why do users know how to use little ug?? ? ?

[The_Matrix]

Why do you think users can use little and bad system, especially coupled with tc?
I mean... for so much "ignorance" on topics like:
large assembly management
Season
part family
top/down parametric structures
creation and management 2d very heavy
management 2d

thanks to your thought

 

[Tequila]

premise: I do not use nx and I never used it even if I would like to learn how to use it.
I add that even if I don't write almost never on the forum nx I would be curious to know how many they use it have also made a course as you should.

 

[SER.CAD]

Why do you think users can use little and bad system, especially coupled with tc?
I mean... for so much "ignorance" on topics like:
large assembly management
Season
part family
top/down parametric structures
creation and management 2d very heavy
management 2d

thanks to your thought

I also observe a great lack of "method" as well as commands around... or not?!? !

 

[SER.CAD]

I know everything!!!! except for advanced surfaces...so everything!! ! ! !
also work on tc!!!!

ug is the best program ever!
his conception is divine!
should be taught in schools starting from middle school! ! !

and matrix did not pay me to say this:biggrin:
:finger:

 

[IPdesign]

premise: I do not use nx and I never used it even if I would like to learn how to use it.
I add that even if I don't write almost never on the forum nx I would be curious to know how many they use it have also made a course as you should.

Well we open a survey among users of nx :biggrin:

 

[ceschi1959]

I also observe a great lack of "method" as well as commands around... or not?!? !

Hi.
the_matrix question has various answers. I throw it there repeating myself on concepts that I have already expressed in another place and making an example of lived life.
I used the first calculator in the far... after I had learned to do hand accounts, not those of spending but those a little more complex than construction science. I realized if the calculator gave me 'foreign' results and that meant that either I had set the problem wrong or I had typed some wrong data. successive generations have used the calculator immediately and have become accustomed to considering the results without any critical sense.
In doing so the proportions are also due to the use of advanced systems such as cad or, in general, cae. It's a problem that doesn't only affect nx users but in general all cad users. It is not only a matter of knowing the commands, the problem is upstream.
a 'strategy' in the design: setting of the problem, tools (in this case commands) available and via below.
it is not a wonder from all to create top\down structures.
having to realize a certain type of product, for example, I have spent a week setting everything up. the result was a file with a fifteen datum that regulated the whole project, never time was spent better!!! (see pictures)

 

[beppino]

Why do you think users can use little and bad system, especially coupled with tc?
I mean... for so much "ignorance" on topics like:
large assembly management
Season
part family
top/down parametric structures
creation and management 2d very heavy
management 2d

thanks to your thought

perhaps because (wrong) it gives little importance to the instrument.
you use the "4" commands necessary for your job and just.

Perhaps because today there is a generalized way of working "retracing time", and there is no excessive concern of the method.

Maybe because you do (when you do) basic courses once in the beginning, and then never again.

... is a difficult world...

 

[cacciatorino]

Why do you think users can use little and bad system, especially coupled with tc?
I mean... for so much "ignorance" on topics like:
large assembly management
Season
part family
top/down parametric structures
creation and management 2d very heavy
management 2d

thanks to your thought

I don't even know ug, but I remember reading somewhere the following consideration: the world of work evolves towards a high "rotation" of the workers, and that is, especially in the us but also from us, a same designer frequently changes place and work tool. Let's take the interns for example, three months here and three months there.

At this point it becomes difficult to intimately learn a complex tool, so perhaps complexity and extension of functions become an evil and not a good. In fact the market goes towards the mid-range seems to me, and I don't think it's just for cost issues, but also because being more recent tools have been designed with ease of use as the first goal, while instead maybe fall as a ug or catia resent architectural choices made 30 years ago when cad were esoteric tools for nerd eyesaluti and easy integral....

 

[IPdesign]

we also add that when they give you a new release are really few ones that you study whats new?
that practically no one has ever opened the online guide?
that very little use the cast online?
and finally we add the inexistence of nx manuals (except those used for courses? )

 

[IPdesign]

x hunting...
the interinal speech should not be considered
anyone who knows nx knows very well that in 3 months you can't think you can say you can use nx

 

[ziotoy]

having to realize a certain type of product, for example, I have spent a week setting everything up. the result was a file with a fifteen datum that regulated the whole project, never time was spent better!!! (see pictures)[/QUOTE]I also do not use nx, but I forgive myself to spend=losing a week seems excessive.I do not want to judge the software but I believe that the duty of a cad is to help,facilitate the task and above all let you engage all the time you have to the real "progettation" and not to the instrument to reach it.(corsi apart of course).
personal opinion.
Say hi.

 

[cacciatorino]

x hunting...
the interinal speech should not be considered
anyone who knows nx knows very well that in 3 months you can't think you can say you can use nx

Why do you say you don't do the interns? ug seems to me the typical product from large companies, which are the ones that most often resort to temporary work, them directly or the chain of suppliers.

 

[ceschi1959]

I also do not use nx, but I forgive myself to spend=losing a week seems excessive.I do not want to judge the software but I believe that the duty of a cad is to help,facilitate the task and above all let you engage all the time you have to the real "progettation" and not to the instrument to reach it.(corsi apart of course).
personal opinion.
Say hi.

I'm sorry but I didn't explain or you misunderstood: the setting of parameters is independent from the cad, it is a preliminary analysis that you would do even if you used paper and pencil. designing is just this, drawing is another thing.
I'll give you another example: fea analysis. Do you know how much time you spend to set the problem? You think it's time?

 

[IPdesign]

Why do you say you don't do the interns? ug seems to me the typical product from large companies, which are the ones that most often resort to temporary work, them directly or the chain of suppliers.

due to the time of use, when I happen to do training at companies, usually the average user manages to acquire a good mastery of the medium on average 1.5 months after intense use .
the 3 months you indicate to my modest opinion are the least to know how to use it decently.
goes from if once you learn the tool.... change work.....
personally I had to hire someone in my office would certainly not be for 3 months:biggrin:
I had 2 experiences about it, work 8h/gg side by side, so training in continuous :smile:, had none reached enough before the time I said .

learning a vast software like nx is a thing that in my opinion makes curriculum, from an added value, but it takes time and dedication.
I carried the manuals at home in the evening when as an employee I was in training phase and currently I never finished studying and looking for new solutions, a person who stands 3/6 months on a software and 3/6 months on another will have a great confusion in the head.

in my opinion

 

[cacciatorino]

due to the time of use, when I happen to do training at companies, usually the average user manages to acquire a good mastery of the medium on average 1.5 months after intense use .
the 3 months you indicate to my modest opinion are the least to know how to use it decently.
goes from if once you learn the tool.... change work.....
personally I had to hire someone in my office would certainly not be for 3 months:biggrin:
I had 2 experiences about it, work 8h/gg side by side, so training in continuous :smile:, had none reached enough before the time I said .

learning a vast software like nx is a thing that in my opinion makes curriculum, from an added value, but it takes time and dedication.
I carried the manuals at home in the evening when as an employee I was in training phase and currently I never finished studying and looking for new solutions, a person who stands 3/6 months on a software and 3/6 months on another will have a great confusion in the head.

in my opinion

That's what I said. for a cad to be very complex and to have n-mila nested functions maybe it is counterproductive for the majority of designers and companies, and instead makes it suitable maybe only to circumscribed reality, as aerospace or similar.

better a simple product that does well those 4 things that serve to 99% of the designers (here is the speech of the mid-range), otherwise a product like ug costs 10,000 euros he more ' 20,000 training for each operator, a product like solid edge or solidworks costs 6000+2000.

For this reason I referred to the current labour market, it must be the cad that adapts to the world and not vice versa.

the initial question was, why don't the operators know the advanced functions? my answer: because it takes too much time to be learned and the current world (4 months between signing the contract of supply and delivery of the plant when ten years ago it was 8-10 months) you don't.

 

[IPdesign]

I'm sorry but I didn't explain or you misunderstood: the setting of parameters is independent from the cad, it is a preliminary analysis that you would do even if you used paper and pencil. designing is just this, drawing is another thing.
I'll give you another example: fea analysis. Do you know how much time you spend to set the problem? You think it's time?

I confirm, from mold designer is the same thing.
you lose a lot of time in setting up the work, which is not actually time lost, but only study of the best solution to the realization of the equipment to produce the piece (this is the mold )
the more you can anticipate the problems you might encounter then in the "modelling" of the idea and the more times of that phase are reduced, but I will say more. the more well-structured the work and the better you succeed following make changes sometimes full.

Basically it is a way of working thinking about the then and not the immediate.

If you have to walk in the mountains, the backpack prepares it first with meticulousness by putting on objects that might serve you for unexpected eventualities, don't you? type a raincoat if it rains or an energy bar in case of decrease of sugars.

Here, the cad design is very similar... but in the same way many go to the mountain with moccasins and the only canopy :biggrin:

 

[Utente NX]

Why do you think users can use little and bad system, especially coupled with tc?
I mean... for so much "ignorance" on topics like:
large assembly management
Season
part family
top/down parametric structures
creation and management 2d very heavy
management 2d

thanks to your thought

demand : large assembly management
: long and articulated speech, related to the type of license you have, to what version of nx and what type of projects you do.
There is not only fiat or similar.

Question : arrangement
answer : just spend some time and the least you learn.

Question : part family
answer : just devote a little time and the least one learns and then depends on what you have to create, vice?

question : top/down parametric structures
answer : tied to the designer's head and what you have to do, you can investigate with a new topic on this forum.
demand : creation and management 2d very heavy
answer : options are 3 (extrated edges, delay update view and lightweigt)

demand : management 2d
What do you mean?

However, we accept your opinions/suggestions on your every point, given your deep knowledge of the product and various business situations.

 

[Utente NX]

Hi.
the_matrix question has various answers. I throw it there repeating myself on concepts that I have already expressed in another place and making an example of lived life.
I used the first calculator in the far... after I had learned to do hand accounts, not those of spending but those a little more complex than construction science. I realized if the calculator gave me 'foreign' results and that meant that either I had set the problem wrong or I had typed some wrong data. successive generations have used the calculator immediately and have become accustomed to considering the results without any critical sense.
In doing so the proportions are also due to the use of advanced systems such as cad or, in general, cae. It's a problem that doesn't only affect nx users but in general all cad users. It is not only a matter of knowing the commands, the problem is upstream.
a 'strategy' in the design: setting of the problem, tools (in this case commands) available and via below.
it is not a wonder from all to create top\down structures.
having to realize a certain type of product, for example, I have spent a week setting everything up. the result was a file with a fifteen datum that regulated the whole project, never time was spent better!!! (see pictures)

without removing anything from your project, it doesn't look like a large assembly.
missing the inner part to understand what you really put on us.
lacks the structure (assembly navigator) to understand the complexity.
the screws, bolts and rivets are missing.
Many parts seem imported.
How do you fit them?
How do you simplify them?
use imported?
missing data to see if you really use interesting criteria.

 

[Utente NX]

Why do you think users can use little and bad system, especially coupled with tc?
I mean... for so much "ignorance" on topics like:
large assembly management
Season
part family
top/down parametric structures
creation and management 2d very heavy
management 2d

thanks to your thought

a very interesting question would be this?
How to work in a multi-user environment on the same project?
For example, working 5 people on the engine axieme?
the first charging the engine axieme becomes owner and others cannot change a comma.
Is there a mode where the axieme is loaded in read-only, as well as its components and only if it is published something become a owner?
Is it possible to make a request to a colleague to release him, like a message that shows you on the screen?

 

[IPdesign]

a very interesting question would be this?
How to work in a multi-user environment on the same project?
For example, working 5 people on the engine axieme?
the first charging the engine axieme becomes owner and others cannot change a comma.
Is there a mode where the axieme is loaded in read-only, as well as its components and only if it is published something become a owner?
Is it possible to make a request to a colleague to release him, like a message that shows you on the screen?

work in multi-user environment is usually handled with tc.
he handles writing permits.

However even in the nx environment it is possible to do so.
years ago I had done such an experiment with 3 people, the first and the second opened sub-axioms of their competence and when the 3rd opened the axieme appeared the message that such files rano in read only ( already used )
for the release message the thing was at the cutting edge...
he worked in the same office and was called the file under voice:biggrin:, who had freed him by saving and closing from the aid ...

but we talk about ug v18 and 10 years ago:biggrin:
the pigeons we had already made them with polenta:biggrin: