pdm free ?

[Testone]

I think putting on a pdm for two users is really disproportionate.

Solid edge already has in native form many typical pdm data management functions, and adding a well configured cloud with 10 euro/month you solved all the problems.

I fully agree... for two people would make no sense... actually in the office we are 9 people: the manager + 8 between designers and cams (on average drawing are 5-7 people, to 90 % carpentry, sheets and tube structures) with solid edge st10 (are 1 user) and all others on solidworks.

However, I did not explain well that at the moment each designer works on a single project alone or at the most helped by another person (from here the two people) because having more people on the same project, with files managed locally, exchanged manually, and saved in folder structures that vary from each designer, becomes a nice piece.
pdm should really help manage many people working at the same time as the project itself, but if not needed, I agree that a cloud would be + that sufficient.

Perhaps a pdm could allow more people to work in parallel (current limitation, in some cases important when it is necessary to accelerate a project) than a simple cloud? or is this point valid only above a certain size (type 20 people? )
What do you think?
are increasingly oriented towards a cloud to hold and sync individual pcs...

here too my experience does not help since it was in a very large company, with locations abroad and all coordinated through a great plm...

 

[cacciatorino]

I fully agree... for two people would make no sense... actually in the office we are 9 people: the manager + 8 between designers and cams (on average drawing are 5-7 people, to 90 % carpentry, sheets and tube structures) with solid edge st10 (are 1 user) and all others on solidworks.

However, I did not explain well that at the moment each designer works on a single project alone or at the most helped by another person (from here the two people) because having more people on the same project, with files managed locally, exchanged manually, and saved in folder structures that vary from each designer, becomes a nice piece.
pdm should really help manage many people working at the same time as the project itself, but if not needed, I agree that a cloud would be + that sufficient.

Perhaps a pdm could allow more people to work in parallel (current limitation, in some cases important when it is necessary to accelerate a project) than a simple cloud? or is this point valid only above a certain size (type 20 people? )
What do you think?
are increasingly oriented towards a cloud to hold and sync individual pcs...

here too my experience does not help since it was in a very large company, with locations abroad and all coordinated through a great plm...

Sorry I misrepresented the number of users, I focused more than anything on the problem of smart working. In fact, for a dozen users it starts to make sense to think of a somewhat more structured pdm, which puts a rule to that somewhat anarchist structure you have now.

attention to the choice of the supplier, certain systems are unmanageable without specialist assistance for which you will tie your entire life to the supplier (parlo da user ptc at this time).

 

[cacciatorino]

for the company's internal pcs you don't need the cloud, just a server with shared folders between the various pcs of the network.

 

[windreef]

Bye to all,

after a few messages from the last days I collected some info that I summarize here in case they were useful for everyone. many info I have collected through other sources are the same highlighted in previous posts by hunter, drake and others.
@cacciatorino, I've never heard of block level sync, thanks to the information, I'll deepen my hang.

solution nas
qnap looks like those with the most listed software, but also others have similar systems (western digital, dlink). relevant notes (at least in my case) are that:
nas would be connected to the company network. users outside the company work locally, to run open file alerts, in use etc...they should always be connected in vpn, which almost never happens.
if 3-4 people synchronize all at the same time (at the end of the working day) there may be the bottleneck of the company network speed.
one-time payment to purchase nas
all data are available in the company.

cloud solution:
the limitations of first disappear and through the account of each user you have the exchange of data via the internet.
Usually the cloud service provides integrated sync/backup function etc in the face of service payment.

third party software:
there are software that you can use to manage synchronizations between single pcs and a central reference folder (which can reside on a nas, in a cloud service, or on a server), some are free, others paid etc... (e.g. freefilesync , suresync, or others still found on google.

said this, none of these systems equals or has the features of a pdm or a plm (which is the initial request of this thread) and also what I am looking for in an ideal world.

moving to systems dedicated to design I have some info for openbom. after an email exchange this is the summary: (in English as the original)

openbom has cad add-ins capable to extract data from cad systems (eg. solidworks, solid edge, and others - openbom.com/integration) and sharing it between multiple users.
while openbom allows you to send data to cloud storage, it is not a pdm tool that allows multiple cad designers to work collaboratively on the same files.
so, depending on your needs openbom functions can fit you or you might need a pdm system to manage cad file versions.
costi di openbom sembrano molto ridotti.

adesso sto raccogliendo info per grabcad, ma non ho ancora niente di concreto

Sorry, I don't know how the cloud works, but for that too, external designers must be connected constantly on the internet, otherwise if synchronization does all of them at the end of the evening there will be the same problem with the nas

p.s. readysolutions (ready2works pdm) confirmed that it is not possible to install pdm on nas even if some qnap nas have the possibility to create a virtual windows environment. therefore for their pdm (but also for autodesk vault and probably for everyone) you need installation on a server .

 

[windreef]

I fully agree... for two people would make no sense... actually in the office we are 9 people: the manager + 8 between designers and cams (on average drawing are 5-7 people, to 90 % carpentry, sheets and tube structures) with solid edge st10 (are 1 user) and all others on solidworks.

However, I did not explain well that at the moment each designer works on a single project alone or at the most helped by another person (from here the two people) because having more people on the same project, with files managed locally, exchanged manually, and saved in folder structures that vary from each designer, becomes a nice piece.
pdm should really help manage many people working at the same time as the project itself, but if not needed, I agree that a cloud would be + that sufficient.

Perhaps a pdm could allow more people to work in parallel (current limitation, in some cases important when it is necessary to accelerate a project) than a simple cloud? or is this point valid only above a certain size (type 20 people? )
What do you think?
are increasingly oriented towards a cloud to hold and sync individual pcs...

here too my experience does not help since it was in a very large company, with locations abroad and all coordinated through a great plm...

For 9 designers, in my opinion, a pdm is indispensable, even for many less, personal opinion. I would use it myself, in fact I am informing myself, because there are many functions that speed up the work a lot.

 

[cacciatorino]

For 9 designers, in my opinion, a pdm is indispensable, even for many less, personal opinion. I would use it myself, in fact I am informing myself, because there are many functions that speed up the work a lot.

depends on what you're using.

 

[windreef]

depends on what you're using.

I speak for inventor. the features of a pdm has them all through design assistant but with vault do before there is little to say.

 

[windreef]

depends on what you're using.

But how do you apologize? Is there a cad that manages the revisions alone? I currently put a _number revision to the files but it is really a ball.. .

 

[cacciatorino]

But how do you apologize? Is there a cad that manages the revisions alone? I currently put a _number revision to the files but it is really a ball.. .

It's an aspect. For example, working in teams in creo/direct modeling is impossible without pdm, with solid edge and solidworks instead is. I know consolidated companies that manage the revisions without pdm anyway.

 

[cacciatorino]

I speak for inventor. the features of a pdm has them all through design assistant but with vault do before there is little to say.

It is obvious that the pdm helps, but it was discussing the cost/benefit ratio

 

[windreef]

It's an aspect. For example, working in teams in creo/direct modeling is impossible without pdm, with solid edge and solidworks instead is. I know consolidated companies that manage the revisions without pdm anyway.

How do they do that? It is not polemic, just to understand

 

[Kaji]

How do they do that? It is not polemic, just to understand

I have pdm so I have never run versions without pdm, but for example create elements direct modeling I think it exploits the ability of the cad to simultaneously manage the "versions" to manage both variants and configurations and probably also other cads have similar features that are probably exploited for other applications, for example configurations etc.

then if you do not have the possibility to have a pdm there are still software type access but free that help you manage the files, but of course they are not integrated with the cad.

 

[windreef]

I have pdm so I have never run versions without pdm, but for example create elements direct modeling I think it exploits the ability of the cad to simultaneously manage the "versions" to manage both variants and configurations and probably also other cads have similar features that are probably exploited for other applications, for example configurations etc.

then if you do not have the possibility to have a pdm there are still software type access but free that help you manage the files, but of course they are not integrated with the cad.
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Thank you very much
inventor, whom I know, has no such function.
with access I made a database to recreate the structure of the different assemblies and then to be able to search in how many and what assemblies was used a component, but after a little I left to lose because the management lost more time than the real benefit.

 

[Testone]

I have pdm so I have never run versions without pdm, but for example create elements direct modeling I think it exploits the ability of the cad to simultaneously manage the "versions" to manage both variants and configurations and probably also other cads have similar features that are probably exploited for other applications, for example configurations etc.

then if you do not have the possibility to have a pdm there are still software type access but free that help you manage the files, but of course they are not integrated with the cad.
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thanks to the information....I have never found in solidworks such a function.. .

 

[cacciatorino]

How do they do that? It is not polemic, just to understand

on this I have to give you reason, usually you do manually by adding an exponent to the file name. then solid edge has built-in search for windows so the "where used" is practically instantaneous even on archives of thousands of files.
But it's just one aspect, I've seen ten designers live without pdm.

cocreate modeling (now "creo/dircet modeling") is basically unusable in team without pdm, also because most metadata management goes through pdm and not through parts and groups.

 

[Testone]

I reconnect to some messages from last week...I never have enough time to do everything I want

for the company's internal pcs you don't need the cloud, just a server with shared folders between the various pcs of the network.

very clear, in fact the problem of synchronization and sharing was born with the sudden appearance of work from home, with 3/4 people working from home, and are those that create more 3d geometries of all, because the part of technical office closest to production is present in the company

For 9 designers, in my opinion, a pdm is indispensable, even for many less, personal opinion. I would use it myself, in fact I am informing myself, because there are many functions that speed up the work a lot.

depends on what you're using.

I also like the idea of pdm a lot, but after collecting some information the implementation is not so friendly in our case. one of the main rocks is the existence of two cads in the company...soldiworks + solidedge.
the technician who made us a mini presentation of solidworks pdm crooked a bit the nose when he knew that we also use solidedge and is not sure of compatibility
on the solidedge side they offered us teamcenter, that I know (used in combo with nx) but it is a software that seems to me even too great for our needs, and maybe it is not very easy to set, for us that we do not even have an internal it.. .
the central database would still be on the server in the company, for all cases.

I do not yet have contacts with readytoworks, which perhaps being a pdm out of the tour of the great software houses has more compatibility, I will see in the next few rounds what they can offer. That said the way of a pdm seems more and more challenging....

@ windreef, what pdm are you considering for your use, even for one person?

thanks to all

 

[windreef]

@ windreef, what pdm are you considering for your use, even for one person?

thanks to all

Only autodesk vault and ready2works, the second, I will deepen only if the price is much lower than vault, as vault I used it for 10 years it works fine and not from any problem (with inventor) , except with the latest versions we ruined the software.