would you give me advice for my future?

[luigi.paiano]

Good evening to all,
I obtained, about two months ago, the master's degree in mechanical ing after a beautiful experience abroad in Australia. Unfortunately I did not have the opportunity to continue there and, at least for a while, I am forced to continue in Italy. at this moment I have two possibilities:
1) PhD in computational mechanics with reference to nano composites. for this project, I should carry out a few months to have and others in California. I am afraid of the doctorate but I could greatly deepen my greatest passion, namely the fem and have already declared their interest in this theme skf and enginsoft. Moreover the tutor would be a very important and serious person, with contacts in the middle of the world;
2) probable internship more future intake in marelli magnets. 6 metalmechanical level at about 25000 gross per year, bologna powertrain section.

I add that my true passion is 1), that I live in the south (1000 euros doctorate here are not few) and that I would like to do the free professional in the future.
I would like to make a reasoned choice, I would need your opinions.
Thank you very much

 

[Counterblow Hammer]

If enginesoft and skf have come forward try to hear them that they propose to you... :finger:

 

[PierArg]

Hello luigi and welcome back!

a few years ago, in 2008, I also found myself in a situation similar to yours (although in my avatar there is written Emilia romagna I remind you that I am of the south too:finger.
I preferred an internship (remunerated with only meal vouchers) at 1200 km from home instead of the doctorate in the university "back home".
That's because I knew for sure that after three years there wouldn't be "cat trip."
Soon after he began the serious economic crisis and began, day after day, to leave people home.
I went to the right office to warm up the chair and I can assure you that it was an incredible psychological madness.
every day I wondered who had made me leave at 1200 km from home to warm a chair in exchange for the only meal vouchers when on the other side I had the safe "work" for at least 3 years.
I wrapped my sleeves and I "approved" the situation to take advantage of it: being already in the north, I took advantage of it to shoot cv a raffica.
until I had a big ass bang (let me pass the term :wink to find me in the right place at the right time.
Since then it has been 5 years, during which I have also changed for professional reasons, and if I had to make a consuntivo I can say I am definitely satisfied with the choice that, for the first 6 months, I regret.
My friends who did the doctorate, three years old, found themselves inexorably at home.
Unfortunately the university system in Italy is a real Masonry.
And on the other hand, companies don't give a crap that you have a doctorate with the nose... unless we talk about state companies, competitions, etc.

I found myself with the "house" and "placed"....:tongue:

 

[Er Presidente]

Good evening to all,
I obtained, about two months ago, the master's degree in mechanical ing after a beautiful experience abroad in Australia. Unfortunately I did not have the opportunity to continue there and, at least for a while, I am forced to continue in Italy. at this moment I have two possibilities:
1) PhD in computational mechanics with reference to nano composites. for this project, I should carry out a few months to have and others in California. I am afraid of the doctorate but I could greatly deepen my greatest passion, namely the fem and have already declared their interest in this theme skf and enginsoft. Moreover the tutor would be a very important and serious person, with contacts in the middle of the world;
2) probable internship more future intake in marelli magnets. 6 metalmechanical level at about 25000 gross per year, bologna powertrain section.

I add that my true passion is 1), that I live in the south (1000 euros doctorate here are not few) and that I would like to do the free professional in the future.
I would like to make a reasoned choice, I would need your opinions.
Thank you very much

It's hard to get into someone else's "calzoons" and it's always easy to predict with the cube of others:wink:

However, if I understood correctly, the alternative would be between a kind of "safe place" against a "spatial" experience.
My mom would definitely opt for the first, I, like "dad," would kick you in the back and send you on the moon.

stop this point then depends on what you want and what you can do. Are you forced to take "the egg today" for contingent (economic) problems?
you have the need to "displenish" someone else (you know that when you practice at the "tiro" there is who always wins :smile: )?

If you have a crossroads in front of an asphalted road and a lazy road, if you are under 30 years old, choose the first one, without thinking about it, if you are less than 40, think about it, if you have more than 50, make the ticket to the toll booth.

p.s.: now in addition to reporting the Australian experience you will have to tell us the American experience. :wink:

 

[Tequila]

I think of it as the president... If you have no imminent economic problems and have no emotional ties to force you to stop in Italian soil, I would propend for the first choice.
This is because I have 2 points of view, the first is given by the fact that the crisis will not last forever, according to that here in Italy if within short (1 or 2 years max) does not change the situation, you will also see the peasants emigrate abroad to breed cattle of others.

