cacciatorino
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Deelip also talks about it:
http://www.deelip.com/?p=4878He also says that the ds were surprised because the daimler didn't even consider catia v6 for an evaluation.
http://www.deelip.com/?p=4878He also says that the ds were surprised because the daimler didn't even consider catia v6 for an evaluation.
stef_design
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excuse the question but daimler = mercedes-benz or as a magna is a supplier?
So from now on all mercedes-benz (car&truck) and smart models will be made in nx?
So from now on all mercedes-benz (car&truck) and smart models will be made in nx?
stef_design
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strana la frase in grassetto...
dassault systèmes, a world leader in 3d and product lifecycle management (plm) solutions, was informed today by daimler a.g of its decision to select cad from siemens.
this decision came as a surprise to dassault systèmes as no catia v6 evaluation has been performed by daimler a.g. we were informed by daimler a.g. that, as cad application portfolio was not its priority, its decision was based upon cad integration in its home grown pdm system “smaragd”. v6 openness to other pdm systems is part of plm v6r2011x, which was announced yesterday.
on september 20, 2010, daimler a. g. renewed its catia contract with dassault systèmes for five years. in addition to catia, daimler a.g. uses the company’s delmia, enovia, simulia, and 3dvia brands. at this stage, we have no information as to which catia specialized applications would be replaced and which ones will have to remain in use.I have never heard of this "smaragd"
dassault systèmes, a world leader in 3d and product lifecycle management (plm) solutions, was informed today by daimler a.g of its decision to select cad from siemens.
this decision came as a surprise to dassault systèmes as no catia v6 evaluation has been performed by daimler a.g. we were informed by daimler a.g. that, as cad application portfolio was not its priority, its decision was based upon cad integration in its home grown pdm system “smaragd”. v6 openness to other pdm systems is part of plm v6r2011x, which was announced yesterday.
on september 20, 2010, daimler a. g. renewed its catia contract with dassault systèmes for five years. in addition to catia, daimler a.g. uses the company’s delmia, enovia, simulia, and 3dvia brands. at this stage, we have no information as to which catia specialized applications would be replaced and which ones will have to remain in use.I have never heard of this "smaragd"
The_Matrix
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I answer a bit to everyone, now that the news is official. . .@ all: This is news and p o c a l e...
The waste will be tremendous... and maybe not the only one.
if you think that 10 years ago catia was practically the de facto standard in the automotive world, after 10 years:
... fiat took nx+tc
... nissan took nx+tc
... ford took tc
... daimler took nx+tc
... gm, after long benchmark against v6 remained on nx+tc
... mazda took nx+tc
... aml took nx+tc
... vw took tc
@ rs4: I am always + convinced that v6, with its "close" (obligating catia customers to take on with pdm enovia), was a clamorous mistake... a microsoft style attempt to impose a technology by levering on another.
Of course changing cad costs, but also putting on 2 pdm if you don't need any ribs, you know?
smarogd: it is the current "custom" pdm of daimler. is based on enterprise tc. will be gradually replaced by teamcenter
Home: it's mercedes... stop. (by little will also start analysis plm in mercedes truck... :biggrin
la "sorpresa" ds: the "full v6" solution has been evaluated. It was one of two on the table... discarded in the first round.
fantastic reading that ds does not yet know what will remain in use of applications in daimler... Nothing!
Italian contributions: my team has contributed to this incredible success... both directly on the "die" and indirectly, supporting fiat during the various reference visits made around the world by daimler.
... and now I enjoy success.. .
The waste will be tremendous... and maybe not the only one.
if you think that 10 years ago catia was practically the de facto standard in the automotive world, after 10 years:
... fiat took nx+tc
... nissan took nx+tc
... ford took tc
... daimler took nx+tc
... gm, after long benchmark against v6 remained on nx+tc
... mazda took nx+tc
... aml took nx+tc
... vw took tc
@ rs4: I am always + convinced that v6, with its "close" (obligating catia customers to take on with pdm enovia), was a clamorous mistake... a microsoft style attempt to impose a technology by levering on another.
Of course changing cad costs, but also putting on 2 pdm if you don't need any ribs, you know?
smarogd: it is the current "custom" pdm of daimler. is based on enterprise tc. will be gradually replaced by teamcenter
Home: it's mercedes... stop. (by little will also start analysis plm in mercedes truck... :biggrin
la "sorpresa" ds: the "full v6" solution has been evaluated. It was one of two on the table... discarded in the first round.
fantastic reading that ds does not yet know what will remain in use of applications in daimler... Nothing!
Italian contributions: my team has contributed to this incredible success... both directly on the "die" and indirectly, supporting fiat during the various reference visits made around the world by daimler.
... and now I enjoy success.. .
cacciatorino
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Congrats very vivid!
flaviobrio88
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congratulations ... I fully share the choice of daimler .. how do you depend totaled from a softwarehouse?I answer a bit to everyone, now that the news is official. . .@ all: This is news and p o c a l e...
The waste will be tremendous... and maybe not the only one.
if you think that 10 years ago catia was practically the de facto standard in the automotive world, after 10 years:
... fiat took nx+tc
... nissan took nx+tc
... ford took tc
... daimler took nx+tc
... gm, after long benchmark against v6 remained on nx+tc
... mazda took nx+tc
... aml took nx+tc
... vw took tc
@ rs4: I am always + convinced that v6, with its "close" (obligating catia customers to take on with pdm enovia), was a clamorous mistake... a microsoft style attempt to impose a technology by levering on another.
