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[Aripug]

Hello everyone
I have the following pc:

q9450
8gb ram
♪
ati 5570 1gb

Let's also say that I use pc for work (cad3d and rendering) 70% multimedia 25% games 5% to detach sometimes but nothing too heavy. . .

I'm noticing that I'm survivor for renderings, I'm a little limited by my video card, and then I wanted to ask....if I get a 2000 picture, will I have significant improvements?

is superior as card to my ati generally speaking?

Thank you in advance

 

[arzigogolo]

Hello everyone
I have the following pc:

q9450
8gb ram
♪
ati 5570 1gb

Let's also say that I use pc for work (cad3d and rendering) 70% multimedia 25% games 5% to detach sometimes but nothing too heavy. . .

I'm noticing that I'm survivor for renderings, I'm a little limited by my video card, and then I wanted to ask....if I get a 2000 picture, will I have significant improvements?

is superior as card to my ati generally speaking?

Thank you in advance

mmmm... I see it a little hard. I had the 2000d picture and with inventor it was really worth turning averagely complex assemblies. I don't know how if the wire with the rendering, maybe there is faster, personally if I had the money I would take a painting 4000 and go more on the safe. I repeat, from personal experience, the 2000 picture has disappointed me a lot and also doing a quick search on google, I saw that it does not shine much in performance and all recommend a 4000 or 5000 picture if you need more computing power.
Of course the 4000 costs 700 euros instead of 400, but perhaps it is worth it if the employment is mainly the professional one.

I would advise you to ask your dealer to try the card before you buy it, given the not reasonable price or to make a google search on comparison tests with other cards similar to yours with rendering programs.
qui for example there is a test on the 2000 picture with rendering applications and if you read the conclusions at the bottom of the article, you realize that I am not very flattering.

 

[GiGa]

Hello everyone
I'm noticing that I'm survivor for renderings, I'm a little limited by my video card, and then I wanted to ask....if I get a 2000 picture, will I have significant improvements?

depends on the software... if used "normally" the video card is solely responsible for viewing, not rendering that instead is fully charged to the cpu.
different discourse if you use applications (or rendering engines) that use cuda (type 3ds max): In that case the rendering calculation is greatly accelerated by gpu, and the picture is a little more optimized than gamers.

In any case, if you are heading towards a picture, you should wait a few time, since the presentation of the new kepler-based painting should be imminent.
already the kepler framework solutions for laptops give "a track" to the previous generation: in practice performance is scaled by a class: the new k4000 goes like the "old" 5010, the k3000 as (if not more) the old 4000.. .

 

[Aripug]

I thank you for answering me
in addition to speed, comparing from my home computer (not equipped with picture) to what I use at work (dowed instead of picture) is also the visual quality of rendering.... .
I mean. .in the computer equipped with picture renderings have a much greater visual quality than my home pc...intendo rendering made with the same settings. (use solidworks with photoview)...is it possible?

 

[GiGa]

just to get better understood. . .
in words (very) poor: generally rendering is the computational operation that allows display on screen (2d or 3d). then, the video card actually renders the scene (in real time). In this case, the more the card is fast, the more the "real time" is... real.
In general, however, when it comes to rendering in discussions, we talk about the calculations that are carried out to obtain an image or animation with certain settings and/or effects. here comes into play the power of the processor (including the possibility of using more cores) and/or the graphics card that is used as a calculation processor only by the software prepared to exploit it (with cube for the shehe nvidia).

frameworks typically enable visual effects that typically gamer card drivers do not allow. from here the best view. everything however depends very much on the software used and how this exploits the video card.
es: 3ds max lets you see with the picture in viewport (so during modeling operations) certain effects (almost at real-time rendering level) that with gamers are disabled. to make a rendering of an image or animation, you can use the processor or video card via cuda.

Frankly I have no idea what solidwork can take.. .

