Blackline
Guest
for management should be understood what data you want to manage otherwise in finder files is enough
windreef
Guest
Blackline
Guest
no should be available on the web
cacciatorino
Guest
Actually, he has to handle his colleagues in smart working, what does this finder file do? I did not find exact references on the web.
windreef
Guest
blackline was responding to the first post of a year ago.
windreef
Guest
boh, I searched, there are many finder files but reported to windows type explores resources but nothing reported to inventor.
drake
Guest
I intervene in the discussion very interesting, I hope without going to ot.
I carry out my work in 2 different places, daily, put day in one and a half in the other. for this reason I bought dropbox subscription with which I synced everything perfectly. then I started doing research x replacing a cloud service with something of mine and arrived at nas and qnap in particular. it seems that qnap has the best software of others, but this is however subjective and substantially irrelevant.
slightly less than a year ago I bought a qnap and closed dropbox subscription. I tried to sync my work, but then I had to desist, and today I use my nas x save the data locally, from one of the 2 stations and nothing more. I desisted because it was infinitely slower than dropbox and in practice I could not synchronize the job in just a few minutes, as I did with the latter. I'm sure I didn't turn it on, but it's so much. I couldn't understand the reason for extreme slowness and I didn't try anymore, however I would like to understand more and maybe try again.
If you write to me your experience, I might perhaps understand something more.
Thank you.
I carry out my work in 2 different places, daily, put day in one and a half in the other. for this reason I bought dropbox subscription with which I synced everything perfectly. then I started doing research x replacing a cloud service with something of mine and arrived at nas and qnap in particular. it seems that qnap has the best software of others, but this is however subjective and substantially irrelevant.
slightly less than a year ago I bought a qnap and closed dropbox subscription. I tried to sync my work, but then I had to desist, and today I use my nas x save the data locally, from one of the 2 stations and nothing more. I desisted because it was infinitely slower than dropbox and in practice I could not synchronize the job in just a few minutes, as I did with the latter. I'm sure I didn't turn it on, but it's so much. I couldn't understand the reason for extreme slowness and I didn't try anymore, however I would like to understand more and maybe try again.
If you write to me your experience, I might perhaps understand something more.
Thank you.
cacciatorino
Guest
dropbox is one of the very few synchronization software that uses the "block level sync" is for what is extremely quicker than other systems.
Blackline
Guest
Sorry but I didn't understand, the finder file is a program that finds indexed files looking in the paths indicated for example servers, various pc units etc, to manage colleagues in smart working I don't know if it is suitable
windreef
Guest
the speed of the nas qnap depends on the internet connection, but if the data to be saved are many, like the work of a morning then probably will not be enough a few minutes.
I work with the nas always connected, so save (or save) a file and is immediately synchronized, so you have not waited, but if you synchronize once a day then the waiting time should be taken into account, unless you use fiber 1000.
drake
Guest
I could find that it does not depend on internet connection, which is the same,otherwise it would have been more or less similar to dropbox times. the slowness is due to some later thing, which as I said I did not deepen. but if I have to sync to move I can accept a few minutes for charity but not more. Specifically I had tried synchronizing with the cloud and via vpn port, but I did not notice differences.
cacciatorino
Guest
It's not like that. practically dropbox manages to upload only the modified part of each file that has to update. other services (google drive, onedrive, etc) recharge the modified file in full, not only differences.
if you have a 10 mb design and add a quota and then save, it happens that dropbox charge 150 kb, other services charge 10 mb.
That's what I told you as a block level sync, but maybe you didn't go into it.
then another problem if you do not use the cloud:
Transfers between servers and clients occur at the speed of uploading the connection of those who must upload, which is usually 1/10 of the download, so when you synchronize go to the speed of uploading the line, not to the download. If your qnap server uploads to a cloud at night, you will discard the cloud in the morning at download speed, not from the qnap server at server upload speed. That's why the system is intrinsically slower.
windreef
Guest
Pobably the system is slower than dropbox, but the philosophy of use is working online so synchronization is in real time .Unlike if your job needs do not allow you to be always online but connect to synchronize at the end of work maybe even consistent, I think it is not the best solution for you.
For example, I always work at the fixed, when I have to go to customers, the night before I attack the laptop to the network, synchronize and I am ready but normally it takes an hour also depends on how much I have to synchronize, I try to do it all the nights not to stay too far back.
drake
Guest
gentlemen I have understood perfectly that it depends on the speed of synchronization, which with dorpbox is superlative and can not waste time. I had taken the nas xché it seemed that you could subtitle dropbox even according to what was advertised on their site and read on the net. but then at practical time I rediscovered that it is not so at all. I repeat, I may have committed some inaccuracies. I'm still important to myself. Anyway I fixed synchronizing work with an external disk. operation that I do in no time at the beginning and end of the daily work sessions. I wouldn't buy the nas for this purpose.
Testone
Guest
Bye to all,
after a few messages from the last days I collected some info that I summarize here in case they were useful for everyone. many info I have collected through other sources are the same highlighted in previous posts by hunter, drake and others.