Of course changing cad costs, but also putting on 2 pdm if you don't need any ribs, you know?
smarogd: it is the current "custom" pdm of daimler. is based on enterprise tc. will be gradually replaced by teamcenter
Home: it's mercedes... stop. (by little will also start analysis plm in mercedes truck... :biggrin
la "sorpresa" ds: the "full v6" solution has been evaluated. It was one of two on the table... discarded in the first round.
fantastic reading that ds does not yet know what will remain in use of applications in daimler... Nothing!
Italian contributions: my team has contributed to this incredible success... both directly on the "die" and indirectly, supporting fiat during the various reference visits made around the world by daimler.
... and now I enjoy success.. .
The_Matrix
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Thank you! ... waiting to do more damage, of course. ..:finger:
cacciatorino
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Actually, they say that comparison lasted 18 months.
http://www.catiacommunity.com/print_article.php?cpfeatureid=55238(from the comment of a reader on deelip.com).
I'm getting more and more puzzled about how the ds didn't jump deadly when they saw things get hurt.
http://www.catiacommunity.com/print_article.php?cpfeatureid=55238(from the comment of a reader on deelip.com).
I'm getting more and more puzzled about how the ds didn't jump deadly when they saw things get hurt.
The_Matrix
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You know...
they chose a "partner" (siemens).
our systems are very integrated, but not "exclusively" integrated.
... if you want nx and as pdm you want sap or windchill you can do it
... if you want tc and how cad you want another (v5, creo :wink:, swx, if, inventor etc) you can do it
... with v6 is all very + difficult. . .
flaviobrio88
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in fact I believe in my small winning card was precisely to provide a software that did not close up like catia v6
Zimmemme
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someone says it is because siemens is "tesca di cermania" and the nationalism of the crucchi is not discussed.
:biggrin:
The_Matrix
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Why?
... the nationalism of the French?
the real turning point was the fact that ibm "molated" ds...
stef_design
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Sorry, but that means:on september 20, 2010, daimler a. g. renewed its catia contract with dassault systèmes for five years.
The_Matrix
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means that mercedes will change cad gradously.
mercedes will continue to use on existing projects v5 and then they are cautioned with maintenance.
Obviously they will pay less and less as they release v5.
the new cars will be designed with nx, while the range maintenance will be done in v5.
nx is very strong in reuse in its data structure of "carry over" through jt.
stef_design
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these were possible alternatives:teamcenter + catia v6: the first choice was to stay with their existing, heavily customized teamcenter installation and make catia v6 work with it. this would be possible but expensive, with the extra baggage of constant vendor culture clash under their roof.
ptc windchill: the second choice was to switch to ptc windchill for data management. it is a fine system with many happy customers. this would have been an expensive, drastic move, taking them out of the mainstream in automotive it. and again the vendor culture clash would be an issue.
massacre v6: the third choice would be to throw out their existing heavily customized version of teamcenter and standardize on the dassault v6 platform with catia and enovia. this would give them cutting edge technology, but they would pay a high price in both primary and secondary costs. the primary costs would be the software purchases; the secondary costs would be in installation, translation, maintenance, and training. the costs would be unreasonably expensive no matter how much pro-catia sentiment daimler’s engineers might have.
teamcenter + nx: the fourth choice would be to stay with the existing teamcenter installation and switch cad tools from catia to nx. this is the easiest and least expensive transition of the four possibilities.
ptc windchill: the second choice was to switch to ptc windchill for data management. it is a fine system with many happy customers. this would have been an expensive, drastic move, taking them out of the mainstream in automotive it. and again the vendor culture clash would be an issue.
massacre v6: the third choice would be to throw out their existing heavily customized version of teamcenter and standardize on the dassault v6 platform with catia and enovia. this would give them cutting edge technology, but they would pay a high price in both primary and secondary costs. the primary costs would be the software purchases; the secondary costs would be in installation, translation, maintenance, and training. the costs would be unreasonably expensive no matter how much pro-catia sentiment daimler’s engineers might have.
teamcenter + nx: the fourth choice would be to stay with the existing teamcenter installation and switch cad tools from catia to nx. this is the easiest and least expensive transition of the four possibilities.
The_Matrix
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Watch something...
when you talk about teamcenter you have to make a distinction between what teamcenter currently installed ( enterprise, heavily customised, called "smaragt") and what will be (teamcenter 8, the so-called unified architecture. . what is currently in use in fiat, vw, alenia, gm, nissan, etc.
... to the face of the statement ds that "daimler hasn't rated v6"... instead the "full v6" solution was the first to be rejected.
Where did you get this information? :wink:
stef_design
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matrix excuse, I forgot to put the link:finger:http://gfxspeak.com/2010/11/24/daimler-choice-of-nx-is-less-than-meets-the-eye/
The_Matrix
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http://www.3ds.com/fr/company/news-.../3206/?chash=be1dd3336f645f8b45091e0bb4928c41
This decision is a surprise for the downfall systems, since no evaluation of catia v6 n has been carried out by daimler a.g.:biggrin:
Zimmemme
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in practice daimler will pass to nx in 2012 while for suppliers the detachment is previewed from 2013 to 2015.
At least this is the communication that came to me.
At least this is the communication that came to me.