ie it is demential to be reduced to learn by memory mathematical formula, it is the physics that permeates the problem even if they often throw you on only formulas.
ps. How do you find yourself? I'd like to come for the master

small ot:
look I still miss a year to finish the triennial unfortunately, but this year some my friend begins the master (good for them!). It changed the order the year I entered, so I don't trust much of what old students say, there's just a few different program exams. from what the prof say should be a good university for the mechanical course, for example we are first in Italy with the sae formula. Surely in the three years I have experienced greater difficulties than other universities and than the previous order: people who did not give an exam moved and now has incredible averages. if you want more info take a look at the site http://www.ing.unipi.it/ or send me a private message:finger:

 

[Counterblow Hammer]

I am a mechanical expert studying ing. mechanics in Padua and that for two years unfortunately I do not give exams (8 I miss for the third year) because between work that looms and a mystical crisis (my part "peritale, if so can be said, has the gonads full of so much boria and so much spocchia inside the university. with in addition a quality of non-excellent teaching and many classmates of good will sacrificed on the altar of nothing only because it is necessary to make philosophy on the emeritus cagate!) that I am trying to solve I have failed to do anything.

coming to the speech juice I will say the following: that excellent tool that is fem analysis can be a kill trap if you don't pay much attention to what you do! Taking care of hot stamping I happen sometimes to use the good forge: excellent instrument with infinite potential. However, every time it gives birth to a result to understand whether it is right or not you have to be tucked into the practical experience that you carry below. But when you plant, or begin the convergence problems or when you simply doubt that the results are right or not then I have to make faith to the four mathematical exams made, more that of numerical calculation, more rational mechanics, more computer science: with all the maroni spacatura baggage they left me.

because virtue lies in the middle I can say that no one can say what is the right formation: every technician must have in itself the theoretical-philosophical culture, practical culture, a mountain of experience and infinity of flexibility to be able to get out of every situation! It is clear that maybe a person can be more inclined to theory than practice, but at the most the balance is on a 60-40.
These things learn over time and with so many bruises. the problem perhaps lies in the fact that many are jealous do not avoid the novices these bruises, but what do you want us to do?: The mother of the dickheads is always pregnant.

I will conclude with a maximum proferred by an old tool-adjusting with just over the third-media diploma: a good mechanic (or technical!) you always see!; Regardless of whether these projects have a shuttle or mold for condoms. The important thing is that he knows how to use his brain!

Salut...