@cacciatorino, I've never heard of block level sync, thanks to the information, I'll deepen my hang.
solution nas
qnap looks like those with the most listed software, but also others have similar systems (western digital, dlink). relevant notes (at least in my case) are that:
nas would be connected to the company network. users outside the company work locally, to run open file alerts, in use etc...they should always be connected in vpn, which almost never happens.
if 3-4 people synchronize all at the same time (at the end of the working day) there may be the bottleneck of the company network speed.
one-time payment to purchase nas
all data are available in the company.
cloud solution:
the limitations of first disappear and through the account of each user you have the exchange of data via the internet.
Usually the cloud service provides integrated sync/backup function etc in the face of service payment.
third party software:
there are software that you can use to manage synchronizations between single pcs and a central reference folder (which can reside on a nas, in a cloud service, or on a server), some are free, others paid etc... (e.g. freefilesync , suresync, or others still found on google.
said this, none of these systems equals or has the features of a pdm or a plm (which is the initial request of this thread) and also what I am looking for in an ideal world.
moving to systems dedicated to design I have some info for openbom. after an email exchange this is the summary: (in English as the original)
openbom has cad add-ins capable to extract data from cad systems (eg. solidworks, solid edge, and others - openbom.com/integration) and sharing it between multiple users.
while openbom allows you to send data to cloud storage, it is not a pdm tool that allows multiple cad designers to work collaboratively on the same files.
so, depending on your needs openbom functions can fit you or you might need a pdm system to manage cad file versions.
costi di openbom sembrano molto ridotti.
adesso sto raccogliendo info per grabcad, ma non ho ancora niente di concreto
after a few messages from the last days I collected some info that I summarize here in case they were useful for everyone. many info I have collected through other sources are the same highlighted in previous posts by hunter, drake and others.
@cacciatorino, I've never heard of block level sync, thanks to the information, I'll deepen my hang.
solution nas
qnap looks like those with the most listed software, but also others have similar systems (western digital, dlink). relevant notes (at least in my case) are that:
nas would be connected to the company network. users outside the company work locally, to run open file alerts, in use etc...they should always be connected in vpn, which almost never happens.
if 3-4 people synchronize all at the same time (at the end of the working day) there may be the bottleneck of the company network speed.
one-time payment to purchase nas
all data are available in the company.
cloud solution:
the limitations of first disappear and through the account of each user you have the exchange of data via the internet.
Usually the cloud service provides integrated sync/backup function etc in the face of service payment.
third party software:
there are software that you can use to manage synchronizations between single pcs and a central reference folder (which can reside on a nas, in a cloud service, or on a server), some are free, others paid etc... (e.g. freefilesync , suresync, or others still found on google.
said this, none of these systems equals or has the features of a pdm or a plm (which is the initial request of this thread) and also what I am looking for in an ideal world.
moving to systems dedicated to design I have some info for openbom. after an email exchange this is the summary: (in English as the original)
openbom has cad add-ins capable to extract data from cad systems (eg. solidworks, solid edge, and others - openbom.com/integration) and sharing it between multiple users.
while openbom allows you to send data to cloud storage, it is not a pdm tool that allows multiple cad designers to work collaboratively on the same files.
so, depending on your needs openbom functions can fit you or you might need a pdm system to manage cad file versions.
costi di openbom sembrano molto ridotti.
adesso sto raccogliendo info per grabcad, ma non ho ancora niente di concreto
cacciatorino
Guest
As for the cloud, keep in mind that in that way your project data will be stationed on a server not of your own property, you need to check whether your company (and your customers and suppliers) this can be fine or not.
that even if qnap tells you that one of the advantages of their systems is that your data remains in your home, there will be to trust a Chinese closed source software that syncs point-point, you never see that without saying anything adds a third point to their home... .
I had put on a system that I only used for backups using unison that is opensource.
marcok625
Guest
hi, you could also take a look at the plm aras innovator, you can download it for free to try some things, clearly the integration with the cad is paid.
I made a web session with the Italian software office and it seems very valid.https://www.aras.com/enwe are currently using windchill, but I disagree.
I made a web session with the Italian software office and it seems very valid.https://www.aras.com/enwe are currently using windchill, but I disagree.
Testone
Guest
In fact, there may be "political" security implications with cloud use. I will have to inform myself. . .I am confident because international customers have already moved mail services from services like microsoft, gmail etc.... and plan are migrating more and more to cloud systems to synchronize the work of the various locations?
Testone
Guest
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I haven't found this yet? I look at it tonight, thank you for the tip.? I'm resigning to pay something anyway, but I hope less than the classic pdms like that of moneyworks, which I find a little expensive.
Plus, thinking about it well, a real pdm could be even too much. at most we are in two people working on the same project
a minimum management system would be sufficient. . .unfortunately I used only teamcenter as pdm/plm and I struggle to deal with different systems.
cacciatorino
Guest
I think putting on a pdm for two users is really disproportionate.
Solid edge already has in native form many typical pdm data management functions, and adding a well configured cloud with 10 euro/month you solved all the problems.
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