 

[PierArg]

tequila and president,
I have to "take back" because perhaps you have not understood the "priorities" of luigi.:tongue:

he would like to stay down south and open a free professional studio in the future. Is that right?
the doctorate would be very spendable abroad, even in private companies, but not in Italy.
that is why for me, the doctorate made in Italy with the aim of staying in Italy, does not serve much.

 

[luigi.paiano]

tequila and president,
I have to "take back" because perhaps you have not understood the "priorities" of luigi.:tongue:

he would like to stay down south and open a free professional studio in the future. Is that right?
the doctorate would be very spendable abroad, even in private companies, but not in Italy.
that is why for me, the doctorate made in Italy with the aim of staying in Italy, does not serve much.

First of all, hello to all. we say that I have no spatial aspirations, I would like to find a job that I like and have a family (I know that it is little fashionable at 26 years, but it is so). I know of all the colors but I wondered if it was different in this case. getting out of the doctorate with an advanced knowledge of the fem, would you really not allow me to find a good job?
said this, I am also oriented in the company but, let's say the truth, 1200 euros in bologna are few. Is there an opportunity to grow quickly in magnets?
I conclude by saying that, just as pier pointed out, I would like to keep abroad as an opportunity and no need.

 

[Tequila]

to: from what he writes to the first message he wants a council and on my behalf if I had the opportunity I would evaluate abroad, even without going overseas, would be enough oltralpe.
If, however, as he already writes, he evaluates abroad as a second alternative, well then at the end of the day he has to roll up his sleeves and start moving in the Italian soil to conquer his dreams.
luigi: If the speech is this, then everything changes. If you want to find work in the vicinity of your house and put on family (metter on family is never unfair, indeed it is a noble thing from my point of view, at least for those who have the fortune to do it) propendi for this, the only thing to which I am touched is:
what opportunity are there here in Italy 100% safe work indefinitely well paid on September 2013?
to the south I do not know today's reality, if not through tg or confirmation of people who really live there, but also to the north it is not that it fades in gold lately.
then as you say with 1200 euros (not only bologna but also many other Italian cities) you do not live there, but you go to camp, if you are alone, if you also have to maintain someone who has no chance to bring other economic revenue I see it hard.

Moreover everything depends also on the spirit of sacrifice that one is willing to do.

 

[PierArg]

I know of all the colours but I wondered if it was different in this case. getting out of the doctorate with an advanced knowledge of the fem, would you really not allow me to find a good job?
said this, I am also oriented in the company but, let's say the truth, 1200 euros in bologna are few. Is there an opportunity to grow quickly in magnets?
I conclude by saying that, just as pier pointed out, I would like to keep abroad as an opportunity and no need.

Hello, luigi,
Suppose you specialize in the fem with the countercosis. Can you list how many companies in Italy would be able to be up to your skills?
where I work we have the fem but we never use it because it is considered "a colored figure with numbers that do not serve a c...o".
Unfortunately in Italy the industrial fabric is made by the pmes where inside you will always find your ignorant superior with barely 50-year-old diploma that believes that engineers do phenomena and with their calculations do only blah blah.
in marelli magnets there is certainly more possibility to emerge because you are already in a structured and not mistress company.
in private I can give you the name of my friend who has worked on us and now he is responsible r&d of the lamborghini...:mixed:
If you want, I can contact you so you can ask him all the questions you want.
p.s: my friend is 28 years old!!!

to: from what he writes to the first message he wants a council and on my behalf if I had the opportunity I would evaluate abroad, even without going overseas, would be enough oltralpe.
If, however, as he already writes, he evaluates abroad as a second alternative, well then at the end of the day he has to roll up his sleeves and start moving in the Italian soil to conquer his dreams.
luigi: If the speech is this, then everything changes. If you want to find work in the vicinity of your house and put on family (metter on family is never unfair, indeed it is a noble thing from my point of view, at least for those who have the fortune to do it) propendi for this, the only thing to which I am touched is:
what opportunity are there here in Italy 100% safe work indefinitely well paid on September 2013?
to the south I do not know today's reality, if not through tg or confirmation of people who really live there, but also to the north it is not that it fades in gold lately.
then as you say with 1200 euros (not only bologna but also many other Italian cities) you do not live there, but you go to camp, if you are alone, if you also have to maintain someone who has no chance to bring other economic revenue I see it hard.

Moreover everything depends also on the spirit of sacrifice that one is willing to do.

quoto tequila but with reservations:
- 1200 € are still a good start;
- if you're a good man, trust me they won't let you go.
- if I send you home, you still have a working experience in a company that enjoys excellent consideration
If you have any friends working in the field of human resources, try asking what a doctorate is worth. ..mostly nothing.
You know why? Because you're 30 years old looking for work and you're not even a graduate. ..alias companies cannot even enjoy incentives.

