what is the future of the cad??

[Lettore espatriato]

true but apart from the time lost unnecessarily to make useless beautiful tables in 2d, today a 2d design of a modern bumper of a car is impossible to realize (useful for construction I mean).

One thing is the passage from the 2d "constructive" to the 2d "documental".
And here the time saving, from the designer's point of view can be huge. but it is not said to be the same as you come to whom then the piece produces it at a certain price or in a certain way.

But you were talking about the 3rd note. From the technical department's point of view, time is identical to the 2d document because the information is the same. It is true that from the 3rd note the 2d boards can be obtained (it reminds me cadds5 /4x for those who had the pleasure) . can change something from the productive point of view and quality control, but if there are all the downstream equipment that "mangiano" the 3d noted. Otherwise someone, "at the door", will have to put the tolerances on critical quotas.
and if a company has 100-200-500 suppliers, it is sure that there will be someone who not only does not have the "reader" for the noted 3D, but does not even have the nx/v5/creo that all suppliers should use.
but he's gonna have to fall a pole or a tecnigraph, depending on what he agreed with the shopping office.

 

[stefanobruno]

Hi hunting..........
does not apply as an example
:36_6_6:
if in that milling you have mechanical holes or triggers
you need the table
with tolerances and regulations in use
a hug
Thank you very much

In fact, I work with 3d headlights and models to chew at the 5 axes, but there is always the table with the tolerances on the points where they need.
the assembly, instead, is done also only with model 3d, saving the masses in the table of the complexes, this if you do not have to document to the final customer the product built and if there is no means a yard.
the plants to be mounted in the yard, they always need to put on the table and it will take 120 years before it can be done without, 150 if we continue to go more and more down in the slam to take the manovalence.

 

[cacciatorino]

Yeah!

I'm in charge of automatic machines, so it's the realm of lathe and milled, but more and more often it happens to make tools or cradles. in which in the 2d quoti only the fixing part to the frame of the machine, and for the rest write:
fresare a mathematics - request file step to the shopping office

Hi hunting..........
does not apply as an example
:36_6_6:
if in that milling you have mechanical holes or triggers
you need the table
with tolerances and regulations in use
a hug
Thank you very much

As you can see, I've already written how much you carry under yourself.

we should not make the mistake of thinking that our professional experience must be valid for all design sectors. There are certainly production processes in which 2d drawings serve, as well as the hand-made stamp used in which manufacturing is authorized. However, there are also areas where the 2d file is simply anachronism or complication, because all the info is inserted in the 3d file or because simply represent in a sufficiently exact way on a thick paper a complex geometric double curvature is practically impossible.

2d is a way that we invented in the past to represent three-dimensional objects, when the techniques available did not allow us to do otherwise. in 2016 but imagine a 3d object, representing it in 2d to get that the 2d document reader reconstructs it in an exact way in 3d is a slightly bizarre workflow, don't you think?

 

[320i S]

all information that with notes on the 3d can be put on the math to export.
the only current limit of some viewers and cams is that not everyone can see the annotations.

 

[Focus]

2d is a way that we invented in the past to represent three-dimensional objects, when the techniques available did not allow us to do otherwise. in 2016 but imagine a 3d object, representing it in 2d to get that the 2d document reader reconstructs it in an exact way in 3d is a slightly bizarre workflow, don't you think?

I agree to 100%

 

[gil]

Today there is a strong human limit and investment, so many entrepreneurs continue to prefer the old way to the new.
but I believe that in the future 2d representation will no longer exist, the advantages of 3d design are unduplicated. having to do all over again to represent it in 2d is a waste of time and source of errors. I don't know when it comes the day when you can use a model and use that to build it instead of paper, but we're going that way, even 3d printers from four money do basically this, translating the code model.

the doubt is when it will happen (certainly not immediately), not if it will happen.

 

[320i S]

Today there is a strong human limit and investment, so many entrepreneurs continue to prefer the old way to the new.
but I believe that in the future 2d representation will no longer exist, the advantages of 3d design are unduplicated. having to do all over again to represent it in 2d is a waste of time and source of errors. I don't know when it comes the day when you can use a model and use that to build it instead of paper, but we're going that way, even 3d printers from four money do basically this, translating the code model.

the doubt is when it will happen (certainly not immediately), not if it will happen.

However, it will be a gradual thing, not many years that (for example) the suppliers of details make available the 3d models for customers, not much lacks that a manufacturer who mainly assembles components made by others, will need a cad only to assemble or little more.

 

[steo_m695]

I don't know what the future of the cad may be, but I certainly know what the future of designers will be.. Today's junior designers don't even know what a tecnigraph is, they don't know how to fold a table, they don't know how to quote (rabbrividisco at the automatic quotation options :frown the 3d saves them a little at least in the table setting that affect the views it is impossible but I have seen however boiled by tears in the eyes like wreaths inside herds without chance to be screwed or touched: In summary I think the 3d is a good thing but that killed a little the generation of the tecnigraph and cad 2d.. then to date in the workshop always goes the two-dimensional table for which the 3d on so many applications is even wasted and anyway when I have to start from zero I still always start with pencil and paper then a quick draft to the 2d and then 3d very rarely I used directly the 3d, more than anything on changes and creation of something very similar to a project already made. .

 

[SHIREN]

Hello everyone
I could respond individually to each v/s post
because luggage or zavorre or better direct and indirect experiences
of the world of production
It would be long
then
I can read all posts
and I tried to fill the profiles of users who contributed to the discussion
90% are
(1) engineers
2)architects
3)projector
4)technical
large technical staff

we want to ask some "trucholator" if you prefer to work on a drawing on paper
or on a "ipad ipod ifon etc"
we are confusing the productive reality with science fiction
hypothesize in the near future the elimination of paper cards and similar things
means having a distorted vision of the productive reality not only of the made in italy

eliminate 2d is utopia
Unfortunately I must repeat
we have been talking about it for 15 years in the forum when the r13 version existed and then r14 autocad2000
we are at the 2017 version of autocad:36_1_3:

in the possible
you can launch a survey and we ask a little around
Thank you very much

 

[Er Presidente]

They're gonna explain it to the Chinese shortly. They're not gonna take 15 years to figure out what's obvious. If the "old" Europe is dying is because it can't reinvent itself and run beyond innovation... I personally didn't even use the 2d with autocad 2.11 even if the 3d didn't exist yet... but it's true that I'm strange.... alcohol:

 

[SHIREN]

However, it will be a gradual thing, not many years that (for example) the suppliers of details make available the 3d models for customers, not much lacks that a manufacturer who mainly assembles components made by others, will need a cad only to assemble or little more.

[MENTION=69538]320i s[/MENTION]Hi.
as reference does not apply
suppliers that make 3d models available for commercial and advertising reasons
in fact in 99.9% to download files you need to clear your personal data
and settle for neutral files of product versions definitely exceeded
to access executive files it takes more


I'm sorry to call you
but your thought for the next future goes far beyond reality
Maybe we'll go first on Tuesdays
Thank you very much

 

[SHIREN]

They're gonna explain it to the Chinese shortly. They're not gonna take 15 years to figure out what's obvious. If the "old" Europe is dying is because it can't reinvent itself and run beyond innovation... I personally didn't even use the 2d with autocad 2.11 even if the 3d didn't exist yet... but it's true that I'm strange.... alcohol:

President
knows how well the stigma
and he also knows about my intercourse in the extreme east
the Chinese know that only in Italy
(with all distractions incomprehensions rudeness and other 100k thousand defects that have Italians)can find professionalism and intelligence
you are buying 50% of the entire production system made in italy
Can you explain why?? ? ? ? ?
because it does not happen in other countries
the others ( ue) commercially and productively I do not know better than we
Thank you very much

 

[marcof]

I have seen, however, boiled by tears in the eyes like wreaths born inside spindles without possibility to be screwed/savowed or otherwise touched

What does that have to do with 3d? It's just a designer beast.
with 2d would have made even worse cases since the 2d is an artificial and unnatural representation that requires a useless waste of time and energy to imagine what you see in 2d as it would be in reality and then be forced to the reverse process imagining a 3d object to translate into three 2d views and tot sections. a delusion that fortunately is endangered.

In summary I think the 3d is a good thing but that killed a little the generation of the tecnigraph and cad 2d

And fortunately! the massacre had to begin before.
I really move when I read in 2016 these nostalgies for a tool as such (the mechanical or electronic tecnigraph). minchia but the essence of design is not the tool, it is the idea and the product you design. Is it so bad to do it better before and without being able to burn neurons uselessly?
If we want to make poetry then go, all draw with the silver tip on handmade paper.

 

[marcof]

the Chinese know that only in Italy
(with all distractions incomprehensions rudeness and other 100k thousand defects that have Italians)can find professionalism and intelligence
you are buying 50% of the entire production system made in italy
Can you explain why?? ? ? ? ?

Why? because the maded in italy in certain sectors is a guarantee of quality. I'm sure not because you use the 2d of this stanne certain. 2d is a ball to the foot. point.
sandwiches had invented the "fififimatic" and its empire of figurines at the time of 2d because that was the means with which it was planned. rest assured that his ideas that created the Panini empire are completely disconnected from the means he used to design or invent the future.
defending the 2d today, intended as a system and mental form of design would be like to argue that written communications via e-mail should be replaced by those on typified letter with minuta and copy to be stored in archive because it is nice to hear the tik-tik-tik-rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr-ding! of the typewriter!

echecaxxo, mò enough with 'sto 2d at all costs. You broke!

 

[cacciatorino]

a question I hope not too dumb: is the computer screen 2d or 3d?

 

[mariuss.r]

And fortunately! the massacre had to begin before.
I really move when I read in 2016 these nostalgies for a tool as such (the mechanical or electronic tecnigraph). minchia but the essence of design is not the tool, it is the idea and the product you design. Is it so bad to do it better before and without being able to burn neurons uselessly?
If we want to make poetry then go, all draw with the silver tip on handmade paper.

I totally agree with marcof.
In my opinion... old age begins when you find yourself thinking with nostalgia for the good times gone...

 

[320i S]

[MENTION=69538]320i s[/MENTION]Hi.
as reference does not apply
suppliers that make 3d models available for commercial and advertising reasons
in fact in 99.9% to download files you need to clear your personal data
and settle for neutral files of product versions definitely exceeded
to access executive files it takes more


I'm sorry to call you
but your thought for the next future goes far beyond reality
Maybe we'll go first on Tuesdays
Thank you very much

I do not understand why the speech should not be worth, I have designed plants, industrial and agricultural machinery, now in automotive, in each field I have benefited from having at disposal the mathematicians of the suppliers, instead of having to redesign them from head, indeed with certain suppliers we have expressly asked the mathematicians to pass to another supplier (because the time necessary to model everything would have made us lean towards the other supplier) and we were not satisfied.

 

[stefanobruno]

I totally agree with marcof.
In my opinion... old age begins when you find yourself thinking with nostalgia for the good times gone...

then I'm so sorry, of the " dear tecnigraph " I kept only the stool, and of autocad badly I can even bear the icon on the desktop.

 

[steo_m695]

What does that have to do with 3d? It's just a designer beast.
with 2d would have made even worse cases since the 2d is an artificial and unnatural representation that requires a useless waste of time and energy to imagine what you see in 2d as it would be in reality and then be forced to the reverse process imagining a 3d object to translate into three 2d views and tot sections. a delusion that fortunately is endangered.

true! but the 3d for many is nothing but a lego per pc, you do not clearly have the concept of tolerance and criticism, and especially many draw pieces without having any idea how they are actually produced! Most of the family-run workshops can't afford advanced computerized work centers and I repeat that the 3d definitely helps you to make the right table but if you don't know how to quote you don't do anything!


And fortunately! the massacre had to begin before.
I really move when I read in 2016 these nostalgies for a tool as such (the mechanical or electronic tecnigraph). minchia but the essence of design is not the tool, it is the idea and the product you design. Is it so bad to do it better before and without being able to burn neurons uselessly?
If we want to make poetry then go, all draw with the silver tip on handmade paper.

This is exactly the problem all you want to design at cost (mental) zero! If you don't want to make some neurons you need to use it! Señor' we will come to claim that word writes from if literary works!
I don't think I'm old, I'm 30, but more than new design tools I'm getting allergic to new designers who call themselves because they can extrude a cube in 3d!

 

[320i S]

This is exactly the problem all you want to design at cost (mental) zero! If you don't want to make some neurons you need to use it! Señor' we will come to claim that word writes from if literary works!
I don't think I'm old, I'm 30, but more than new design tools I'm getting allergic to new designers who call themselves because they can extrude a cube in 3d!

like those who called themselves designers because they knew how to draw 2 lines with the tecnigraph, same speech.