jo-jo
Guest
I wanted to know if to make a quote for a mold, do you use six specific software? :finger:
tecnico_plast
Guest
we refer to the constraints of other moulds, and then we make the necessary corrections.
Unfortunately making exact estimates is not easy, the numbers that come out are absolutely out of the market most often.
It takes a lot of experience.
Unfortunately making exact estimates is not easy, the numbers that come out are absolutely out of the market most often.
It takes a lot of experience.
IPdesign
Guest
Technical quoti plast
other times we make a quote to the mold designer ( subscribed ) and who builds it formulates its cost on the basis of the project cost
other times we make a quote to the mold designer ( subscribed ) and who builds it formulates its cost on the basis of the project cost
SHIREN
Guest
Hello everyone
the quotes!!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
after 40 years I don't know
do nu tappo pigli 10.000€
spacecraft 2000€:36_1_4:
stang64
Guest
we have made estimates for different molds in recent years.
Some cost differences have been found for the different type of approach that the designer has to imagine the mold and materials used.
In our case, designers have given different solutions with their different costs, even 30%.
What most has left us doubts is that some solutions, according to us very demanding, cost less...this perhaps relates to the ship with its cap.
I think there's confusion in general and maybe a little approximation.
greetings
Some cost differences have been found for the different type of approach that the designer has to imagine the mold and materials used.
In our case, designers have given different solutions with their different costs, even 30%.
What most has left us doubts is that some solutions, according to us very demanding, cost less...this perhaps relates to the ship with its cap.
I think there's confusion in general and maybe a little approximation.
greetings
mali_fx
Guest
the best software in the world is the experience
IPdesign
Guest
all very true, but to be honest the confusion and approximation mostly lies in both sides ..
and as if it wasn't enough miss the desire/time/competence to sit and discuss these differences
SHIREN
Guest
hi ip...all very true, but to be honest the confusion and approximation mostly lies in both sides ..
and as if it wasn't enough miss the desire/time/competence to sit and discuss these differences
at the specific moment of this fetish crisis
the skills the time above all the "sedersi" do not fail on the contrary subscribe
unfortunately commands who pays the stamps
in specific today who pays is preparing for the crisis
but it is also true that in times happier the moldists have always brought home a kit of disproportionate money in front of what they built
I say for personal experience that this is also a part of motivation for
the transfer of production and technology in Asian countries
Thank you very much
I wish you a great weekend
promecvergani
Guest
our study also provides mold preventive service.the whole rightly intersects with a quick study of how you want to build the mold on paper.justly it counts a lot the experience acquired over the years but it also counts to know the type of work to perform, with which machine they are executed. last problem that is rising is em thread. how much to rate hourly cost em wire in a new mold? many tools point out that em wire after programmed works by itself and therefore to break down costs calculate only the cost wire, electricity, filters, nozzles etc. but such a speech can do it who already 'absorbed the machine and in this case is already 'old and with performance lower than other tools. customers approffittano to have molds at lower cost. other chaos is that lately with the crisis there are tools that while working out work in loss ruining the market, making discounts on actual quotes and past hand. a question I ask myself: But the estimates are still worth making them when sometimes the customer imposes the price?
the impossilbile sometimes doesn't want to do it
SHIREN
Guest
http://www.microcae.com/note/stampo.htmseems to have invented a specific sw to value a mold
on the bottom of the home page there is an example
Windows_Expert
Guest
Hi.
I want to tell you the experience that happened to me a few years ago.
I'm a designer, made by myself. I did a cad course but I never worked in a design studio. I was a programmer first.
my client had commissioned me the design of a container consisting of 2 shells that closed with 2 hooks and shield.
I also had the responsibility to find a company that made mold and molding.
My client wanted the finished pieces and the mold didn't even want to know that it existed.
I made some estimates around but I realized that the mold prices were high. In the end I found a moldist who told me that it was available to review the price at the bottom of 30 % (yes, you read well, 30 %) if I had made changes to the 2 models.
I made the required changes and got a great price of the mold.
his most important request was to have a flat mold division line.
from that experience I understood the following things:
1) every time I have to draw a piece that will be printed, telephone to the molder and submit the preliminary design and I feel that modifications proposes me, compatibly with the functionality of the piece.
2) when drawing I always think about how they will be matrix and punch and division line
first I designed expensive 3d models.... now I always design with an eye for the cost of the mold.
Hi.
I want to tell you the experience that happened to me a few years ago.
I'm a designer, made by myself. I did a cad course but I never worked in a design studio. I was a programmer first.
my client had commissioned me the design of a container consisting of 2 shells that closed with 2 hooks and shield.
I also had the responsibility to find a company that made mold and molding.
My client wanted the finished pieces and the mold didn't even want to know that it existed.
I made some estimates around but I realized that the mold prices were high. In the end I found a moldist who told me that it was available to review the price at the bottom of 30 % (yes, you read well, 30 %) if I had made changes to the 2 models.