 

[enri]

The frames are usually optimized for the viewport of the sw 3d, i.e. the display/management of the 3d models on screen, especially in cads, because the pro cards have drivers written appropriately for this purpose, and go to replace the default ones of windows, both opengl and direct3d. this is not true for all sw, but only for some, where the gamers are as fast as the picture, if not more, especially at equal price. as giga says the word rendering always refers to the calculation of a photorealistic image, both with the cpu and the gpu ( cube opencl), and not screen management. you have made a bit of confusion, in your case it is the cpu that renders, photoview is the embankment to make way, and the screen management of the 3d models instead is managed obviously from the gpu, that in your case for solidworks should be either a picture or a firepro (it seems the latter are more performing in this cad, and with a better price quality carry).
to have better performance in making you have to change cpu, so all the motherboard ram, etc. unless you want to change engine to render and switch to one that goes on gpu cuda, then put a high-end gtx i.e. 680 by 4 giga, you should have some improvements surely even if usually for having substantial ones with these engines to render, all unbiased, i.e. physically spaced (you translate the most calculations) cards

 

[Aripug]

thank you so much to both, to all, for the answers!

I found a painting 4000 at a pretty good price...I design very much with the cad and I make it equally. . .

at the moment the cpu can not change it (just because I have to change the whole block...) but I wanted to upgrade the video card to better view what design (both in the design phase, and in the rendering phase).

I think painting 4000 is definitely better than my ati, right?
then I am aware that I am also choked by the rest of the configuration of the pc....
But the prox year probably grab the rest of the hardware, keeping me the 4000 I would go to buy now..

 

[enri]

Look at you bench of solidworks for viewport, firepro v5900 apparently is faster and costs less. the new firepro w5000 that obviously should be faster than the previous ones, less than 500 euros.

 

[Aripug]

You know I didn't even consider them for the professional field?
You say it's as good as the painting?
I found myself in the home area with ati.... in the professional field I never felt anything

...because I'm looking and the prices actually, they're much better than the picture...

 

[enri]

ranging from cad to cad, for swx in fact go better, with anti alias high, the new ones are coming from very little, maybe you should wait a bit before the arrival in Italy.

 

[Aripug]

Okay, but if I take, I should take it short. .
now at the moment I would have an offer of a painting 4000 new to less than 600e

 

[Aripug]

Okay, but if I take, I should take it short. .
now at the moment I would have an offer of a painting 4000 new to less than 600e

I'm correct. ...

Okay, but if I take, I should take it short. .
Now at the moment I would have an offer of a painting 4000 new to 580e
and I would have a v5900 to 430e

 

[arzigogolo]

thank you so much to both, to all, for the answers!

I found a painting 4000 at a pretty good price...I design very much with the cad and I make it equally. . .

at the moment the cpu can not change it (just because I have to change the whole block...) but I wanted to upgrade the video card to better view what design (both in the design phase, and in the rendering phase).

I think painting 4000 is definitely better than my ati, right?
then I am aware that I am also choked by the rest of the configuration of the pc....
But the prox year probably grab the rest of the hardware, keeping me the 4000 I would go to buy now..

In my opinion, if you found it at good price (but at what price?) I would recommend the painting 4000 that is definitely better than your ati and is a great card, regarding the firepro ati, I do not know it very well, but if it costs less, I would tell you to take that one.
Be careful, however, to find the model corresponding to the picture 4000 or even higher limit, because if you take a model lower than 4000 as a calculation power, you risk taking a rip, because it will also be true that you pay less, but you also have less.

I would avoid models like firepro v3900 or v3800, I would start looking from 5800 up.

 

[Aripug]

for prices, I found, both new....the picture 4000 to 580e, the all v5900 to 430

 

[arzigogolo]

for prices, I found, both new....the picture 4000 to 580e, the all v5900 to 430

They are both excellent cards, I would go with the 4000 that has the core cuda that ati does not have, but if I did not have enough money, I would acquire the ati that should be quite aligned to the 4000 as performance.
In essence there should be no big differences.

