cacciatorino
Guest
at the siemens-plm are real teachers to change the cards in the board already started..... the phrase "customer investment protection" have no idea what it means.
The_Matrix
Guest
You're weird, huh?at the siemens-plm are real teachers to change the cards in the board already started..... the phrase "customer investment protection" have no idea what it means.
we develop a pdm administration tool:
- easier
- which does not require development for most typical operations of a pdm
... obvious "different" from before where you had to hand to c++...
... result: we do not safeguard the investment of the customer.
Well, hunting... by someone who thinks that a software manufacturer can not put anti-piracy controls in their software (have you seen that it has changed?) you can expect everything, even these weird thoughts.
cacciatorino
Guest
I didn't want that anti-piracy control system, but this is perfect.
You don't have to refer to things that I didn't say at all, it's a very well-known tactic of journalistic polemics known as "straw man argument", that is, attributing to the opponent a particularly great idea to be able to fight it easily, but here it doesn't attack. :wink:
gtemp
Guest
Finally someone who supports me, I thought I was Don Chicotte.
simplify the db management system?
I am an old client who spent several days in training as an administrator?
Do I have to do the bmide course?
then give me a day of course!!
Thank you.
simplify the db management system?
I am an old client who spent several days in training as an administrator?
Do I have to do the bmide course?
then give me a day of course!!
Thank you.
The_Matrix
Guest
Unfortunately, I have the memory of an elephant. . .
and if you did not use the "research" function to search for your interventions on the topic "anti-piracy" to read the controversy about the fact that a company cannot certify its suppliers... that a software house can not let the software refuse to use non-legal parts... that the anti-piracy system would lower sales. .
cacciatorino
Guest
I'm sorry, but I'm allowed to insist, since what is written remains to imperiturate memory so I don't want to spend as a supporter of piracy.
At the same time I challenged the mode of siemens that dumped the costs and problems of piracy on honest users, instead of on the vans or the carabinieri as it would have been more honest (but more tiring for siemens). You won't find a single word where I say how much you claim, and that a company should avoid entering anti-piracy systems, I just said that method was particularly subdule and dishonest. I don't understand what's hard to understand, and I'm telling you as a person that he also lost a lot of jobs for not wanting to use soft pirates.
RuleDesigner
Guest
instead of inviting me down to the earth, think about raising your thought! ! !
gtemp is perfectly right
if the product had been designed well since the beginning it would not need to change structure or if it had been hyperparametric could have done it without weighing on the shoulders of the enduser.
ruledesigner on the occasion of the last release change was completely rewritten I would go from a .net application to a completely java at n levels without having to impose on users a change of the business model but not even a dbtransfer, preserving all personalizations because not written as code but described as process parameters and workflow .
If this is not for you the real world I am happy to be on the moon!! !
Tequila
Guest
I have lost something these days... I see that this discussion has taken tones almost from "my is bigger than yours", sin I hoped to benefit instead not.
The_Matrix
Guest
If you think so you better read carefully.
one thing you can learn, the most important, is this: a pdm is a project that imposes on the company significant changes... It's not a cad... and it's not like a cad... put the cd... install... Go...
when you have a pdm system (note that I talk about pdm and not plm... that would be pen + challenging...) you can not think of spending zero at a release change.
a dear friend of mine, now that of an Italian air company said "a pdm is like a lamp on a table... If there's a mess on the table, with the lamp you see it better... I've never seen a lamp put order on a table... "
Hi.
The_Matrix
Guest
:wink:
Come on, I'll hire you in r&d... So you go teach those four asshole ammerians how to design a plm... we need it.
and already that you are, on the return, take a round in boeing, vw, fiat, iveco, cnh, caterpillar, bosch, nissan, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc. and replace tc with this door of rul desaigner... :finger:
Come on, let's cry it here with the measurement of u....o. if you want to go replace tc with your gtemp product, contact it in pvt. :mixed:
Parametric_Ozzy
Guest
It's what you're trying to do in principle, and the questions "discuss" you prefer not to answer. . . .
It is always easy to criticize others by sputtanando the other supplier, but I think it is low-level especially if you do not seriously justify what your product has more than the other and what service you offer, always mentioning the same things with big words of which you do not know almost even the meaning.
And even worse... do not be aware that other products on the market, do the same things, at least informed before...
The_Matrix
Guest
is part of the daily "contri" between vendors.It's what you're trying to do in principle, and the questions "discuss" you prefer not to answer. . . .
It is always easy to criticize others by sputtanando the other supplier, but I think it is low-level especially if you do not seriously justify what your product has more than the other and what service you offer, always mentioning the same things with big words of which you do not know almost even the meaning.
And even worse... do not be aware that other products on the market, do the same things, at least informed before...
If this dealer rul desaigner wants to try with his plm simil facebook from gtemp, I think it is his faculty to do so.
Just contact him and make him an offer.
to me it is enough that you do not think that to add a itam type to teamcenter it is necessary to put them to develop in c/c+/c#.
here however there is a big problem of initial expectations not so adherent to reality... next fight... refusal to do a minimum training on the tc administration/configuration tool (this bmide for you that you are not within the timsenter jargon).
boh, from the words of gtemp I also understand that probably, there will be among the lawyers for the recovery of credits. Boh.
That's good for me.
Parametric_Ozzy
Guest
fully agreed. :finger:
The_Matrix
Guest
eat mai questo cane a 6 zampe eat avatar?
Parametric_Ozzy
Guest
Nice, huh? Zemplice, because I am genius of a dog!:biggrin:
Tequila
Guest
I don't think a pdm is just a cad, I just pointed out how this discussion took a [bleep] turn. the discussion I read all (and also well) and sincerely there was a bit of a beating between you and ruledesigner and then put the comments with gtemp and even hunter. who is right or wrong who is in the right or not who is the best pdm/plm or not sincerely is not to me to say because I do not have the right skills, I only said that you could benefit from the discussion instead is born only thatdesign ruleer is advertising his homonym product and that tc besides boeing, vw, fiat, iveco, cnh, caterpillar, bosch,
Tequila
Guest
You're druped by a hairy dog! :biggrin:
The_Matrix
Guest
If you think that this discussion took a [bleep] turn is because you don't understand the scope of adopting a pdm in a company.
apart from the 4 barrels/response with rul designer, what is to be grasped is the distinction between products, processes, implementations etc...
It seems clear.
or did you think he was going into the detail of the technicians of a wf?
What did you expect from a discussion like this?
Tequila
Guest
First of all I want to prescribe that I am not here to polemize or to make bagarre, as mentioned at the beginning of the thread I am also interested in the pdm, in the company we use a management (galileo) and the implementation with the cad happens through macro and my hands that pigiano the keys of the pc, so the discussion interested me for a future update (I don't think that from here to 20 years we will still use this gesture).If you think that this discussion took a [bleep] turn is because you don't understand the scope of adopting a pdm in a company.
apart from the 4 barrels/response with rul designer, what is to be grasped is the distinction between products, processes, implementations etc...
It seems clear.
or did you think he was going into the detail of the technicians of a wf?
What did you expect from a discussion like this?
already at first I asked to be as technical as possible http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showpost.php?p=214009&postcount=10 Obviously in the limit of possible also because surely a hundred pages of the forum would not be enough to explain everything and also I realize only now that for this type of product it is also difficult to be technical without touching it with hand or seeing it in action.
I said that the discussion has fallen and it is true, on one side ruledesigner that in addition to never present itself here or on this thread where it began http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=20882 . I already recalled it (although I do not have the merits seen that I am not moderator) not to advertise this software, but of course it will not have read and will have used the formula "in good or in evil, as long as you talk about it".
However apart from these things I know well that implementing a pdm in a company means to completely overturn the mentality of a person, and especially the way to work. It obliges you to follow certain patterns and certain things that at first may seem like a waste of time but after sure you don't do it anymore. I also know very well that (personalizations aside) is the user who has to adapt to the operation of the pdm and not the contrary otherwise the gears of the system are jammed, sure however that if then read phrases like at the siemens-plm are real teachers to change the cards in the board already started..... the phrase "customer investment cover" have no idea what it means. I've taken this because it seems to me the most significant.
I also did not say that you or someone else did degenerate the discussion, but only because it was degenerated because there were beatings between the 2 products mentioned.
I hope to be explained peacefully and quietly, if something is not clear I am ready to replicate.
Hi.
cacciatorino
Guest
I think you've seen worse here in the forum, :biggrin:, I just wanted to express the point of view of the user, in my case corrupted by concrete experiences.