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v21

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Hello reborn,
I've had it since December but for the moment I've only done small tests I haven't used it yet to work, wait for the first update.
 
Hi, I was wondering why I noticed that late to get there the usual dvd. I couldn't go to the presentation and start worrying. told me they're finishing up implementing the first batch. It's not that he's in a hurry, but the lesser he's got better.
Greetings, reborn.
 
I have it since December and from what I could see there are still several things to put in place.
on the other hand the release is remarkable and will change a lot the way to work.
I've seen a lot of good things but others I don't really like.
have also made some "regale" to users including for all recognition feature and adaptive grinding for the 3 axes and autotilting for the 5 axes but attention because at the end of the year they will become paid......
have also changed the most reliable but also slower film simulator.
old projects will no longer be editable so if you have to change an operation you have to remake it new.
Now you can't even add it to the same project but they said that this is changing it.
new strategies of roughing and finishing much improved compared to previous and many other things yet.
I'm also waiting for the batch release to start using it and I can't wait to test it.
greetings
 
hi endrio1, I have from a few days the v21.1 and indeed have scattered bachi (as from tradition, but I suspect it is not the only software house to do it ) to put hand to many things in a short time. and saving many hours of prelaunch controls. . .
the fix for attributes, to me, it didn't work, and I was rebuilt by hand.. .
the fix for the visitool, according to me if they could save it at the source: I suppose we put both on a set of parameters that 99% of ut. if I'm the slow, patience.

the cam seems back from the carnival of rio! Is this the stroboscope?
inserting new functions is worthwhile, but all this graphic/organizational reorganization, for a program that should look after the firm (my work the architects landscaped biodynamics ), to me shake a little.
an example: the floppy icon for the default save function of the works was black with white detail and very reminiscent of a floppy. now is something orange and blue framed with white: He would like to remember a floppy, but it just seems like an icon from ipad, and here he realizes that certain choices only make them to follow the fashions...
and if I increase the resolution of the screen to see more fields in the parameters of one, p.e., contour, then I no longer see the cursor for the simulation speed of the p.ut., because they have miniaturized it regarding the v20...

Before working on it, they'll really spend weeks just to figure out where they put the basic functions.
patience, so much I have those of solidworks that submerge me of spam: so I realize how many problems I stand saving myself.
the difficult will not get used to the "smart" functions, for when they return to being only "pay for use".
Greetings, reborn.
 
Hello again
I do not use the cam, but as cad I have already sent 5/6 e-mails to the assistance for the mega c...te that they have done, but I say these here are waiting two years to distribute the new version and you find the same problems of years ago, then others are added.
Did you ever do a full job with these programs??
 
Hi, I haven't explored the cad side yet, if I don't scroll down the drop-down menus.
If you tell me where the nonsense is, I put a load of 10: it can be enough :36_1_15:
 
Hi.
I can tell you from me that to the graphic aspect after a while you get used and on some things have made remarkable improvements. on others are instead a bit skeptical because they seem made by those who did not but worked in the workshop and never fought with needs of reduction of the times.the cinematic simulator for example is so slow that in some case it takes less to work the piece than to simulate it.the 5 axes that was lean enough in the selection of the faces. they have abandoned the past menu, which I think was one of the best things they had done lately. All this because instead of proceeding on the line they were following lately, they wanted to take possession of worknc processes and adapted them to faces.
I don't know if you've noticed but to recognize the work of visi and worknc just see how they work, those of visi are 64 bit (x64) and those of worknc are 32 bit (x32).
For me it's a bit of a soup and I expect it won't be long before they add a little shot.
If I can give you advice start working in parallel to v20 so you can find out step by step what can go or not.
Good work for everyone.
ps. have you released the 21st tutorial?
 
hi endrio1, I don't know the five axes except by name, so I trust you.
the simulator I only opened it and it seemed desperate more than before. but I suppose it is necessary to exploit it with 5 axes to identify its true limits.
v21 I use it in parallel to the v20 (precautionary principle always applied, and recommended also by assistance), and I make small things.
more than anything else I find that I will have to change the monitor with a larger one. not that it was not the case, given the 8 years of service of the current crt samsung, but it bothers me to adapt to the high resolutions to see entire the various windows both cad and cam, redesigned with everything in the foreground, in place of the "unbearable".

I did not hear about tutorials: is it a dvd?

Greetings, reborn.
 
hello reborn, when I went to the presentation they also gave us the dvd that contains everything that they showed us that day.
there are explained many of the novelties of this release both cad and cam with the help of many videos.
to me it comes very useful to review the various procedures.
greetings

ps. I changed the monitor too.
 
now ho philips 28" full hd 1920x1080 model 284es
before I had a samsung 22"
I find myself discreetly though I would prefer a slightly larger monitor and with a greater resolution, but on this there was a good price and then..... .
I still use the samsung and I do the film simulations so I can give an eye while I keep working, you know, given the speed of the simulator.....
 
Hello, I also have a philips from today, but "only" from 27" ...
the "comic" is that it comes to 2560 x 1440, but I use it to 1920x1080.
missing the final part of the press menu (which I don't use so much), but at least the "masks" of the cam are all in the video.

Of course, someone has already left their fingers... :36_1_18
 
with the last update it seems they solved some problems including the simulator that was really indecent, returning to that of the v20.
 
Hello, as soon as I was warned that there was another pacth I installed it immediately on both machines.
Now I'm gonna have time to see if there's any improvement.

ot: Can I dive a little more? someone works with trackball, like logitech marble? I was looking for a bigger mouse, 'that I have 11 of glove..., and man proposed only 'sta marble. But it leaves me a little puzzled.
 
hello to all, without opening new threads placed here under the mail "cazziatone" that I took the trouble to send to the service.
Surely some note comes from my habits, maybe even wrong, but I would like to understand if someone else finds himself, with my problems.

" Hello.
Although I suppose I'm not the first to report the points below about v21, I want to expose them anyway.
on the front cad:

when both has the systematic need to export from visi to dxf/dwg etc., it is not acceptable that you should switch to an intermediate file that allows you to filter the entities actually visible/not visible. now to export I have to select the visible, save it with "save data", place the elements in a temporary file and from there export them to dxf/dwg. otherwise the "visible" command did not filter anything and I would still export the whole file. until the files turn into the company, if I mistake: amen, but to customers or suppliers I must be sure of what data I send.
now export to dwg seems to generate unsafe geometries to use. with the sw x wedm, of third parties, that we have, the dwg has always been usufructable, but with the v21 no more: p.e. there are elements, of perimentro, that do not touch anymore. I suppose, in the first analysis, it is a problem of significant figures after the comma.
in the "edit" menu you have reported the undo/redo commands beginning of the curtain. I hope it's the final position. or make this arrangement customizable.
" "wireframe" >"profiles" >"pf open or closed : I want to be able to remove/manage from system the default that pf automatically generates. 90% of the time it takes elements that I don't want, and I have to sel. the handle, go back on the elements, and take my hands. if I need the feature recognition I don't care.. .
in the "annotations" menu: the text box, which on crt 17"4:3 1280x720 I have always seen complete, now on 27" 16:9 1920x1080 always opens undersized both in height and in width and if I have to write more than a 10na of characters, I have to iron it.
in the "annotations" menu: after selecting the item or point, if I need to edit something of the text, the cursor no longer appears ready in the window, but now you have to take it. . .
in the "annotations" menu: put a flag to reverse the 45° from + to - and vice versa.. .
in the "mit", the "mit-general manager", icons 2, 3 and 4, are now too similar.
in the "system" menu "upon cfg": There are still too many details to finish by hand after using that command. not only copy certain ect symbol libraries, but also in the cam, that the risk of harming is much higher. and always ask for lumen.
to work with the 3d I see creating a sea of commas: a cube 30x30x30 you are listed, e.g., 29.9997x29.9997x29.9997. but if you filter here with the sects, its "face-sided curves" take you behind the same problem and build, e.g., parallel segments to these first, I carry on of the decimals that I do not want, and that before they have never been there. I have now banalized "to the cube", but I have already found the problem on a couple of files in which I modeled in 3d also on surfaces, but while waiting for the volumes to be defined, at some point I found inappropriate decimals. to which I have to clean the area and build by hand the 2d that I need. Besides, it is a problem that also reverberates in the eventual export to dwg-dxf, p.e..

and come to the cam:

can you move the string of the "real open tool" near those of the cam settings? where it is, when you are working seriously and maybe you also have a little hurry, you click on it in a flash, when instead you need the cam navigator. In the end it is a db more relative to the settings to be manipulated one tantum, than to actual processing.
"active open cam": but do we want to lose ourselves in small things? What harm did he have here the cam attribute for all the pfs? If you want to repeat it for the "closed" with the "add standard features" within the recognized autom, ok, but now, p.e. with the "geometric text", you have to use 2 different commands to give the material side, between open pfs and closed pfs, create 2 lav. and then join them, to write 1 tag! and "rompe" even when you are doing things well series.
the graphics of the white arrows of selection l.m., for the open pfs is horrendous, and not uniform with all the other video brakes of the cad. and put that possibility to use the space bar to select the dx/sx of the material side, that we are not all succubi of the mouse.
in the stategy "plant section" now lacks the possibility to set a reference roughness for processing. was comfortable and intuitive (on extrusion I see that there is still, so I don't think it became unmanageable).
in the generation of "features-foro" you can customize the presence or not of the field "spoglia" ? not the fruit, nor the occasional use, but I must always pass on it, while leaving to zero.
when I create a "pezzo" cam, it would be useful to be able, possibly, to appoint (point 1, ivory matrix, lower plate ), to recognize it first in a full list. idem for crude and obstacles.
you can no longer change the connection point to the profile in a contour or 2d emptiness. but if I have any obstacles or other impediment, I must be able to work by dismantling as little as possible. so I would always go through the 3d ( fortunately it did not yet happen, but it was a very useful option ). the cam can't know what I actually have in the car.
between the options of "muovi cam setup" is comfortable/useful also a "wheel".
in 3d the management of pieces and auxiliary crudes is, in my opinion, improveable. if I add a piece, in the current project, as an auxiliary, clearly detached from the previous piece, the auxiliary will not have as "great" the previous one, but at least I should ask myself immediately to select another as an ausliary etc. instead there are several steps to do by hand, both in calculation and in simula.
in different 3d stategies has become macchinosa the management of geometric limits, especially with the "offest limits" flag that I do not understand where and how it intervenes. and also the other fields seem to me unevenly organized between one strat. and the other, and therefore also little ordered inside a single lav.
I was not disappointed at all that the management of the tools has been rewritten, with regard to s, f, "sic document" and "axial/radial depth". not because, perhaps, it wasn't useful or necessary, but because I don't have time to stay there to perfect the parameters that don't grace him yet after the use of that utility for the import of the library. to every project warns me that there are still ut. to perfect in the carousel ect. already you have to build by hand your own bookcase ut., now it touches to lose time to repass it all alone because there is no flag to accept to have empty fields in the parameters of that such mill, on that particular material ect. not all have a u.t. of 3÷120 people, of which half "to dedicate". .

I am sure that other customers may have found benefit from the various rewritings, but one thing is the use "academic", another is the use "in the trench".
certain that you will take note, cordial greetings and good holidays.
Reborn,
I have not seen any confirmation of reading, nor any "deprived".
What do you say I exaggerated?
Greetings, reborn.
 
"when I create a "pezzo" cam, it would be useful to be able, possibly, to appoint (point 1, ivory matrix, lower plate ), to recognize it first in a full list. idem for crude and obstacles. "
hi rinato I don't understand what you mean with this statement because to how far it turns out it is possible to rename raw pieces and obstacles from the "push editor" icon, something different for the face lists or groups of faces, for these elements, but also for others you can change the name with the "right mouse button".
for the real tools you are perfectly right...... it's a monstrous ball, besides I always argued that the real thing about tool management is still prehistory. While many cams already give the possibility to directly import the models provided by the manufacturers, we are still playing with the wood bricks.
For the rest, we just hope they want to fix what doesn't work.
I believe that there should be another update soon; Let's hope they fix some things.
Hi.
 
hello to all, without opening new threads placed here under the mail "cazziatone" that I took the trouble to send to the service.
Surely some note comes from my habits, maybe even wrong, but I would like to understand if someone else finds himself, with my problems.

" Hello.
Although I suppose I'm not the first to report the points below about v21, I want to expose them anyway.
on the front cad:

when both has the systematic need to export from visi to dxf/dwg etc., it is not acceptable that you should switch to an intermediate file that allows you to filter the entities actually visible/not visible. now to export I have to select the visible, save it with "save data", place the elements in a temporary file and from there export them to dxf/dwg. otherwise the "visible" command did not filter anything and I would still export the whole file. until the files turn into the company, if I mistake: amen, but to customers or suppliers I must be sure of what data I send.
now export to dwg seems to generate unsafe geometries to use. with the sw x wedm, of third parties, that we have, the dwg has always been usufructable, but with the v21 no more: p.e. there are elements, of perimentro, that do not touch anymore. I suppose, in the first analysis, it is a problem of significant figures after the comma.
in the "edit" menu you have reported the undo/redo commands beginning of the curtain. I hope it's the final position. or make this arrangement customizable.
" "wireframe" >"profiles" >"pf open or closed : I want to be able to remove/manage from system the default that pf automatically generates. 90% of the time it takes elements that I don't want, and I have to sel. the handle, go back on the elements, and take my hands. if I need the feature recognition I don't care.. .
in the "annotations" menu: the text box, which on crt 17"4:3 1280x720 I have always seen complete, now on 27" 16:9 1920x1080 always opens undersized both in height and in width and if I have to write more than a 10na of characters, I have to iron it.
in the "annotations" menu: after selecting the item or point, if I need to edit something of the text, the cursor no longer appears ready in the window, but now you have to take it. . .
in the "annotations" menu: put a flag to reverse the 45° from + to - and vice versa.. .
in the "mit", the "mit-general manager", icons 2, 3 and 4, are now too similar.
in the "system" menu "upon cfg": There are still too many details to finish by hand after using that command. not only copy certain ect symbol libraries, but also in the cam, that the risk of harming is much higher. and always ask for lumen.
to work with the 3d I see creating a sea of commas: a cube 30x30x30 you are listed, e.g., 29.9997x29.9997x29.9997. but if you filter here with the sects, its "face-sided curves" take you behind the same problem and build, e.g., parallel segments to these first, I carry on of the decimals that I do not want, and that before they have never been there. I have now banalized "to the cube", but I have already found the problem on a couple of files in which I modeled in 3d also on surfaces, but while waiting for the volumes to be defined, at some point I found inappropriate decimals. to which I have to clean the area and build by hand the 2d that I need. Besides, it is a problem that also reverberates in the eventual export to dwg-dxf, p.e..

and come to the cam:

can you move the string of the "real open tool" near those of the cam settings? where it is, when you are working seriously and maybe you also have a little hurry, you click on it in a flash, when instead you need the cam navigator. In the end it is a db more relative to the settings to be manipulated one tantum, than to actual processing.
"active open cam": but do we want to lose ourselves in small things? What harm did he have here the cam attribute for all the pfs? If you want to repeat it for the "closed" with the "add standard features" within the recognized autom, ok, but now, p.e. with the "geometric text", you have to use 2 different commands to give the material side, between open pfs and closed pfs, create 2 lav. and then join them, to write 1 tag! and "rompe" even when you are doing things well series.
the graphics of the white arrows of selection l.m., for the open pfs is horrendous, and not uniform with all the other video brakes of the cad. and put that possibility to use the space bar to select the dx/sx of the material side, that we are not all succubi of the mouse.
in the stategy "plant section" now lacks the possibility to set a reference roughness for processing. was comfortable and intuitive (on extrusion I see that there is still, so I don't think it became unmanageable).
in the generation of "features-foro" you can customize the presence or not of the field "spoglia" ? not the fruit, nor the occasional use, but I must always pass on it, while leaving to zero.
when I create a "pezzo" cam, it would be useful to be able, possibly, to appoint (point 1, ivory matrix, lower plate ), to recognize it first in a full list. idem for crude and obstacles.
you can no longer change the connection point to the profile in a contour or 2d emptiness. but if I have any obstacles or other impediment, I must be able to work by dismantling as little as possible. so I would always go through the 3d ( fortunately it did not yet happen, but it was a very useful option ). the cam can't know what I actually have in the car.
between the options of "muovi cam setup" is comfortable/useful also a "wheel".
in 3d the management of pieces and auxiliary crudes is, in my opinion, improveable. if I add a piece, in the current project, as an auxiliary, clearly detached from the previous piece, the auxiliary will not have as "great" the previous one, but at least I should ask myself immediately to select another as an ausliary etc. instead there are several steps to do by hand, both in calculation and in simula.
in different 3d stategies has become macchinosa the management of geometric limits, especially with the "offest limits" flag that I do not understand where and how it intervenes. and also the other fields seem to me unevenly organized between one strat. and the other, and therefore also little ordered inside a single lav.
I was not disappointed at all that the management of the tools has been rewritten, with regard to s, f, "sic document" and "axial/radial depth". not because, perhaps, it wasn't useful or necessary, but because I don't have time to stay there to perfect the parameters that don't grace him yet after the use of that utility for the import of the library. to every project warns me that there are still ut. to perfect in the carousel ect. already you have to build by hand your own bookcase ut., now it touches to lose time to repass it all alone because there is no flag to accept to have empty fields in the parameters of that such mill, on that particular material ect. not all have a u.t. of 3÷120 people, of which half "to dedicate". .

I am sure that other customers may have found benefit from the various rewritings, but one thing is the use "academic", another is the use "in the trench".
certain that you will take note, cordial greetings and good holidays.
Reborn,
I have not seen any confirmation of reading, nor any "deprived".
What do you say I exaggerated?
Greetings, reborn.
Did they answer you?
 

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