 

[sampom]

Meanwhile, at zero cost, I would start overclosing the cpu; that processor allows decisive frequency increments on a good motherboard (which you did not specify). for swx in particular the speed of the processor is fundamental! true that in the management/moving of the model the skvideo makes the big one of the work, but much depends on the size and complexity of the model itself. on simple side files you wouldn't notice any difference, different the speech for the big assemblies and the table (dulky key) of these.. and even you have not specified what kind of models/axis "mains"; risk spending a package of money for a gpu (thinking/hiking to have the most) that you will not exploit and remain disappointed.
especially if you use swx with its pv the video card you don't need anything, the rendering is handled entirely by the processor.. and you notice if you go to see the performance card while rendering; you will have all four 100% cuff cores (and all the pc practically nailed).. and it will be the only time you see the exploitation of the multicore with solidworks (which then swx is no longer).
therefore also in this case it serves the maximum possible speed of the processor, and here also the nr. of core.

Again, go overclock and try.. before replacing to a "old" pc of the already old components I would wait, even considering that you want to change soon all the machine (ok that the card you would land, but will be overmodo old and will make from bottle neck).

 

[re_solidworks]

I think v5900 is not equal to a 4000, I would say rather that it is equal to a 2000 quandro.
I recently bought a workstation with an amd v7900 that on paper seemed to have performance higher than the picture of the same price range. in windows is detected as better and gets a higher score. in swx it seemed more performing nvidia and the test solidwork performance test fully confirms my suspicion. I stress that the performance on amd is lower despite the cpu of the workstaion amd is better than the cpu where I have nvidia.
I, in case, would acquire a painting, but, as they have already suggested, I would wait for the kepler series and at that point you should thicken until you change the whole pc.

 

[Aripug]

Thanks again for the various answers
Yes, it is true I forgot to say the motherboard model... is a p5ql/epu....
As for the pc I'm not sure to change it.. In the worst case the pc for a year or two will hold this (which, however, discreetly does its work even so, ) or if satisfied with the new video card, I will keep it for more time :d.
at work, that I have a picture...I have all another visual rendering with the picture... then I decided to make an investment/upgrade even for the home pc since 2.3 hours I work there every day at home.
on this pc I do a bit of everything...modelling, management of normally medium small assemblies (up to a max of 250 pieces...) and rarity of larger.
rendering with photoview but not only, I am trying other rendering engines and programs. . .
the price to which I found the painting 4000 (580€) seems good to me even if definitely not brown that money...
do new models know when they come out?
Guys, again, thank you for everything!

 

[sampom]

on this pc I do a bit of everything...modelling, management of normally medium small assemblies (up to a max of 250 pieces...) and rarer than larger.
rendering with photoview ma non solo, ...!

As I thought.
Forget about the new tab for now (you wouldn't notice the change, if not at least part and, perhaps, at the "ethical" level. go overclock (with that asus do whatever you want) and you will already notice sensitive differences.
keep aside 600 euros for the next purchase of a more performing machine in the complex.

greetings
Mar

 

[arzigogolo]

As I thought.
Forget about the new tab for now (you wouldn't notice the change, if not at least part and, perhaps, at the "ethical" level. go overclock (with that asus do whatever you want) and you will already notice sensitive differences.
keep aside 600 euros for the next purchase of a more performing machine in the complex.

greetings
Mar

for the record I also have an asus p5q and how overclock is fantastic! I have a core duo e8400 and I managed to bring it to 3.6 ghz quietly changing only timings for the ram. the performances in the games have increased on average of 25 fps! , while for inventor there was an increment, but not very eclatating with a set of about 6000 parts.

Since solidworks is suceptible more to the cpu, I'd like to see how he rides with a similar axieme, but unfortunately I don't have it.

I am very happy with my video card, the geforce 560 you oc, I must say that just the frequency of the cpu rises, its speed grows almost exponentially.

mah, at this point I would also expect the new kepler processor, or as I said, if I needed, I would go with the picture 4000 provided that its price fell, because 580 heuri are not bruscolini!:biggrin: