wi-fi touch screen in workshop instead of printed sheets: can it be a hypothesis? does sw plan aid in this sense?

[reggio]

hi to all, especially in these periods of absence forced by the work of colleagues, and telework, I was wondering if a wi-fi touch screen in the workshop instead of classic printed sheets could be a valid alternative and that allows the editor to consult the assieme or subassieme directly, without the intermediation of the designer who, in some cases, could also refrain from creating some views or classical sections replacing them with explosives "

I thought you could use a 15" portable touch monitor (€2/300) or a fixed monitor (and uncomfortable) 21" (€4/500) connected via wifi to the folder, so you can consult remotely/workshop, if the thing worked, the expense would not be excessive and passable at least to test the practicality and duration of monitor/tablet in the workshop..

after the monitor connected via wifi (which does not break to the 3rd manata ..) would be to test the ease of searching and opening files and the practicality in zoom, rotate, explode, compact, select ... in this, that you know, Solidworks have swiluppato in the latest versions, some app, plugin or other help What do you see in this sense? (I searched but I find little or nothing interesting) or behind the monitor/tablet must always be behind a dedicated pc/workstation?

any of you have already traveled similar roads and would like to share the experience gained?

 

[MassiVonWeizen]

Solidworks have swiluppato in the latest versions, some app, plugin or other help What do you see in this sense?

non ti vene eggs?

 

[reggio]

non ti vene eggs?

... maybe, if he could work and open an axiemino on tablet...
Do you know that the app is paid?!?!? (2$ ... at the point that they change the logo by putting a beggar at ))
but apart from that, as reviews it reaches 2.5 stars only because a guy slipped over by mistake ..

https://play.google.com/store/apps/...awingsandroid&hl=it&gl=us&showallreviews=true

Have you ever tried it on a tablet? How did you find yourself?
Is there anything else?

 

[stevie]

hi to all, especially in these periods of absence forced by the work of colleagues, and telework, I was wondering if a wi-fi touch screen in the workshop instead of classic printed sheets could be a valid alternative and that allows the editor to consult the assieme or subassieme directly, without the intermediation of the designer who, in some cases, could also refrain from creating some views or classical sections replacing them with explosives "

I thought you could use a 15" portable touch monitor (€2/300) or a fixed monitor (and uncomfortable) 21" (€4/500) connected via wifi to the folder, so you can consult remotely/workshop, if the thing worked, the expense would not be excessive and passable at least to test the practicality and duration of monitor/tablet in the workshop..

after the monitor connected via wifi (which does not break to the 3rd manata ..) would be to test the ease of searching and opening files and the practicality in zoom, rotate, explode, compact, select ... in this, that you know, Solidworks have swiluppato in the latest versions, some app, plugin or other help What do you see in this sense? (I searched but I find little or nothing interesting) or behind the monitor/tablet must always be behind a dedicated pc/workstation?

any of you have already traveled similar roads and would like to share the experience gained?

When you talk about "monitor touch portable" do you mean a tablet/notebook/notepad etc?

then with that figure I don't know what you can buy, considering then that tablets are practically all with android and visualization software turn practically all on windows I don't think it is feasible, unless you resort to custom solutions that abundantly exceed 300 euros

then I remain doubtful about using a touch screen in a dirty environment or where maybe the operator has constantly dirty hands of oil, fat, etc.

 

[SimoneCRV]

you can put a pc station each tot, in production with edrawings free and/or pdm viewer.
the operator goes to the station, turns and turns the piece and prints what he wants.
At least so I saw somewhere.

 

[Atreiou]

from years to our offcine in aoutsourcing I provide a 3d in dwfx format that they consult through free program (design review of autodesk) do nothing else as documentation, and the plants we manage are quite complex (piping)
dwfx as format is much lighter than the edrawings equivalent of dassault,
Sure needs an inventor to export. . .
at first to read the files used a tablet with a360, then everyone preferred a pc with mouse, because they need to measure and with the touch and too little precise.

 

[Stan9411]

after a work shift the screens must be cleaned with aquaragia ..

apart from this there are only positive aspects. clearly you have to find a compromise with the operator. .

then everyone preferred a pc with mouse, because they need to measure and with the touch and too little precise.

I'm not in favor of sending the 3D and the measures if he has to take them. the table should however be made, whether paper or digital, then maybe even a 3d can be rotated with a touch of the finger, to have the shot of the finished piece.
also because, beyond the number, through the provision of quotas (in series, in parallel ...) and with various annotations, transmit the functionality of the piece.

 

[Vittorio]

There is microsoft surface looks like a tablet but is a touch computer with operating system win10/11
so you can install all applications cad.
if you add peripheral pen type, mouse and keyboard is very practical.
the cost is not quite affordable, a refurbishment costs 500€ while new can exceed 1000€
time ago I thought to delete the paper in the workshop, the idea is fantastic because they would eliminate all the steps of updating drawings and everything is immediate.
interested parties can take all the measures they want and see the object in 3d is definitely better.
But... It is utopia because such a toy in the workshop lasts little, especially when there are characters that bury digital calibers with chips.
We still print the paper.

 

[Atreiou]

after a work shift the screens must be cleaned with aquaragia ..

apart from this there are only positive aspects. clearly you have to find a compromise with the operator. .



I'm not in favor of sending the 3D and the measures if he has to take them. the table should however be made, whether paper or digital, then maybe even a 3d can be rotated with a touch of the finger, to have the shot of the finished piece.
also because, beyond the number, through the provision of quotas (in series, in parallel ...) and with various annotations, transmit the functionality of the piece.

viewpoints, we make 40 implants a year, and if in the workshop I sent the boards they would throw them behind me.. not to remove the fact that I should have another designer only to make the boards of each line, after all every plant should be designed, they are all custom

 

[gil]

in my opinion the problems are the following
1) if you provide a 3d file, type dwf etc. it takes a technician to read it. otherwise it is useless. for my experience use is far beyond the possibilities of a blacksmith.

2) if you provide a pdf (file 2d) could be able to consult it, but it takes very large monitors. other than 15" inches, trying with less than a 32" inches is time lost.

3) in any case, I am doubtful about the duration of a monitor used with dirty gloves, in the midst of welding flexibles with iron powder that flies everywhere.

despite my perplexity, at the end the cost is not excessive is you could try to set up a post with less than 400-500 euros. smarttv (which reads pdf) + wifi modem.

https://www.amazon.it/pollici-infra...af3ba&pd_rd_wg=fwaan&pd_rd_i=b07d1zs95r&psc=1

 

[reggio]

eliminate the paper in the workshop, the idea is fantastic because they would eliminate all the steps of updating drawings and everything is immediate.
interested parties can take all the measures they want and see the object in 3d is definitely better.

In fact I would point to the assembly department, the cleanest, not to the production, also we do machines or lines always different, long and narrow with many details inside and out hidden ... the putting on the table is always long and painful therefore expensive, the printed explosive turns out unclear, serve numerous tables and splits .. never doing 2 times the same thing is necessary to optimize the times so most of the times we rely on the memory and intuition of the
News I also saw the frame, but I fear that it is the cost of the only "frame" (I don't know what might serve as a spare) I don't think it is complete and working :

I thank all for the excellent ideas, I continue my research, let us know if other ideas like projector or cad-telepatic or viewer at the minority report;-p

 

[re_solidworks]

I'm late, but I'm coming. solidworks mbd serves precisely to insert annotations in 3d. this would help to understand with quotas and tolerances desired by the designer and not taken randomly. annotations can be exported to various formats including edrawing. I wouldn't use a tablet, but a pc, poor as long as you want, but still a pc, maybe put in a cabinet like those to diagnose cars, just to give a minimum of protection.

 

[marcok625]

ciao @reggio , from us to the assembly the operators are equipped with laptop with which they can consult the 3d of the assemblies, take the measures and pdf constructive of the details (researching them independently in the plm), there is also a large screen mounted to the wall that can be connected to the pc so that you can mount the machine without every time moving to the laptop to look at the various pieces. we have been using this method for a few years and it is working. using creo direct modeling, the 3d format that we give available is the .pvz, that is a format only display, you can take odds and put mark up in case. As the first step to go in this direction, from my point of view there is the data management part cad (so that operators always work on the updated file) , find an easy to use viewer and create courses to train operators to use. As a tool there are many possibilities, it depends on many factors, for example in another company I saw an independent cart with mounted a large screen, a pc, keyboard and mouse completely independent from the current that the operator moves to suit you in the bay where it has to mount the machine. (if I do not err, I think I have seen companies that produce such trolleys, already with batteries and inverters to manage everything. )

 

[reggio]

to the assembly the operators are equipped with laptop with which they can consult the 3d of the assemblies, take the measures and pdf constructive of the details (researching them independently in the plm), there is also a large screen mounted to the wall that can be connected to the pc so that you can mount the machine without every time moving to the laptop to look at the various pieces.

we have been using this method for a few years and it is working. using creo direct modeling, the 3d format that we give available is the .pvz, that is a format only visualization, ... the operators always work on the updated file ..

Wow science fiction
I would like to see it, it would be beautiful if I could show us a videoI guess .pvz is native to creo, I was trying to understand precisely if for sw there is something similar and reliable to start testing, after, if the system works and repays as I think, I will be able to invest on stations with pc or maxi screens.
in post, to consult .pvz and .pdf yours, have .pvz viewer and not a creo hope post, and work on grandmother's pc or do you need workstation?

 

[re_solidworks]

Wow science fiction
I would like to see it, it would be beautiful if I could show us a videoI guess .pvz is native to creo, I was trying to understand precisely if for sw there is something similar and reliable to start testing, after, if the system works and repays as I think, I will be able to invest on stations with pc or maxi screens.
in post, to consult .pvz and .pdf yours, have .pvz viewer and not a creo hope post, and work on grandmother's pc or do you need workstation?

...andrawing, which on the pc is free. I think it's just mini pcs.

 

[marcok625]

I guess .pvz is native to creo, I was trying to understand precisely if for sw there is something similar and reliable to start testing, after, if the system works and repays as I think, I will be able to invest on stations with pc or maxi screens.
in post, to consult .pvz and .pdf yours, have .pvz viewer and not a creo hope post, and work on grandmother's pc or do you need workstation?

.pvz format is native to creo direct and is the most convenient in our case, but I was also trying with pdf 3d, even there, you can take the measurements. for sw I can't tell you, I imagine there are some logics dedicated to these things, it's a very evolved and valid software.
colleagues at the assembly use the free view view view lite view view view view view view view view view view view view view (it is free because these users already have a plm license), external vendors who support us with the assembly and realization of the pieces have at their disposal the free view view view view express view view view view view that basically is very similar to the other only that has some less function, for example does not open the step format, but the necessary functions has all.
for PCs we use portable rentals, mid-range, still have a separate graphics card (not the graphics card on the motherboard to tell us), however it is not a performance card for use cad. the assemblies of the whole machine sometimes go to snaps in the rotation, but opening the subgroups, where you concentrate for most time in mounting the components there are no particular problems to date.