"new license files" an escamotage to claim money from out of service

[Team3d]

ps: if I had not yet the cds of version 5 + data in stp of the projects I would have been blocked without software and without the possibility of being able to say no to their commercial proposal. ...
nice relationship that you come to create with the customer.. .

as already said excellent software but bad commercial. . .

when in the previous post I spoke of flexibility I also meant this aspect. If you were a customer (I do not exclude that you are and note that I do not use the definition of a former customer as it is not the concept of maintenance the only discriminating to be a "ex") and ask us the cds of version 5 would be provided (or we would charge you on our ftp the necessary files). So great software, the commercial does what it can, but in question must be the policy of the vendor... in my opinion

 

[cacciatorino]

Good morning to all, (I apologize early for the poem)
My name is mauro bar and I am the owner of the team3d.

I understand your embarrassment, but to say that the tax of 1390 euros serves to avoid duplication of licenses according to me is not sustainable, 1390 are less and less euro than buying a new license, so those who want to use the system for the duplication of licenses will find it still convenient.

the siemens-plm definitely has the technical means to put on a system of licenses in which you go on the web and before downloading the new license you must mandatoryly load the old one (you do it to the cad with an armored system, like solidworks), just want it. If they don't think so, it's just because it's convenient for him to pocket the 1390 euros, but their commercial policy is anything but oritentata to the customer, it's been proven for a long time.

on the abolition of the hw keys perfectly in agreement with you, it was really a great idea, or rather a choice against customers and in favor of the software house that so no longer has to manage warehouse and shipment.

 

[Team3d]

I would first of all begin to make the names of these "resellers", of course motivating and documenting the facts. at least, in the case of purchase, one gives a prior idea on how certain companies operate

"picking one to educate one hundred." .

Sorry but I can't figure out if I'm in phase with you on using the dealer definition.
I mauro bar owner of the team3d, dealer of nx of the siemens, unfortunately, I apply the rules that siemens imposes me!
and therefore in the phase of purchase know that I will try to help you giving the maximum:finger: until I can:frown:

 

[cacciatorino]

Sorry but I can't figure out if I'm in phase with you on using the dealer definition.
I mauro bar owner of the team3d, dealer of nx of the siemens, unfortunately, I apply the rules that siemens imposes me!
and therefore in the phase of purchase know that I will try to help you giving the maximum:finger: until I can:frown:

This is one of the cores of the problem, to be entrusted to the good heart of the dealer rather than to a framework of contractual rules established to purchase.

 

[Team3d]

I understand your embarrassment, but to say that the tax of 1390 euros serves to avoid duplication of licenses according to me is not sustainable, 1390 are less and less euro than buying a new license, so those who want to use the system for the duplication of licenses will find it still convenient.

on the abolition of the hw keys perfectly in agreement with you, it was really a great idea, or rather a choice against customers and in favor of the software house that so no longer has to manage warehouse and shipment.

I'm sorry, hunting. I've been wrong. mine was an interpretation that tries to hypothesize why of the 1390s. I don't think the method works...
As for the embarrassment... this is nothing compared to what I feel when I have to talk to a customer friend of "do gera" and tell him that he has to pay for this:redface:
As for the hw keys the current solution I think it goes well for big companies, surely it is not good for the middle but especially for the small ones that are most of our customers

 

[teo83]

hi team3d

I understand that the Italian commercial network is however controlled and bound by siemens. the fact is that the commercial has one's hands tied on one side but from the other is the only voice that can give echo to the feedbacks of who years ago believed in a serious society and in a great product that now siemens is certainly pleased to have absorbed.
speaking in the first person of course when I chose to invest in this software I didn't do it only for the possessions that it offers me more than others (as cmq project molds and templates I have to repair them) but for the certainty of having a solid parten that gives me security, is that " don't leave me on foot ".
you can therefore understand how bitter the reality that siemens takes advantage of my need at this moment (if I had no chance to go autonomously to nx5 to continue my work I would have paid the money required) .
I believe that by continuing so siemens will make it increasingly difficult for you to manage customers like me (and have given that in this sector competition is fierce) and therefore it is your interest to find a solution as a distribution network Italy protecting your customers. (especially in this period the customer who has to pay an annual contract assesses the quality of the service (open and close brackets assistance in America and answers arriving after months)))
your assessment of the choice of " direction" must have a little weight because if they do not listen (through you) their customers how they make to invest the resources we provide to them and ensure in the future the same?? ? ? ....

 

[Team3d]

hi team3d

your assessment of the choice of " direction" must have a little weight because if they do not listen (through you) their customers how they make to invest the resources we provide to them and ensure in the future the same?? ? ? ....

Teo, I fully understand your position.
team3d has opened, together with other business partners siemens, a direct comparison with siemens italia on various topics, including the 1390 €.
I assure you that something is not easy to come up but at least we try!

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

and then they say a lot to ptc....

I am sorry to read certain things especially for honest users, this is a real theft and there are no other words to define it.

I understand the 3d team holder when he says that the relationship between var and mother house is not bidirectional and there are certain rules to follow, I find myself in the same situation, fortunately however there is also the way to bypass certain rules always ethically without charge 1390 euros to a person who unfortunately burned a hd I have a network card and needs only a hardware change.
He knows something re_solidworks, in 1 minute I showed him via teamviewer how to enter and how to transfer and create his new license.
5 minutes exaggerating work!
even if one is no longer in maintenance must have the right to use its sw up to that build and must have the opportunity to receive this service free of charge, if not from the mother house at least from its var of trust.

This thing is scandalous and I'm really out of it.

 

[marcof]

I'm sorry, hunting. I've been wrong. mine was an interpretation that tries to hypothesize why of the 1390s.

I think there is little to speculate, the prediction of the 1390 euros is in the 1390 euros themselves. more turnover without moving a finger but only because a customer has changed pc and is no longer in assistance. point!
If they want to remove this Byzantine balzello, as the hunter said, just create a system like that of solidworks with which, from the cad, transfer the license to the remote server, open the other pc, swx launches and from its inside load the license transferred two minutes before, all without being in maintenance or having to access via browser to reserved areas. to want it, this is a free system. But I am afraid that you will not want it and that soon everyone will take the opportunity to turn off the user who no longer needs assistance, making it pay to the first, second, third (and so on) hardware modification.
When he sold the trevi fountain at the "ammeregano paisà", he was an amateur compared to these gentlemen.

 

[marcof]

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I do not doubt that nx licenses are many and can be variedly installed at the same company (or multinational) and therefore management is more complex than for swx.
I noticed that even on swx the license is associated with the hardware, only that I can transfer it independently to a different or new hardware, for now without paying a euro and without having to be in assistance.
In short, the analogies on the mechanism are much more than it might seem and in the end for a colossus like siemens I think that managing the licenses for the various nx modules is, in comparison to what is required to make a plm, a real bischerata.
and then nx customers will not all be 50000 employees multinationals and 1500 designers, will not?

 

[Giorgio Mandelli]

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I had quoted that phrase just to avoid passing through a "star movement star". . .

 

[MBT]

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You think? given the hw progress and the fact that from time to time you have to update... 1000 users do not seem exaggerated to think about them in Europe. without counting any failures.
How many nx customers out of maintenance are there in Italy? Is it reasonable to think that 10% change hw, for one reason or another? ? ?

I would like to know how many employees have siemens plm. because I wonder if by chance most of the salaries are not paid with those 1390€.... since 1,5m€ divided 2k€ (gross salary of a pc handbook) makes 750 salaries....

 

[MBT]

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therefore the considerations on how many 1390€ per month can enter are impossible. . .

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for a developer...
for a "handbook" that generates 1k€ licenses per month is acceptable, and its corporate cost becomes, at spans, 2k€...
do we say that there are about ten people who generate licenses?? ? all the rest is fat that cola...

 

[marcof]

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At this point it would be really interesting to know, since it is only about generating a new license associated with the hardware and for that figure you have to work there a whole day a superpagato . Perhaps there is something that does not work in the siemens procedure, since similar license associated with ptc hardware or solidworks release it in 2-3 minutes of internet connection :wink: and I do not believe that 3 minutes of work of a technician of the blasoned siemens cost 1400 euros.
we keep in mind that teo83 had to reinstall a license, it's not the fiat that changed the whole park cars after cancelling the assistance and now it's on foot with 1500 (case-by-case with number..) stations

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I guess you're referring to catia, right?

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in this context it seems necessary to enclose the words "spirit" and "convince" between quotes

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and then for four peanuts you need to take for the tie small customers who, rightly, can also decide to have enough of the potential of nx5 for the next 3-4 years without need to update?
this (unfortunately) is certainly not a showcase that can scare siemens, you want for the target that are not the ceo of a multinational, you want for the fact that the complaints come from customers who obviously generate "peanuts" and not b$, being able to allow the enviable luxury to dismiss the maintenance after the release of the last sp of that release.
However the image of siemens, among us microbes of the cad, does not come out quite well... I think that those who read this thread and is undecided between if and swx, since almost are equivalent as performance, can consider how discriminating the fact of being obliged or to remain in maintenance or to pay for the transfer of a license off maintenance.
I am sure that 95% of those who traditional hunger could remain with the current version of his cad3d for the next 6-7 years (so allowing...) without risking failing because he can no longer reduce the "time to market" (rotfl!) and a nice strike of "peanuts" customers for two or three years would be very healthy and would return with his feet on the ground the inventors of these balzelli worthy of a medieval feudal.

 

[IPdesign]

At this point it would be really interesting to know, since it is only about generating a new license associated with the hardware and for that figure you have to work there a whole day a superpagato . Perhaps there is something that does not work in the siemens procedure, since similar license associated with ptc hardware or solidworks release it in 2-3 minutes of internet connection :wink: and I do not believe that 3 minutes of work of a technician of the blasoned siemens cost 1400 euros.
we keep in mind that teo83 had to reinstall a license, it's not the fiat that changed the whole park cars after cancelling the assistance and now it's on foot with 1500 (case-by-case with number..) stations



I guess you're referring to catia, right?



in this context it seems necessary to enclose the words "spirit" and "convince" between quotes



and then for four peanuts you need to take for the tie small customers who, rightly, can also decide to have enough of the potential of nx5 for the next 3-4 years without need to update?
this (unfortunately) is certainly not a showcase that can scare siemens, you want for the target that are not the ceo of a multinational, you want for the fact that the complaints come from customers who obviously generate "peanuts" and not b$, being able to allow the enviable luxury to dismiss the maintenance after the release of the last sp of that release.
However the image of siemens, among us microbes of the cad, does not come out quite well... I think that those who read this thread and is undecided between if and swx, since almost are equivalent as performance, can consider how discriminating the fact of being obliged or to remain in maintenance or to pay for the transfer of a license off maintenance.
I am sure that 95% of those who traditional hunger could remain with the current version of his cad3d for the next 6-7 years (so allowing...) without risking failing because he can no longer reduce the "time to market" (rotfl!) and a nice strike of "peanuts" customers for two or three years would be very healthy and would return with his feet on the ground the inventors of these balzelli worthy of a medieval feudal.

quoting on the whole line

 

[MBT]

quoting on the whole line

I quote... .

 

[ceschi1959]

an information that could be useful:
when, with nx6, it passed from the hw key to the cd I asked if there were alternatives. I was answered, after many requests, that it was possible to return to the key, accepting to switch from a server license to a locked node. I was given a proper license file behind statement that I would dismiss the old license. this until nx7, then, unfortunately I lost the key. I made regular complaints to the carabinieri (a complaint for a usb key) and received a new license file back server (linked to the cid).

 

[Team3d]

an information that could be useful:
when, with nx6, it passed from the hw key to the cd I asked if there were alternatives. I was answered, after many requests, that it was possible to return to the key, accepting to switch from a server license to a locked node. I was given a proper license file behind statement that I would dismiss the old license. this until nx7, then, unfortunately I lost the key. I made regular complaints to the carabinieri (a complaint for a usb key) and received a new license file back server (linked to the cid).

There was a time when you had predicted this possibility and we were about to test it when you then changed everything in the siemens world regarding the world of license management files. There was an internal reorganization that removed all the cards....unfortunately.

 

[cacciatorino]

The problem also exists with if: the tax to pay is the same, and sincerely I would not like to be a dealer-var, taken between the incudine and the hammer.

I also spoke with a cocreated salesman and told me that there's also something to pay, but we're at a lower order of magnitude (always too much, even 20 euros).

 

[ceschi1959]

There was a time when you had predicted this possibility and we were about to test it when you then changed everything in the siemens world regarding the world of license management files. There was an internal reorganization that removed all the cards....unfortunately.

It happened two months ago, not centuries. Now, is this option no longer feasible for hw key holders?