processing management (frequency, boring)

[CREO]

Good morning, it is the first time I use the tool then excuse me for the inaccuracies.
I'm putting in the table some details in sheet metal that after bending are processed in alesatrice.
in generating development clearly the hole comes out to finite dimensions.
passing the laser cut dxf I would have the problem of ripping with the hole to the enlarged dimensions.
Is there any chance to have development with dimensions before processing?
thanks to all.:finger:

 

[MBT]

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[Kaji]

Unfortunately in cocreate modeling there is no such cool as the "group work" of inventor, so the processing remains bound to the particular at any stage you find; At the most you can manage filters on the "full circles" for raw plates, but in my version of cocreate they are incapable of developments:

I usually in situations like this I do the preforum with manual geometry on the preworked and "hiding" that made of calculated lines.
if you want less cheated pre-worked management then you should use the stock end function that is at the bottom of the second page of the submenù part groups of fast menus (those that disappear with f9).

this function does nothing but relate the preworked with its finite; preworked that by default disappears, that when weighting the finished is not added, but that it is always there and with management parts you can make it appear, even in the design of the particular.
the only problem is that it is a distinct object so if you move the hole in the finished and forget to move the hole on the preworked he remains in the wrong position. in this case you can come to help the "parametric relationships", if of course you have the parametrics module and then impose the coaxiality of the raw hole of the preworked with the alesed one of the finished etc. etc. and every time you load the particular ensure that the relationship is blue and not green (unfortunately I did not find how to impose the automatic update of the relationships, but I think there is the way to do so)

 

[esagono]

Hi.

I read your directions, I wanted to know, how to adjust when I have to save in the pdm.

Thank you.

 

[Kaji]

I read your directions, I wanted to know, how to adjust when I have to save in the pdm.

It depends a lot on how you manage corporate codes, of course the most desirable thing is to have biunivocal correspondence between pdm and management, but this often gets complicated in the case of "pre-worked".
in my case of the company in which I work would be very simple, because the sheet cut with the pre-works and folded has a code, while the one with the finishing ties has another, so for me the most obvious and natural solution is to have two solids and the second, without alesatures of finishing, to tie it to the first through the function "fine-stock" and to save to pdm the finite relationship and the
then obviously make two separate tables with their beautiful codes, one of the finished and one of the preworked.
If instead for you pre-worked and finished han the same code, you have to see what allows you to do your pdm, mine until two years ago did not want two different solids to have the same code, but I cheat it made it do, now accept it using the "versions" (as he calls them) and finally as for the tables 2d see how you are more comfortable:
- first and second table of a single code
- make two designs on two different "sheets" of one document.mi
- make an extra view and put all the steps in one drawing sheet.

 

[esagono]

Hi.

I understand what you mean, but my problem is in managing the bond between the finite and the crude, the pdm codifies it, this creates problems with the management.
I also wanted to know two other things:
• if you manage a rough with two different ends (think of yes);
• and in the aid, of the project, how you manage the crude.

Thank you.

 

[Kaji]

Hi.
I understand what you mean, but my problem is in managing the bond between the finite and the crude, the pdm codifies it, this creates problems with the management.
I also wanted to know:
• if you manage a rough with two different ends (think of yes);

I'm not a systemist so I don't know exactly how pdm works just using my cdm pe3 that you should rely on workmanager (at least so I think I remember) so what works for me might not work if you have a different pdm.
Whereas the fine-stock function is only applicable to the parties and not to the groups, the problem of coding the report I obvious with the following procedure:

1. In this way of course you can manage also two different ends having the same rough: it is enough that you follow the procedure twice and the relationships while being different and with different codes will have within them the shared crude.
   
   As for welded and then processed assemblies, I think I meant this, if for you the worked and welded han two different codes then you are brought to the following procedure:
   1. copy the finished
   2. transport all parts copied inside a container
   3. impose that the finished is the owner of the container
   4. then if the raw parts need a design and a code, follow the same procedure with the relationships of the individual parts, thus finding a raw part in the container that represents the axieme and a rough part within its end through relationship
2. as first I share the finished
3. then I codifico as "version" of the finite and therefore assumes the same code of the finite
4. Finally I share with its code the raw part stock
5. I make the distinct base of the finite and he bypasses the relationship, having its own code, and I go automatically to take the code of the crude

normally the parts that are processed after being welded have the same code both from crude and from finite, so when I first give the code to the finished part, then exploiting the function "version" of my pdm do the same code both to the relationship and to the rough part, so both when I ask the request the pdm gives me the same code both if I click on the unworked part and on the finished one.

If instead for you together welded and worked have the same code, you can choose this long road, which forces you to have doubles (which obviously are not computed if you go to weigh the parts) and a coding perhaps longer, but you have the advantage of being able to see your welded assembly not worked inside a container that is actually a group; or you can put the raw parts through relationships to the inside of the welded ones, but if on the one hand you have a faster encoding on the other you do not have the advantage of being able to isolate your welded set and manage it as you like.

 

[esagono]

thanks for your indications, I use the same pdm pe3, but I can not manage the bond between the particular crude and the finished, see attachment I put an arrow.
I can't figure out where I'm wrong. . .

the third question I asked you about the total of the machine if the crude are manageable/visible?

thanks again for your availability.

 

[Kaji]

thanks for your indications, I use the same pdm pe3, but I can not manage the bond between the particular crude and the finished, see attachment I put an arrow.

I do not see the annex, so I can only guess, I think that your version of pe3 is no longer vetusta of my, updated 15 months ago; So I think your problem is because you find "the bond" that requires a code between the finite and the crude.
I have overcome this problem so:

• as first I share the finished piece
• then I share the raw piece
• Finally for the link in the pe3 window I go in edit and I give it the same code part of the finished piece
• now in the window below concerning the solid click on version

at this point the crude and the finished will have their nice code part corresponding to the code "solid" while the bond will have the code part of the finite and the solid code "code_finito_001".
the advantage of this procedure is that when you go to make "distinct laws from the 3d" of the finished pe3 bypass "the bond" having the same code part of the finished and you will go to automatically fish the code of the crude.

the third question I asked you about the total of the machine if the crude are manageable/visible?

sincerely I have never made a distinct "multilevel" but I think the trick before should work.

 

[esagono]

I'm sorry, I'm trying to rehabilitate the annex.

see the arrow.

 

[Kaji]

I'm sorry, I'm trying to rehabilitate the annex.

see the arrow.

open the page of pe3 emplicely go on the part (gray cube) px001492, then right click on the solid px001492, select it, copy it and then do "gift links".
at this point without doing any copying operation in any other software, go to the part (gray cube) 5a0buq01 right clicks and paste the solid px001492.
with this trick when you go to make distinct laws of part 5a0buq01 he will bypass the relationship (with equal code) and you will go to insert in separate 4b0buq01. Finally if you do not want to leave the part (gray cube) px001492 eliminate it simply.
even easier when you have to do things from scratch, there is enough that at the time of encoding when it touches the relationship on the saving page of pe3 right clicks, choose edit, go on the second page, enter the code of the finished piece and then in the pane in the bottom clicks new version and he puts the relationship inside the same part (grey cube) of the finished.

 

[esagono]

thanks for the help

 

[Superguido]

I make holes in laser cutting. Try and then I'll send you the iban to pour half the money you save.