I am sorry to do the "guastafeste" but unfortunately it is the Italian reality

 

[Tequila]

I agree that the Italian reality is this. In fact, it seems to me that those who did doctorate abroad then eventually took root.

 

[MarcoBi]

What do you mean? I know people (my niece) who with a bachelor's degree in aerospace and the prize for the best thesis of the year has turned different places (with high-sounding names) and it just seemed that after the internships there would be the intake offers (conveniences for both) and all.
now works for an international company that "presta" highly specialized personnel.

 

[luigi.paiano]

when I come in here you always put me in a good mood.

 

[PierArg]

I agree that the Italian reality is this. In fact, it seems to me that those who did doctorate abroad then eventually took root.

This is tequila. You just anticipated me.
One thing is to do a doctorate abroad for a foreign university. another speech is to do the doctorate in Italy with an Italian university that sends you abroad with the excuse of "super spatial" projects when instead it does so to take the funds from the European Union.

when I come in here you always put me in a good mood.

while I was at lunch I came up with the "c" option:
- to make a master of the serious ones. I mean those who are accessed only by interviews and selection tests and who, in case of potential pupils, offer scholarships.

 

[luigi.paiano]

This is tequila. You just anticipated me.
One thing is to do a doctorate abroad for a foreign university. another speech is to do the doctorate in Italy with an Italian university that sends you abroad with the excuse of "super spatial" projects when instead it does so to take the funds from the European Union.




while I was at lunch I came up with the "c" option:
- to make a master of the serious ones. I mean those who are accessed only by interviews and selection tests and who, in case of potential pupils, offer scholarships.

There is something like that for the state railways

 

[PierArg]

I also have the option "d".
write a nice cv by pressing on the following points:
- You graduated. in time (at 26 years there are people who still have to take three years)
- You did it with very high grades (I imagine it but you'll see I'm not wrong):wink:
- advanced knowledge of English language- study experience atabroad, specificing bene australia because people know well that in Australia there are no dogs and pigs. :finger:

You'll see that within 1 month you're working.
If I lose the bet, I'll buy you a beer when I get down.
If I win, you give it to me.

 

[luigi.paiano]

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I also have the option "d".
write a nice cv by pressing on the following points:
- You graduated. in time (at 26 years there are people who still have to take three years)
- You did it with very high grades (I imagine it but you'll see I'm not wrong):wink:
- advanced knowledge of English language- study experience atabroad, specificing bene australia because people know well that in Australia there are no dogs and pigs. :finger:

You'll see that within 1 month you're working.
If I lose the bet, I'll buy you a beer when I get down.
If I win, you give it to me.

already done about a month ago and that is why I have these proposals

I also offer beer if you lose your bet
I've got another interview tomorrow. The thing I hate is that there will be a group interview, you know what a breakup. .

 

[Er Presidente]

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already done about a month ago and that is why I have these proposals

I also offer beer if you lose your bet
I've got another interview tomorrow. The thing I hate is that there will be a group interview, you know what a breakup. .

I would have the "e" option, very energetic, say that in America you would arrive to us without passing from the airport!

 

[luigi.paiano]

I would have the "e" option, very energetic, say that in America you would arrive to us without passing from the airport!

No, I don't want much abroad yet. I've been there for six months, let me stay a little here and imprecate

 

[www.cad-3d.net]

Hello, luigi,

Let's put it like this, short brief:

not always, during a whole life, you can do the things you say you can do at your point one (have and other), so don't stand there thinking so much: go!

to the south (no one moves it, the south) you will return on holiday. How are we all doing?

ps: Do you understand where we are in Italy? Do you know how long this period of lean cows lasts? and is it clear in which situations are in germany?

All good for you!

of the noble

ps2: never say the things of the abb (...you know what a break...) or of the like, we are many on these waves...

 

[PierArg]

or

already done about a month ago and that is why I have these proposals

I also offer beer if you lose your bet
I've got another interview tomorrow. The thing I hate is that there will be a group interview, you know what a breakup. .

Good luck today.
as regards the group interview, think positive: The importance of the research figure is directly proportional to the difficulty of the talks.
Think when you understand with the psychologist who will ask you questions like:
"What do your friends think of you? "
"Make me pretend I'm a 3-year-old girl, can you explain how a car engine works? "
"What's your favorite color? "
"How do you see yourself in five years? "

p.s. I almost would choose the option "e":biggrin: