perito designer employee without p.iva and registration albo

[-Mc-]

Hello, everyone.
I want to share with you a question that has created some tension in the company;
I am dependent without match iva framed as employee mechanical designer 5 level.
Having a three-year degree, I decided to enroll in the expert's register (mechanical specialization) by next year (I will shortly have the exam).
to you I ask:
How do I manage the situation after I'm in writing?
I will, until there are other possibilities, employee mechanical designer without p.iva enrolled in the atbo as not practicing the profession: This, according to the college and according to some people, is not legal and probably I could be fined.
Can you give me advice?
Is someone in my own situation?

 

[davide75]

It seems strange to me because I have been enrolled in the albo for 11 years, I pay the quota but I am dependent on the company and I have not left iva. When I went to inform myself, I was not told that I went to sanctions. Consider that I graduated with the old order in 2003 and I don't know if the rules have changed.
I did not army but I had written in the possibility that in a future I could undertake the free profession.
I leave the word to those who are more experienced than me

 

[-Mc-]

When I went to inform myself, I was not told that I went to sanctions. Consider that I graduated with the old order in 2003 and I don't know if the rules have changed.

yes, at the time there was a "category" of non-practicing members who could be enrolled but inactive; now the rules have changed and, in addition to compulsory training credits both for practitioners the profession that not, has been eliminated this "category";
try to feel your college too so we can compare; I think there is an alternative way to the compulsory opening of our employees.

 

[Gioan]

Hi.
Can I ask you why you don't sign up for a degree at the Engineers' Office (section b)? in this case you would have much higher skills than the college of experts)
Thank you.

 

[radio]

Hello, everyone.
I want to share with you a question that has created some tension in the company;
I am dependent without match iva framed as employee mechanical designer 5 level.
Having a three-year degree, I decided to enroll in the expert's register (mechanical specialization) by next year (I will shortly have the exam).
to you I ask:
How do I manage the situation after I'm in writing?
I will, until there are other possibilities, employee mechanical designer without p.iva enrolled in the atbo as not practicing the profession: This, according to the college and according to some people, is not legal and probably I could be fined.
Can you give me advice?
Is someone in my own situation?

I am exactly in your own situation, graduated in the distant 80s I supported the exam and I enrolled a few years ago, only to see if the few neurons I am endowed with were still alive.
I'm an employee and I've never practiced the profession.

yes, at the time there was a "category" of non-practicing members who could be enrolled but inactive; now the rules have changed and, in addition to compulsory training credits both for practitioners the profession that not, has been eliminated this "category";
try to feel your college too so we can compare; I think there is an alternative way to the compulsory opening of our employees.

I will try to hear the boarding school as well, in addition to paying the annual fee only for the benefit of doing so, I would not want to go to some casino.

Bye.

 

[-Mc-]

Can I ask you why you don't sign up for a degree at the Engineers' Office (section b)? in this case you would have much higher skills than the college of experts)

in all honesty, I did not know that it existed; I have not yet understood that advantages give me to be enrolled in the food; I enrich my curriculum, but at a practical/worker level, not practicing as a professional, I do not know what advantages/new outlets on the market I could have. Now I signed up for personal satisfaction as he did radio.
now, however, I would like to deepen the speech and ask your help:
what can they do more than others?
in which new jobs/mansions could I propose to me in companies?

I will try to hear the boarding school as well, in addition to paying the annual fee only for the benefit of doing so, I would not want to go to some casino.

Yes, it seems that the problem is ethical (unfair competition) as we are subpaid, so exploited not having a fee, and of inps/eppi, as, being subpaid, we are evaders.. .
The more bells feel, the better...
It seems that being enrolled is almost a point to disadvantage as the company also risks the fine.
I was however told that, as the regulation changes, it is likely that it is again considered the class of inactive people but enrolled both for the speech "to be in place with the contract as employee" and for the compulsory training speech that is becoming a way to extort other money to the members. . .

 

[essebi]

consider that the tariff discourse no longer exists as the minimum rates have been abolished; However to enroll in the order of engineers it is necessary to have supported the state examination as an engineer. for the college of experts the examination of state by expert. However the status of employee is not unfair competition as you did not match VAT, unfavoured and pay inps social security contributions.

 

[-Mc-]

employee status is not unfair competition as you did not match VAT, unfavoured and pay inps social security contributions.

As far as I know, the fee for parcels still exists for experts.
the regulation of the albo is clear and constitutes law of the ministry. . .
intellectual property documents must be carried out as professionals; to protect the order.
a designer only produces documents of intellectual property.
for this reason who has left iva must use two types of p.iva: one as a professional expert and the other that concerns its activity by dividing what is produced as intellectual property and what not.
(This is what I've been told and, if you think about it, it makes a logical sense as you depreciate the professional's work by taking a hunger salary over what you'd expect).

 

[re_solidworks]

As far as I know, the fee for parcels still exists for experts.
the regulation of the albo is clear and constitutes law of the ministry. . .
intellectual property documents must be carried out as professionals; to protect the order.
a designer only produces documents of intellectual property.
for this reason who has left iva must use two types of p.iva: one as a professional expert and the other that concerns its activity by dividing what is produced as intellectual property and what not.
(This is what I've been told and, if you think about it, it makes a logical sense as you depreciate the professional's work by taking a hunger salary over what you'd expect).

as a professional, instead, are the compensations of satisfaction? without controversy, eh, but it's better to leave it alone.

to answer one of the issues, I believe that the big advantage of the registration to the register derives from the possibility "adjusted" to have insurance for civil liability. In case you open an individual business game it is difficult to get a serious policy of this type.

 

[essebi]

http://www.peritindustrialicremona.it/dmdocuments/circolare_parametri.pdf "We remember that the use of these parameters [...] does not constitute a re-edition of the tariffs, [...] the abolition was further confirmed. "

 

[-Mc-]

as a professional, instead, are the compensations of satisfaction? without controversy, eh, but it's better to leave it alone.

I don't know what you mean.

"We remember that the use of these parameters [...] does not constitute a re-edition of the tariffs, [...] the abolition was further confirmed. "

Okay, I didn't know about this update.

 

[PierArg]

Bye to all,

I honestly didn't understand a bat!:tongue:

Let me understand, who is enrolled in the register and works as an employee at a company cannot practice the profession as private both because of unfair competition and for bureaucratic reasons?

in general to solve unfair competition many companies propose (obviously under payment) a non-competition pact.

 

[enri]

the point is that you can't issue invoice not having VAT, but I don't think there are rules on the possibility of having small assignments, at least in our albo, at the limit will do occasionally, but up to a ceiling, an invoice with the statement.

 

[PierArg]

I knew that up to 5000€ you could have billed with the tax code... but don't give it good because I'm completely ignorant about it.

 

[-Mc-]

No, I summarize two arguments that I would like to deepen:

- the expert mechanical specialization enrolled in the register, but not operational (which pays the reduced registration fee), can work as normal employee employed mechanical designer? or risk fines/ammonitions going being "illegal"?

- the expert mechanical specialization enrolled at work, what advantages does it have compared to another apart from tax concessions? which outlets can have more in this world of work in crisis?
I mean, now that I'm in writing, I find it easier to work? Where?

Let us, please, refrain from personal opinions: is there someone who knows the laws well and knows how to give a precise and correct answer?

 

[PierArg]

. .
Let us, please, refrain from personal opinions: is there someone who knows the laws well and knows how to give a precise and correct answer?

I don't understand that any of us have given personal opinions.

 

[-Mc-]

the point is that you can't issue invoice not having VAT, but I don't think there are rules on the possibility of having small assignments, at least in our albo, at the limit will do occasionally, but up to a ceiling, an invoice with the statement.

as non-professional enrolled in the atbo, you can not have assignments (otherwise, operational professionals what are they doing? )

I don't understand that any of us have given personal opinions.

I didn't mean to put answers in the air.
I would like to have very technical opinions in this discussion, from people prepared on the subject because many, reading, could take the written phrases for truth; the problem exists and is very serious. there are colleagues who have seen coming very salty fines (about 50,000 euros); I do not know the details of the stories, but only the fact that everything was born for the problem mentioned at the beginning: registration of the inactive albo, no game iva but employee having as job an activity inherent in the specialization.

I knew that up to 5000€ you could have billed with the tax code... but don't give it good because I'm completely ignorant about it.

This is a mouthful.. .
:redface:

 

[XANADU65]

Hello, everyone.
I read the discussion. .
and if you allow I can answer as I do:
I am unenabled geometra ...so not enrolled in the college of geometri, but I have always practiced both as employee and private the work of designer.
as an employee designer I felt regular salary but if it happened to have to do private jobs I always used the method of the occasional performance receipt ... so with tax code and trying not to exceed €5.000,00 gross.
is unfair competition if you do the same job for both your company and another competitor (with p. iva or occasional performance receipt) to what you hired. I used to work with the company that had hired me and collaborated privately with building companies "invoking" with occasional performance receipts.
for occasional performance receipts just the tax code and you can also not be enrolled in any atbo or order or college.
Even occasional performance receipts have been somewhat regulated, on the internet you find enough material about it.
I hope I've been a little help

 

[XANADU65]

I forgot to add something ...with the occasional performance ....not designer...but only designer ...I'm sure nothing stamp and no signature, it will only result and simple graphics processing even if you have made calculations and designed.

 

[XANADU65]

Let me add one last thing
1) be enrolled in a professional order/college in addition to making your professionalism recognize you do not pass the job, that you have to look for it.
2) to make the designer with p. iva entails, like every job risks and dangers, not only to have to procure the job, to fight to have a compensation more or less reasonable (most of the times much cut by the client) to do it in very narrow times ... so if you do not accept the job there is always someone who will do it at a lower price of your...and run dulcis in fundo and maybe get paid . .
with the registration of the professional register in this last thing you are protected.