I made the required changes and got a great price of the mold.
his most important request was to have a flat mold division line.
from that experience I understood the following things:
1) every time I have to draw a piece that will be printed, telephone to the molder and submit the preliminary design and I feel that modifications proposes me, compatibly with the functionality of the piece.
2) when drawing I always think about how they will be matrix and punch and division line
first I designed expensive 3d models.... now I always design with an eye for the cost of the mold.
Hi.
IPdesign
Guest
that is why many companies prefer to deal with technical studies that in addition to the emgineering of the piece have experience also for the design of the mold.
in essence is what I do every day:biggrin:
stef_design
Guest
Okay, but be careful about something. In this way, will your product come into the market? Americans would say plastic trash:wink:
that is in practice will be another (useful?!) container, without innovation, design and differentiation. we are full of "plastic objects" meaningless that, perhaps, we could do without it.
if in phase of conception of the product you always think about how the mold will be, as will the line of division, cabbage this I can not do because otherwise I need a cart, etc..... never innovate.
assume that in 2010 everything is possible (and therefore printable). returning to the Americans, they say: you don't find a moldist who can do it, simple. ..change it. There will always be one who can realize what you have in your head. So:wink:
If you always think about cost, money... I would always grow cubes; printable, economical, but still "cubes". therefore devoid of design and innovation:wink:
Hi.
SHIREN
Guest
hi big ip:::: : : : :
according to your experience
at least the commercial ones
it is better to make them in the house having the necessary equipment
or according to widespread logic it is advisable to buy them already made
because I have doubts we call them commercial
which could affect estimates
Thank you very much
IPdesign
Guest
This is a good question
in theory it is assumed that the supplier of commercial portastamps, working in series may have lower productive costs; but that these costs actually turn into advantage for the customer and not in useful for the supplier is all to see.
actually of these times the final workshop would do it only for a speech to use machinery that maybe are still and secondly to make to work internal staff that otherwise would be at home in cash integration.
here from my parts are 90% of the idea of buying from the carrier supplier.
remains 10% that if you do them because your business is often oriented on "special" products and therefore for those times that the standard has in stock the steels and if you do them anyway.
It should be said that other factors normally come into play, such as that of supplying steel, making warehouse etc.
a company that makes assemblies gives you exactly what you want at the time you need and you supply steels in massive quantities by popping discounts other than the workshop that goes to take 4 pieces of steel sometimes of measures other than need
as you see I am for the standard purchased, of course at honest costs.
then who better than you can verify the actual cost of fitting in the other way??? :biggrin::wink:
Primizio
Guest
Maybe you're right, but it's still like this from my side.
piece+complicated =
+ hours design piece
+ difficulty of prototyping piece
+ hours more hours mold design
+ hours maintenance mold
+ dificulty control tolerances reduced withdrawals. . .
As for the Americans, I would not take them as an example we all know that
that brought their long market visions.
as I wish it were as you write.
for mine (poke) exsperineza is worth the saying "you do not want to roam not to leave the sown. "
to give back these Americans....
look that a cube as it is (without sforms) is not that it is the ultimate in printability. :wink:
Greetings.
SHIREN
Guest
Hi Ip...... .
It was like you said:
because to napoli in the vicinity of the former football field of the napoli ascarelli
there existed "the dig" a kind of outdoor supermarket of iron-boat-tubs
special steels and all that resembled or at least appeared irony
it was all from the dismantling of ships of the aftergora more or less sunk that prevented from the port
But now it's over 20 years
for the molds I doubt I remain
I do and recount the commercial ones even in front of your analysis
I say I know dear and out of the market
suppliers know traditional ones that more or less everyone knows
Thank you.
IPdesign
Guest
No offense, but these periods give me the impression of being on another planet.
here from my side before showing you the piece tell you that it has to cost little...:biggrin:
If you have any names of these Americans, I complicated and expensive molds can't wait to start designing them:biggrin:
IPdesign
Guest
I want to deepen the speech, but better in private.. I do not want to make names and figures on a forum .
a day I send you an mp, first price recovery . :wink:
promecvergani
Guest
:angry: I return to this speech.
commercial portastampi= prices are high .experience = I project for a company construction molds. Well do you know that every now and then the suppliers of commercial carriers order to them the supply of the aforementioned? and honestly the industrial cost is far below what is paid to the buyer. but you also know how to recharge high percentages will never come to the cost that someone thinking of saving pay. meditate moldists:bekle:
commercial portastampi= prices are high .experience = I project for a company construction molds. Well do you know that every now and then the suppliers of commercial carriers order to them the supply of the aforementioned? and honestly the industrial cost is far below what is paid to the buyer. but you also know how to recharge high percentages will never come to the cost that someone thinking of saving pay. meditate moldists:bekle: