unsatisfied neo-engineer

[Mario SJPD]

I think you have no patience. We all begin by making designers, then who's a good designer pass (there's always hunger for designers), but a past as designers of big washers we all have.

In my opinion you are probably right our marco9669 thought of graduation as a goal while in fact it is a departure that provides definitely privileged opportunities compared to a simple expert (what I am) or a professional institution, but after it is to each one of us to be asserted.

but you really struggle to understand that it is not that I decide the job that is offered to me. I have been sent offers, this was the best (I imagine the others).

I really struggle to understand it there are pages and pages of newspapers full of work research myself I have sought for 6 months an engineer to form for a company my client with all the guarantees of the case and with an indefinite intake and starting salary greater than the 1500 European net month with wide possibilities of improvement , the research is still open.
I think that the work path you choose, the choices are still daily opportunities depend on your choices and your way of ports.

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

what I try to say is that there will certainly be some engineers who will do a job as a real engineer (lucky), but most simply does a job that is enough (and perhaps advances) a diploma. Since the probability that the job you will go to is more than a graduate than an engineer is simply to stop in high school.

so if this is your thought don't be surprised if over 1500€ (and you would go luxury) you can't go.
doing a job is just the most evil way to work, and you will have to do it for at least 40 years; In my opinion it is better to take 100€ less and do a job than to take 100€ more and wake up every morning with the weight of going to work. then everyone has a personal balance in which to put the reward or the remuneration aspect; in any case it is the single that decides what to give more importance.
Don't you like what you're doing? Don't you think you're paid enough? You do self-critical and start thinking about how to change things, because no one will change them for you.
as I wrote you in my first speech I see in your post a good dose of victimism.

 

[TETRASTORE]

It wasn't easy. economic problems, feeling a failure, fighting in the family, feeling offended by everything and by everyone, not feeling good at doing anything, but eventually I did it. I hate college, but I love mechanics. I hate the university system that only teaches what you don't need at work; I hate the fact that I came out that I couldn't do anything about anything. I hate so many college things, but the thing I hate most of all is that they lied to me all this time.

from this extract of self-pity and hatred it shows that what you miss is a good dose of self-esteem.
you must start with thinking that you must feel lucky to have had the chance (for many of us denied for various reasons) to learn notions that at the moment perhaps you have no idea where and how they will find application; you are not the only one, in fact as you can see from the various testimonies to which I associate myself, it is only beginning with a modest job that little by little will open you new perspectives and opportunities and you can finally understand how to use and put to fruit what you have learned.
However, you must also consider an initial salary under your expectations, considering that if a company should bet on you in the professional profile by evaluating you according to your quotes I highlighted above, it would definitely pay you much less.

 

[stevie]

If you want more substantial salaries or open p.iva hoping to succeed, or go abroad without waiting for the red carpet, or steps to the commercial sector, the commercials are paid better than the technicians, sad truth.

 

[New Rider]

As long as you think about the title of study = high salary I think you do not go so far.
You need to split the two. you do not study to earn. .

 

[Fulvio Romano]

If you want more substantial salaries or open p.iva hoping to succeed, or go abroad without waiting for the red carpet, or steps to the commercial sector, the commercials are paid better than the technicians, sad truth.

often, not always.
And anyway, I was forced to trade for a while. I prefer to take 100€ less in pay envelope.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

but you really struggle to understand that it is not that I decide the job that is offered to me.

here is the explanation of all your problems.

 

[asblo]

and however the technical skills “pure” of a person are only a small part of what then contributes to creating a good position and consequently a good salary. much of the working skills are inherent to the company itself, a technician who knows well the machines they produce, the history of the problems, the type of market, the suppliers... without counting then all the human and parallel skills, if you are an ace to make calculations, but then you can not support a conversation on the phone with a customer, you get late, you forget things, you are stuck if the pc has a small problem... You want to have a degree, a degree or a master's degree.

we say that after reading your opening post and the various answers, I doubt that someone would want to hire you, regardless of technical skills

 

[ragnol]

I bring you my experience, which is worth what is worth and everyone will take as he thinks. work in construction, not in mechanics, but also of technical office it is.

I, graduate, both in the previous one and in the current company, for various reasons including being in the right place at the right time, take a great pay (which obviously did not give me and do not give me). all my colleagues are and have been far away, as € (but do not cover my role).

but every day of my life I regret not having done engineering, and therefore not having its preparation baggage. something I have recovered studying on my own (at school I had made admissible tensions, now it's all slender and slu), but I will never be able, for example, to do dynamic analysis of whole structures knowing really what I am doing (I don't love to make me walk away from software).

among those who graduated with me, there are those who have put themselves in their own (and how much profit is not given to know with certainty), who does the employee for 1400€ and who does the plumber.
among those who then are amche graduates same thing: who has the study in own, who is dependent paid excellently, who is "dependent" with fake game iva paid by hunger, etc.

is not the title of study that makes the check, or not only. But more skills you have more "marce" you have, I think.

and what you know/you do find out with time, not after two months of work.

 

[ragnol]

I mean, I mean, with two important information.

among the designers who are in the office, there is (from ten years) a girl who studied as a company secretary. I found her here already. He's very good. He understands things on the fly, he is precise as a razor, he works like a mule, if he doesn't know he asks. in a word is awake and wanted to learn.

Monday I get an email with the resume of a girl who, I think, proposes itself as an administrative employee.
I think, because in fact in the mail doesn't even say for what position it is running.
I believe, because reading the resume is a diploma in reason.
I believe, because among the acquired skills I find windows (office no?), internet (what does it mean, you know how to navigate?), fresa for manicure and pedicure, hot wax and laser epilation, holistic and draining massage, etc. etc.
I believe, because from the work experience I discover that he did the workmanship, the employee at a workshop, the help pastry from a baker, the bartender and.... the aesthetic help!

apart from the uncentered resume on the job for which you run (or at least, I think).... there are at least 15 write and beat errors. but will he have at least reread it? ?

Would you hire or do an interview with a candidate like this? Or would you just give it up?

therefore @marco9669 When you're leaning on some company, keep these things in mind.

 

[stevie]

often, not always.
And anyway, I was forced to trade for a while. I prefer to take 100€ less in pay envelope.

clearly they are personal choices. . .

 

[TETRASTORE]

Would you hire or do an interview with a candidate like this? Or would you just give it up?

In the past, among the various tasks I had also to look for various professional figures for the productive and technical sectors and given the work experience I would certainly give you the opportunity to interview. This is because it has proven to be done and not be with your hands in hand to wait for a job (or work) of your liking.
Then, it is obvious, it is necessary to evaluate the real capacities, but above all the unexpressed potential and this is the most difficult part.
Moreover, the fact that it has not expressed a preference on the job, is significant because it is typical of a candidate that you can easily manage by relying on different tasks according to need without hearing you say later: "I can't do this because it's not my job."
Among other things, in my opinion, when a candidate is proposing it is important to assess where his skills or knowledge or his unexpressed potential could be useful in the company.

 

[Tristus]

Would you hire or do an interview with a candidate like this? Or would you just give it up?

an interview certainly, if nothing else for curiosity.
then the fact that you do not know how to write a resume does not mean that in that person there can be no skills or in any case a personality similar to that of the girl who has worked with you for 10 years. an interview could serve to escape some doubts about it.
also because the attitude of that girl is the exact opposite of the one who opened this thread, which of doubt also poses too many.
doubt is always good, but I mean... exaggerating in doubt can give an impression of if wrong to others, who might think they have to deal with a person with little self-esteem. the school, we all know that it does not supply ready-to-use geometries or engineers. It's the experience that makes the difference. my father always found work as a geometra in the enterprises, and he had the third elementary, but the enterprises assumed it because he carried out works of geometra head yard, so listed plans, leveling, accounting works, management of the works in construction of roads and aqueducts etc. etc.
Anyway, I repeat, returning to the girl. An interview is just a question.

 

[Fulvio Romano]

Would you hire or do an interview with a candidate like this? Or would you just give it up?

In the past, it happened to me, and I decided to invite her to interview.
Maybe she doesn't speak Italian, but she's good.
Maybe it's just a cursed bitch (cit.) but at least I can explain where I think it's wrong and what are the areas where it could improve.

 

[Mario SJPD]

Would you hire or do an interview with a candidate like this? Or would you just give it up?

caesinera.

 

[DrBarde]

I'd do an interview. I find that the cv should serve just to make a person's skills understand great lines. also because, look at a technician, if he had to put every single competence only the part of software and ability would be 10 pages, useless, and surely incomplete.
I think you should never stop at a sheet of paper or a photo.

 

[ragnol]

I hope I didn't pass by. mine wouldn't be a "go beyond" stinking under the nose.

if you send an application
- tell me what you're running for (where there are technicians, employees, workers). given the previous experiences, maybe you love everything, and then you indicate it.
- if you send me the resume, it's good to see all the work you did (which as tetrastore says could prove that you haven't been with your hands, but it can also prove other), but where you indicate the skills all the part related to pastry and manicure/exterior the towel, otherwise I think you sent the same document to all the mails you managed to find (from the dentist to the souvenir shop). that can also go well, but to me not from the idea of a great professionalism.
- for the same reason, you take at least the briga to reread the resume and correct grammatical and typing errors (there are both). in pennies, if you don't take the resume as little as you'll be precise about the rest?

If I have 30 applications, for the reasons I would put on this pass over.

 

[cacciatorino]

I'd have sold out, too. time is always little and not to throw it away to me and the candidate there must be minimum prerequisites.

 

[Marco9669]

I had already responded long ago, but I canceled shortly after simply because I didn't want to create a lust... but I changed my mind. I changed my mind because it's just right that I express my idea, maybe now that I'm done with the job and that I'm free. I write it for the young boys, those who might one day read. . .

life as an engineer is hard. When I mean it's hard, I mean it's the hardest. you're a graduate, you've studied, you're happy to have finished, but then face reality: You are without a penny in your pocket, you know nothing more than what they had already taught you in high school (if you did a technician in mechanics like me), now you have a certain age and it is right that you start making a life. You're a graduate and you're a disadvantage. you are disadvantaged because you have no experience in anything, you are disadvantaged because you can't do anything special and you're disadvantaged because you don't have a penny in your pocket. the strange thing is that while being practically a failed everyone wants you, they all look for you and the job is found. the job is easily found simply because this is a job that no one wants to do it anymore; is difficult, stressful and paid little.. Only we fools get our heads off again.. and then hire us. in a normal world if a job is difficult and there are few people able to do it the salary increases, in Italy actually the salary is equal to any other job...instead probably a graduate in political science that makes selection of staff takes more than an engineer. In short, a difficult and paid job is not only the sexes and the sexes are us. not to mention the tricks... you graduates in engineering and surely you will meet a graduate who thinks that your problem is to write cv when I actually find the job tomorrow but I don't find that they pay me what I deserve.

life as an engineer is hard.. It's hard because when you pose a problem in this Italy someone will always come to give you a victim.. Do not do enough, do not do this, do not write the resume well, etc... .

the truth is that the Italian economy is in the blessed [Bleep]* public debt is at the stars and soon we end up as the Greek, the young run away and they complain about how at their time it was more difficult when in reality the old generation was an Italian completely different from what we find.

Are we all young victimists? I don't know, but many go abroad. perhaps even because if a country does not listen to your (our) problems perhaps the best choice is to change country.

But hey between globalization, useless training, hunger salaries, energy prices and raw materials... But it's all right, we don't write the cv properly.

said this I continue to be of my idea: boys take a technical diploma and go to work and don't envy people who brag because at work do things "that you can't do without the university base" because:

1) There are no bases

2) that job you can do it quietly as well if you want

but, above all,

3) that shit job you won't do it because you will be awake enough to choose an easy and paid job well compared to choosing a hard job paid badly.

because sooner or later the 2000 euros per month boys take them all if we want, even the secretary or the girl who does 730.

If ever the university system one day should change I will be the first to delete this message and thank the sky but before then I don't feel it. rather than giving vittimist and closing conversations would be better to start thinking about how to improve this system even because if we don't give an awakened to the Italian training system I don't know how we will compete with Asian young minds who increasingly marry the "savoir faire" laughing from our lack of practical technical preparation (I have known Chinese boys, between one thing and the other since they work us, who plan virtual aunners I dream less
and with a change of mindset I also intend to stop considering ourselves, we engineers, as beings of immense wisdom and being part of an aristocratic group to which non graduates are not part.
the world goes on and it is time that:
1) or university really teaches
2) or boys don't waste time pretending to learn
Because at university, you don't really learn.
above all because it is boring to see companies that cannot find designers, but only simple graduate snoops; I feel like I'm a bachelor in engineering. I don't feel like an engineer and a designer.
but all in all the problem is that you have to learn how to write cv better and update your linkedin.

 

[PIETRO2002]

I'm really sorry you didn't make the sense of what we responded to, far from me being a professor, but if you don't want to learn, life will teach you!