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[Mario SJPD]

all true, for how it speaks March 1996 more than a real idea of business seems to be one of those speeches that jump out among friends at the end of the alcoholic evening, but perhaps you do not want to unbalance too much entering the details, but someone steals the idea, who knows, but I have the impression for what I read that it is not even able to make a design estimate, let's work.
anyway as always in good luck and in this case also attentive to the wolf because outside is a difficult world.

 

[Vittorio]

for my experience are very few, and they still make "poor" products.

In fact.. of those people
will be few but exist and luckily add.

if you are in the automotive sector you must also be certified.. and therefore do not make poor products

 

[stevie]

all true, for how it speaks March 1996 more than a real idea of business seems to be one of those speeches that jump out among friends at the end of the alcoholic evening, but perhaps you do not want to unbalance too much entering the details, but someone steals the idea, who knows, but I have the impression for what I read that it is not even able to make a design estimate, let's work.
anyway as always in good luck and in this case also attentive to the wolf because outside is a difficult world.

not to feed useless polemics offending please

 

[Mario SJPD]

offenddo per favor

no controversy if I offended I apologize sincerely.
but I do not see offense, for the alcoholic part raises the hand to those who did not happen to design and fantasize at the end of the evening, to me personally yes.
It seems to me that there are no assumptions.
I want to be a sincere warning because opening an activity and investing money is infinitely more risky than changing work as an employee, and it is much more difficult because of works you have to do so to administer the economic and fiscal part and the suppliers and resources, find and manage the staff, develop the commercial part and not miss the estimates, then comes the technical part of design, production etc.
This is my idea then, if I'm wrong I apologize for the second time in this post.
Anyway, I'll give you a good wolf, recommending you be very careful.

 

[Marco9669]

You seem too much exaggerated. .
Obviously we start from the bottom, we will not make molds from 100k euros. At first we'll do the poop jobs, and then hand-to-hand we'll go where the honey is. so I think that initially we will start designing and if we require processing then we will make them to partner companies; we of everything we will pay only our design, of course everything will already be clear in quote. I think this 7-year-old designer is more than enough. . considering that he actually created the mold from 0. It doesn't take 20 years to learn the job, it's enough even a short time but in the right places and banging our heads so much. then with time if it will be fate we will expand by buying the first machines. so we do, little at a time. They don't throw 200k or 1 million euros from one day to another. all those who have commented until now I am simply sure that never in life they have tried because they think it is all impossible when it really is not. You have to start slowly, collect and then advance. there are not only automotive molds and you don't just earn them, there is a world behind, you just have to have desire and so much patience. then I didn't want to go on the technicians I had just asked a simple question, the business plan we did it and with it all costs etc, but I didn't put myself here to put them; was just a simple question my: Do you think if I go out to companies I find possible customers you or not?
I said this to me sincerely does not seem impossible and I do not believe that all the companies have started with 200k..anzi!

 

[DrBarde]

Do you think if I go out to companies I find possible customers you or not?

if the question is this then the answer is simple. If you can sell yourself well, yes, otherwise not. but here is the technical speech, there is the human side, charisma, and all a series of skills that will make you a good or a bad seller, and here we cannot evaluate them through forums.

edit: do not tell a possible customer that you will do poop jobs at the beginning.

 

[Mario SJPD]

all those who have commented until now I am simply sure that never in life they have tried because they think it is all impossible when it really is not. You have to start slowly, collect and then advance.

see you I have been free professional for 20 years and in January I open a srl. technical study consultancy and mechanical design + cam.

was just a simple question my: Do you think if I go out to companies I find possible customers you or not?

customers who want all the urgencies of the world, well paying customers or even only paying with planned jobs maybe a little less however you can do it, suppliers who work for you also this is more complicated and perhaps you will have to settle or accept unfavourable prices,
but you can do it anyway.mecom - mold construction they did well and in a short time.
But then you tell me about 30-35 euros per hour to make design and chief committed on dies albeit small, and then I think you haven't thought about it enough.
If you first felt offended I was not going to.

 

[Vittorio]

. all those who have commented until now I am simply sure that never in life they have tried because they think it is all impossible when it really is not.

bhe your safety in drawing conclusions on who says his is in sharp contrast with all the doubts you have about the future new activity.
I feel like you like reading only what you'd like to hear.
You'll be successful.

 

[stevie]

Good morning to all,

My friend and I are thinking about opening a mechanical workshop. the mechanical workshop would be formed by me and he would take care of creations of molds. Obviously our budget is limited, but we can afford to buy the first machine tools and the mini wagon. At the moment we are discussing and it is still an idea, but I wanted to have your opinion. ...according to you can exist nowadays have the dream of creating a mechanical workshop? this because certainly compared to once where not all of this competition today it became more difficult to notice and also find the first possible customers... we were thinking about starting to turn from company to company looking for possible partners.. What do you think is feasible?
the desire to get into play is also to be noticed. .
our real concern is to fail to find customers willing to trust us; This is our fear. What do you think?

fear more than founded...considering that considering the great offer of manufacturers of Italian and foreign molds the first thing that potential customers will ask you will be a work portfolio executed, or anyway references...to that point you have to show?

and then excuse me if I insist but initially you talked about opening mechanical workshop, then study realization projects mold and cam...
You were talking about a budget of 70k euro... to buy what exactly? definitely not a cnc milling machine or molding center, unless you go on a used scalcinate... and all the rest?

evaluate all costs well, considering that now as now after the inflationary fluctuation and the increase in costs work at 35 euro/h is unrealistic.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

You seem too much exaggerated. .
Obviously we start from the bottom, we will not make molds from 100k euros. At first we'll do the poop jobs, and then hand-to-hand we'll go where the honey is. so I think that initially we will start designing and if we require processing then we will make them to partner companies; we of everything we will pay only our design, of course everything will already be clear in quote. I think this 7-year-old designer is more than enough. . considering that he actually created the mold from 0. you don't need 20 years to learn the job, it's enough even a little time but in the right places and banging our heads so much. then with time if it will be fate we will expand by buying the first machines. so we do, little at a time. They don't throw 200k or 1 million euros from one day to another. all those who have commented until now I am simply sure that never in life they have tried because they think it is all impossible when it really is not. You have to start slowly, collect and then advance. there are not only automotive molds and you don't just earn them, there is a world behind, you just have to have desire and so much patience. then I didn't want to go on the technicians I had just asked a simple question, the business plan we did it and with it all costs etc, but I didn't put myself here to put them; was just a simple question my: Do you think if I go out to companies I find possible customers you or not?
I said this to me sincerely does not seem impossible and I do not believe that all the companies have started with 200k..anzi!

I sincerely don't know how to comment on your statements, you really seem to me out of reality, or very presumptuous.
I would almost be tempted to play with you 2, a simple drawing of a piece from which you should show the technical skills you have.
but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't accept the challenge.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

I feel like you like reading only what you'd like to hear.

I sincerely don't know how to comment on your statements, you really seem to me out of reality, or very presumptuous.

attitude perfectly in line with his old discussions.

 

[stevie]

attitude perfectly in line with his old discussions.

???

 

[TETRASTORE]

personally I am pleased that today there are still people willing to commit themselves to open an activity in their own, even if they sin of naivety surely because of the little experience.
I think, however, that the forum is for this; recommend and direct as much as possible those who ask for help, interpreting his wishes and reducing them in reality, trying to propose solutions suitable to the professionalism and knowledge of the subjects and, if possible, give indications on the possible opportunities that can find in that field.
If someone asks, even in an imprecise way, it is because he does not know and I believe that our task is to address it on possible solutions highlighting both the opportunities and the possible risks, as in part has already been done in this discussion.
I also try to make a small contribution based on my personal experience.members: 2.type of company: snc, initially simplified accountingSocial object: must contain the clear indication of all the activities that society carries out or could carry out in the future. it is necessary to indicate the main and secondary activities (also not strictly connected) clearly. It is important, however, that it is neither too wide nor too narrow.
for example: design, design, construction prototypes, mechanical machining, assembly of industrial components, industrial representations, commercialization of technical articles, etc.machinery: esclusiemployees: no onethirst: if possible, initially at homefrom where to start: to make a small leaflet with indicated the services offered by highlighting (if any) an added value for the customer.how to find customers: starting from scratch, not being known and not having references, potential customers may be reluctant to give you some time to listen to what you have to propose.
I suggest you, as an agent (or sub agent) without storage, to a company that produces (for example) accessories and mold equipment; this will be the key that will let you access the potential customers to whom you can also propose your services.
this also serves to have initially two revenue: one for the design made by your partner, the other deriving from your business agent.
for a company that provides products related to the world of molds it may be interesting to have sellers with a knowledge already acquired in this field; Obviously it is assumed that your partner transmits you part of his experience in that field.
by coming into contact with many companies and their needs, it is not excluded (as happened to me) that you might find yourself taking very different paths from that initially assumed but that however they will offer you professional and economic rewards.

Moreover, if you will succeed in making other die partners or other products you designed, avoid in the most absolute way of assuming the function of chief bet and make yourself pay not at hours but at work on estimates with possible assumption on additions or unforeseen changes.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

personally I am pleased that today there are still people willing to commit themselves to open an activity in their own, even if they sin of naivety surely because of the little experience.
I think, however, that the forum is for this; recommend and direct as much as possible who asks for help,

aid that has not been denied to him seems to me, but that he has been considered useless if not even harassed by the applicant. I hope for him that he will not hold this attitude when he will make the commercial and the talks because he will remain with a fist of flies.

 

[TETRASTORE]

aid that has not been denied to him seems to me, but that he has been considered useless if not even harassed by the applicant.

It is true, but what is not part of my nature, perhaps also because of professional deformation, is to believe that those who I have helped may have an uncooperative attitude; On the other hand, as far as I can, I try to help by transmitting the experience that I have; if this is considered useful I am gratified, if instead I think it is considered useless or harassment I no longer participate in the discussion avoiding further posts dictated by the emotional thrust that however do not make any constructive contribution.

I said this to me sincerely does not seem impossible and I do not believe that all the companies have started with 200k..anzi!

in the past this was possible. . 60 years ago a peritum a little more than twenty years old, bought with them a dentatrice used, placed it in the garage and made it work at night and sold the gears of day. later designed and built the first reducer to which in the following years they followed all others until they arrived at the colossus that is currently: Reduced bonfiglioli.
this path is similar to that made by many founders of important companies.

Today with only €70000 you can't start a manufacturing activity for the reasons and costs that have been mentioned before, also banks to give you a loan claim guarantees that you can't often give.
to start instead with design, software creation or a service activity (without employees) your budget can initially suffice.

 

[Marco9669]

and then excuse me if I insist but initially you talked about opening mechanical workshop, then study realization projects mold and cam...
You were talking about a budget of 70k euro... to buy what exactly? definitely not a cnc milling machine or machining center for molds, unless you go on a used scalcinate...and all the rest

be oddio una fresa 3 axes medium size you take it home with 70k

 

[Marco9669]

But then you tell me about 30-35 euros per hour to make design and chief committed on dies albeit small, and then I think you haven't thought about it enough.

more than anything at first survives. . we know that our work is worth more but between us to 50 euros of design and an expert study with fame always to 50 euros does not choose us.

 

[Marco9669]

the references in fact we did not have them but anyway we thought to collect some confidence maybe by presenting the archive projects. .

personally I am pleased that today there are still people willing to commit themselves to open an activity in their own, even if they sin of naivety surely because of the little experience.
I think, however, that the forum is for this; recommend and direct as much as possible those who ask for help, interpreting his wishes and reducing them in reality, trying to propose solutions suitable to the professionalism and knowledge of the subjects and, if possible, give indications on the possible opportunities that can find in that field.
If someone asks, even in an imprecise way, it is because he does not know and I believe that our task is to address it on possible solutions highlighting both the opportunities and the possible risks, as in part has already been done in this discussion.
I also try to make a small contribution based on my personal experience.members: 2.type of company: snc, initially simplified accountingSocial object: must contain the clear indication of all the activities that society carries out or could carry out in the future. it is necessary to indicate the main and secondary activities (also not strictly connected) clearly. It is important, however, that it is neither too wide nor too narrow.
for example: design, design, construction prototypes, mechanical machining, assembly of industrial components, industrial representations, commercialization of technical articles, etc.machinery: esclusiemployees: no onethirst: if possible, initially at homefrom where to start: to make a small leaflet with indicated the services offered by highlighting (if any) an added value for the customer.how to find customers: starting from scratch, not being known and not having references, potential customers may be reluctant to give you some time to listen to what you have to propose.
I suggest you, as an agent (or sub agent) without storage, to a company that produces (for example) accessories and mold equipment; this will be the key that will let you access the potential customers to whom you can also propose your services.
this also serves to have initially two revenue: one for the design made by your partner, the other deriving from your business agent.
for a company that provides products related to the world of molds it may be interesting to have sellers with a knowledge already acquired in this field; Obviously it is assumed that your partner transmits you part of his experience in that field.
by coming into contact with many companies and their needs, it is not excluded (as happened to me) that you might find yourself taking very different paths from that initially assumed but that however they will offer you professional and economic rewards.

Moreover, if you will succeed in making other die partners or other products you designed, avoid in the most absolute way of assuming the function of chief bet and make yourself pay not at hours but at work on estimates with possible assumption on additions or unforeseen changes.

Thank you.

 

[TETRASTORE]

another possibility to find new customers is to delegate this function to those who do it by profession (e.g. representative agencies), investing 5-6000 € in front of some tens of interested names. the important thing is to create commercial contact with a contact person, then you can visit the company initially with the seller and then you can enter yourself in depth on the most technical aspects.
This is because, as has already been expressed by others, inexperience from the commercial point of view could distort your efforts.

be oddio una fresa 3 axes medium size you take it home with 70k

the problem is that it is not the only cost you should support.....
here I think the estimate of the initial investment indicated previously by @massivonweizen And realistically per nail, per hour, I would exclude a priori any manufacturing solution but I would invest in the essential and, above all, in customer search.
also consider that you may initially have months in which you will only have fixed expenses without any recurrence.

 

[TECNOMODEL]

the references in fact we did not have them but anyway we thought to collect some confidence maybe by presenting the archive projects. .

Thank you.

archive projects?
if you still have to start that projects you would have to show?