pdm: what do you use and what the vs judgment?

[RuleDesigner]

spett edlxp, I share your repulsion to the controversy.

the problems you mentioned are well aware of the problems that some " improvised producers of pdm or pseudo such" have so far created on the market.

and I agree with you that from improvised reality it is good to keep away.

What I don't agree with you is the assumption that
"only the lowlevel pdm product of the cad manufacturer"
Keep you out of trouble.

the company in which I work is a reality with over 10 years of specific experience on the pdm sector (and there are not many around this sector) that (even just looking at the site you understand) has its own vision of product (product data management but not only automation in generating them and automatism in sharing them) that distinguishes it not little from the panorama of other producers.

It's a serious reality, (and if so I wouldn't have gone) that usually doesn't leave customers to suffer the penis of hell, and indeed (you can verify it by contacting them) very often is ready with new cad integrations before even starting the distribution of the new release of the product cad in turn.

 

[edlxyp]

spett edlxp, I share your repulsion to the controversy.

the problems you mentioned are well aware of the problems that some " improvised producers of pdm or pseudo such" have so far created on the market.

and I agree with you that from improvised reality it is good to keep away.

What I don't agree with you is the assumption that
"only the lowlevel pdm product of the cad manufacturer"
Keep you out of trouble.

the company in which I work is a reality with over 10 years of specific experience on the pdm sector (and there are not many around this sector) that (even just looking at the site you understand) has its own vision of product (product data management but not only automation in generating them and automatism in sharing them) that distinguishes it not little from the panorama of other producers.

It's a serious reality, (and if so I wouldn't have gone) that usually doesn't leave customers to suffer the penis of hell, and indeed (you can verify it by contacting them) very often is ready with new cad integrations before even starting the distribution of the new release of the product cad in turn.

All right, though, please, that's enough.

 

[The_Matrix]

> but remain of my opinion, may I?
[gent.le ruledesigner, sono stato un po' incerto se risponderti e alimentare ulteriori polemiche, visto che sei molto bravo ad utilizzarle per farti pubblicità.

lo faccio una ultima volta, per rispetto agli altri lettori del forum, che (spero) possa tornare ad essere un luogo dove scambiarsi opinioni tra persone, magari male informate ma che, sicuramente, non vogliono diffamare nessuno.

parto dall'inizio: non conoscendo il vs. prodotto, mi sono limitato (come credono facciano molti) a inserire "ruledesigner" in google; invito tutti a farlo ed a capire che voi e engineering siete due società divise, adesso tu me lo hai precisato ed io ne prendo atto.

vengo (in breve) alla mia esperienza personale, sono resp. tecnico in una media azienda meccanica/impiantistica, ho preso parte alla scelta del pdm, (non del cad perchè già presente) e ne ho visionati parecchi (non ruledesigner, sorry ... my mistake).

alla fine ho scelto pdm enterprise perchè stufo (da mia esperienza precedente in abiente autodesk con pdm third party) che ad ogni cambio di release (e talvolta di service pack) si perdesse qualcosa, si dovesse rimetter mano, si dovesse stare a divire le colpe.

oppure, in alternativa, mi è capitato di stare sei mesi appeso prima di installare una nuova release cad, in attesa fosse aggiornato il plug-in.

chi fa o ha fatto il mio lavoro credo saprà cosa vuol dire stare tra degli utenti che si lamentano, un capo che ti fulmina e due fornitori che fanno il ping-pong.

ovviamente (ma non suoni offesa per il tuo collaboratore) tutti i responsabili delle cad integration che ho incontrato mi hanno sempre garantito che i link e i riferimenti venivano preservati .....

immagino che il tuo prodotto non abbia nessun problema di questo tipo, te lo auguro e lo auguro soprattutto ai tuoi clienti presenti e futuri.

sull'aspetto ecomico permettimi di non entrare, quello (per fortuna) lo hanno trattato altri.

un cordiale saluto a tutti.

My company sells the world's most popular and famous plm...
I'm not even telling you what it is...
I get out of the "dresses" of the "work_work_in_s [Bleep] technique and I tell you that you're not wrong. .
Do you need a pdm that manages your data cad and aut?? choose with tranquility the one proposed by your seller cad.
a more "powerful" pdm, but which inevitably leads to greater "risks", presupposes a corporate revolution that not everyone can afford or want to do.
you need a strong "sponsor" within the company.. .
It takes money...
you need a team spirit...

good choice and good implementation. :finger:

 

[marcof]

(cut_spottone on)
the company where I work is a reality with over 10 years of specific experience on the pdm industry
(laughs)

All right, though, please, that's enough.

Cube quoting!
commercial lords are prayed not to enlarge too much in shooting links to everything spy and repeat obsessively. In the past we have done indigestion, but a digestive bland is enough and we have rid ourselves of it.

 

[Oldwarper]

I invite retailers or those who are clearly "interested" to the question for commercial reasons to moderate their "excitement" and remain in the tracks of the choice of a pdm.
I sincerely don't have it and for me it's almost all "Arab", but further comments on "who has it most 'nice/good/great/famous" that do not concern the effective implementation of a pdm in the company reality will be cashed.

 

[Syncmaster]

All right, though, please, that's enough.

:finger:

che barba....

 

[Matteo]

in principle to me the idea of a pdm of "third parties" likes much more than a global system... and I say it as user of different cads (proes, swx, sc) in very different disputes (from multinational to srl of 15 employees).

 

[re_solidworks]

pdm that I use for solidworks is third parties. in my opinion it is worth being an excellent tool for pmi and technical offices that do service like mine. vedrei pdmworks enterprise more suitable for a large company, but for pmi in my opinion it is much better than I use.
It is true that the output of the product is normally postponed compared to the output of the corresponding swx version, but it is also true that installing swx in sp 0.0 is equivalent to getting hurt and it is advisable to apsettare at least 2-3 service pack, therefore the thing does not weigh me.
I am testing the 2011 pdm from July and I would say that it is almost ready for launch, in the sense that everything works properly and does not respond to begs or problems.
what I really like is also the direct relationship with the manufacturer that allows the user to obtain in reasonable times many of the best requests, on the other hand who produces the product really sees (and not in words) the product grow and change according to the demands of the users.
I believe that all this is not possible with the pdms of the great software house, for which you are the customer number 34.671.

 

[edlxyp]

pdm that I use for solidworks is third parties. in my opinion it is worth being an excellent tool ..

Surely (see your long militancy) you do not need my appreciation but I want to tell you anyway that, in my opinion, is how you put yourself in a forum. Think differently from me, you made different choices (probably in a different context) but it's fine, we're here to tell us.

What you're saying is just right. I have seen more than one pdm tied to solidworks and those third-party are more provided assurances of "customs" (even trivial but very useful in everyday work) that have been added over the years, on user recommendation.

On the other hand, in my company (I believe a thread + structured, without being a multinational) weighed (in addition to the arguments already shown by me) the fact that almost all these tools do not have a real "vault" and do not allow a management of the "workflow of documents, that is, they are excellent managers of data cad (and not cad) but not of real pdms, in the acceptance that today you want to give it.

Finally, my conviction, which conditioned my decision and on which I would like to know the opinion.
I think, since the cad + or - we all have it, the pdm will be the business of the future, prove it is the can-can that raises itself to just talk about it...
smelling the deal, in this scenario are entering first person the cad producers (ug, dassault, tomorrow I believe autodesk) who have the knife ( ... software) on the side of the handle.
to what I know some of them are already inserting the pdm "bundle" in the cad product (e.g. dassault with catia), now I ask myself: When we find a cad version with encrypted metadata, what will the various plug-ins, references, etc... of third-party products do?
Hello, everyone.

 

[Matteo]

Finally, my conviction, which conditioned my decision and on which I would like to know the opinion.
I think, since the cad + or - we all have it, the pdm will be the business of the future, prove it is the can-can that raises itself to just talk about it...
smelling the deal, in this scenario are entering first person the cad producers (ug, dassault, tomorrow I believe autodesk) who have the knife ( ... software) on the side of the handle.
to what I know some of them are already inserting the pdm "bundle" in the cad product (e.g. dassault with catia), now I ask myself: When we find a cad version with encrypted metadata, what will the various plug-ins, references, etc... of third-party products do?
Hello, everyone.

I'm afraid it'll happen soon... placing a pdm often is equivalent to conditioning the company's future choices in cad/fem/cam material... type when windows imposed us (in part it does acnora) wmp and iexplorer

 

[cacciatorino]

to what I know some of them are already inserting the pdm "bundle" in the cad product (e.g. dassault with catia), now I ask myself: When we find a cad version with encrypted metadata, what will the various plug-ins, references, etc... of third-party products do?
Hello, everyone.

I think it's gonna depend on who's gonna make technical choices inside the company. The fact that the pdm will put everything in an encrypted db you know before you buy, so if you buy it you valued and accepted the risk. If you don't like it, other cad and pdm is full of the world and the supplier says "no thanks, we prefer to avoid attacking us on your leash life natural during". to the third or fourth race that they will lose for that reason they will begin to ask a few questions.. .

then, company side, you should turn a routine that every night you carry in step/dwg/pdf/txt all files created daily. ...

 

[re_solidworks]

pdm that I use for solidworks is third parties. in my opinion it is worth being an excellent tool ..


On the other hand, in my company (I believe a thread + structured, without being a multinational) weighed (in addition to the arguments already shown by me) the fact that almost all these tools do not have a real "vault" and do not allow a management of the "workflow of documents, that is, they are excellent managers of data cad (and not cad) but not of real pdms, in the acceptance that today you want to give it.

on this you are right, I do not have the vault and sincerely this factor weighed a lot during the choice. I think if a technician wants to extract and steal data he can do it even with the vault, but I have a big fear of the vault in case something weeps and the drawings are no longer accessible. Maybe it will be wrong, but I find it more reassuring to see my native files from exploring resources.
As for pdmwe I know that it is customizable and the manufacturer of my pdm is putting heavily on our hands creating a lot of customizations. Obviously the cost with customizations becomes higher than a product already ready.. .

then, company side, you should turn a routine that every night you carry in step/dwg/pdf/txt all files created daily. ...

so much to make an example of the functionality required by users with my might, enabling an option, saving pdf and dwg of a table updated to each save the native design.
In this way I would always have pdf and dwg available without opening the model.

 

[Parametric_Ozzy]

cut...

I believe that the choice not to follow the "gregge" but to ask what can be the best product to trust is a wise choice.
Moreover it is the same choice that each of us has made when he has chosen his own cad, so it is not understood why on the cad is made a meditated choice while on the pdm it is considered more appropriate to adopt what passes the convent !!!

If there is an independent supplier of pdm/plm products in my opinion it must be assessed for at least 3 spidersi :

1) a company that has as core business the pdm plm very often has a specific culture on the matter superior to those who have as the first objective the sale of the graphic tool; for this is very often a consulting partner and address on the appreciable matera and advantage for the user

2) to be able to stay on the market must make better products (more complete, easier to install and use more flexible etc) to differentiate from the default choice (provare x credere)(3) gives last last but not the least If you tie hands and feet to a single supplier for cad and pdm, when you decide for adventure or need to abandon your cad (for all reasons or vicissitudes that in life can happen) , there would be the aggravio of a pdm provider that surely does not facilitate you ....

I take some of your considerations that I have are purely commercial.
1-when we talk about pdm/plm it is essential that the company understands all the mechanisms and regulations that manage the technical staff in this case, so also the graphic tools, not knowing thoroughly the behaviors of cad/cae/cam means not implementing fundamental functions in a plm, even more when you pull out the multicad word.

2- true, but resuming the above, then we should have a higher culture also in erp/mrp matter.

3-for many instead it is a non-banal advantage, moreover write correctly that in life everything can happen, the fact of predicting a change cad, or better still to work with more cad must always be considered, in fact there are products that fanni from years cito windchill, cyto teamcenter, if you buy a plm of siemens rather than of ptc, you are not obliged to buy

I don't know what mutupli contexts you're using.
However all ties are automatically redirected from the old name on the new name.
It wouldn't be a pdm if he lost links. Don't you think?

multiple contexts are on the agenda.. .

Yes, after verification made with the cad integration manager, I can confirm that these links are preserved.
If someone is curious we are obviously available to show it through webinar.

about the fact that ruledesigner though multi-produced on the front cad, is able to give such support to the specific peculiarities of each cad I do not find it at all strange.

Moreover a third party product comes almost always after, and very often after the customer tried the one natively proposed by the supplier of cad .
if it was not far superior (for quality, functionality, usability, opening in terms of integration possibilities etc) who would choose it?

These are also purely commercial statements aimed at advertising a tool that has this strategy as core business.
greetings