would you give me advice for my future?

[Tequila]

Good luck today.
as regards the group interview, think positive: The importance of the research figure is directly proportional to the difficulty of the talks.
Think when you understand with the psychologist who will ask you questions like:
"What do your friends think of you? "
"Make me pretend I'm a 3-year-old girl, can you explain how a car engine works? "
"What's your favorite color? "
"How do you see yourself in five years? "

p.s. I almost would choose the option "e":biggrin:

Sorry, pier, but going off topic, but some firms interview with the psychologist? I'll be back as the " pigtail" but I remember the interview from the psychologist only to the visit for military service (you like flowers? Would you make the florist? )

 

[PierArg]

Hello tequila,
Maybe it was just one... you have to see the group assessments where you're like in the big brother.
they put you in a room with others and observe how you behave/relationship based on a speech or simulation that is carried out by a sort of mediator.
they focus mainly on non-verbal communication because it is from what a professional can read you as an open book.
If you are a master in the oral interview to "hide" your personality, on nonverbal communication, you must be a nobel prize actor to get away with it.
and that's where they're going.

This approach is used by large companies who need to find the right person in a short time.

 

[PierArg]

Even the president recently made some... and had also opened a discussion about it.

They can make you live for truly simulated situations. for example:
- You're a bus driver and there's a hull.
You're on a lifeboat with other people. each has an object to bring but only one person, the one who will convince others, will bring with him his own object.

these assessments also serve to measure the ability to work under stress...and here you can always ask the president

 

[Tequila]

Hello tequila,
Maybe it was just one... you have to see the group assessments where you're like in the big brother.
they put you in a room with others and observe how you behave/relationship based on a speech or simulation that is carried out by a sort of mediator.
they focus mainly on non-verbal communication because it is from what a professional can read you as an open book.
If you are a master in the oral interview to "hide" your personality, on nonverbal communication, you must be a nobel prize actor to get away with it.
and that's where they're going.

This approach is used by large companies who need to find the right person in a short time.

I can't understand if they try to find the individual from a set of numbers, or if from a set of numbers, they look for a specific number.
It seems to me that this kind of interviews only serves to find the "varenne" in turn, discarding those who do not have the minimum requirements sufficient, a little as is happening on certain schools where for "colpa" (I blame even if it is not the correct word) of some child with difficulties, puts at risk the learning of others who are "healthy".
Mah! ! !
Anyway I apologize to luigi and others because I am bringing the thread to off topic... If necessary, moderators may consider moving these interventions into a new topic.

Even the president recently made some... and had also opened a discussion about it.

They can make you live for truly simulated situations. for example:
- You're a bus driver and there's a hull.
You're on a lifeboat with other people. each has an object to bring but only one person, the one who will convince others, will bring with him his own object.

these assessments also serve to measure the ability to work under stress...and here you can always ask the president

for these things I would have already cut out.. .
- You're a bus driver and there's a hull. I give 2 warnings courteously, at the third I stop and kick him out in the ass, even if I would be willing to throw him out after the first warning.
You're on a lifeboat with other people. each has an object to bring but only one person, the one who will convince others, will bring with him his own object. here (in words) it would be enough to make your own brain instinct prevail over other individuals, especially those who are terrified by the situation you are experiencing, and surely you can convince them that the object you have in your hand is fundamental to the survival of all, be it also a "pornographical girl".

working under stress?? ? I have my method to work under stress but many do not share it. if I am under stress let me vent those 2 minutes (2 blasphemies if you need it!!!) and then start again and solve problems.

 

[PierArg]

I answer briefly:

- they're not looking for vain. They're just trying to figure out who they're dealing with in the shortest possible time.
I would like to specify that it is also the exact opposite of what you think. if the company finds two or more potential people, it takes them all.
often large companies with thousands of employees (for example to say one by chance, the barilla) have no defined goal.
they are always looking and what comes out of the "scremature" take it.
Then they will train you and understand where you are brought and if you are more or less than another.

- on the situations I told you (bus and shawl) the right answer does not exist. changes according to the position you're running for.
If they're looking for someone who needs to be an employee, they're hardly going to take what he's convinced everyone.
will take the so-called "facilitator" of the group. is what seeks to "mymitate" the souls and "collaborate" with all without being neither zerbino nor tyrant.
If you run for navy seal then you will definitely be taken:tongue:

 

[Er Presidente]

I answer briefly:

- they're not looking for vain. They're just trying to figure out who they're dealing with in the shortest possible time.
I would like to specify that it is also the exact opposite of what you think. if the company finds two or more potential people, it takes them all.
often large companies with thousands of employees (for example to say one by chance, the barilla) have no defined goal.
they are always looking and what comes out of the "scremature" take it.
Then they will train you and understand where you are brought and if you are more or less than another.

- on the situations I told you (bus and shawl) the right answer does not exist. changes according to the position you're running for.
If they're looking for someone who needs to be an employee, they're hardly going to take what he's convinced everyone.
will take the so-called "facilitator" of the group. is what seeks to "mymitate" the souls and "collaborate" with all without being neither zerbino nor tyrant.
If you run for navy seal then you will definitely be taken:tongue:

we say that you try to make a "profile" of the person with (approximately) five "values" in different areas.

having a genius who is unable to communicate his brilliant ideas is not needed.
having a communicator genius who can't convince others of his ideas doesn't need it.
to have a communicator genius and fancier who does not group and kills his collaborators do not need.
having a leading communicator genius that under stress goes into hysterical crisis and jumps on the ground does not need.
to have a reliable leading communicator genius who, however, fails to understand the situations that arise, does not need.

Moral, knowing if you're a genius can't tell you an assessment, but it's a good way to bring a selected group of technical test candidates (which only another genius can perform).

at the end of the tests you will have an evaluation for each "area", it is normal that everyone excels in at least one of the areas, difficult in two, rare in three, very rare in four.

p.s.

 

[PierArg]

...
having a genius who is unable to communicate his brilliant ideas is not needed.
having a communicator genius who can't convince others of his ideas doesn't need it.
to have a communicator genius and fancier who does not group and kills his collaborators do not need.
having a leading communicator genius that under stress goes into hysterical crisis and jumps on the ground does not need.
to have a reliable leading communicator genius who, however, fails to understand the situations that arise, does not need.
. .

It sounds like the song "at the East Fair, for a little bit of money my father bought. .
...and came the..."

ahahahahahahahahaha

...
at the end of the tests you will have an evaluation for each "area", it is normal that everyone excels in at least one of the areas, difficult in two, rare in three, very rare in four.

p.s.

Who knows who is that bucket who took the most in 4 areas...
I'd be ashamed:

 

[Er Presidente]

It sounds like the song "at the East Fair, for a little bit of money my father bought. .
...and came the..."

ahahahahahahahahaha




Who knows who is that bucket who took the most in 4 areas...
I'd be ashamed:

quasi 5, please.

 

[PierArg]

You just humiliated them for judging you. ..:finger:

 

[marcof]

It seems to me that this kind of interviews only serves to find the "varenne" in turn, discarding those who do not have the minimum requirements sufficient, a little as is happening on certain schools where for "colpa" (I blame even if it is not the correct word) of some child with difficulties, puts at risk the learning of others who are "healthy".
Mah! ! !

ot per ot...

My experience, regarding school, is exactly opposite.
the learning difficulties as well as the regular and serene course of the school activities have always been, I always say, caused by those two or three children (before) boys (now) fans who suffer from chronic shortage of kicks in the ass by parents, parents who in turn have behaviors worse than those of their children. some more or less serious spastic, one with serious problems of epilepsy and two downs that we met in the years of school of our daughter were not minimally in the way for anyone and have never dreamed of gluing the pages of books to the most interested students, stealing the notebooks with the notes and laboratory reports or similar amenities.

p.s.I'm not sure I understood what you meant well, so my considerations are not necessarily addressed to you, if I took advantage of your message to write mine. :smile:

 

[calacc]

1200 euros in Bologna are few.. .

wait to take them every month, continuously! then when you find who will give you more to do the same job only then you can say that they are few.
What kind of speech is this? ! ?
I know people who keep a whole family with a salary like that, and I'm not certain of the miserables! If you do such talk and you never took a pay envelope, as well as lack of respect for those who work, prepare to stay for a unemployed piece!

we know that engineers in Italy are less paid than foreign countries, we see it reading this Article for example.. .
but with this it is not a blasphemy to start working, although I have to make many sacrifices at first.

Look, if you want to start working in industry, you'll have to settle. especially at the beginning. then in the future if you are a brilliant boy (as I think you are really, reading posts on your experience) your satisfactions will take them away. but you must bear patience.
Remember that right now, no one knows you and no one needs you to work and earn money. The most important thing you have to do is start, put yourself in the game, let you know. then in the future what will arise and you will certainly make you beautiful experiences.

 

[Tequila]

ot per ot...

My experience, regarding school, is exactly opposite.
the learning difficulties as well as the regular and serene course of the school activities have always been, I always say, caused by those two or three children (before) boys (now) fans who suffer from chronic shortage of kicks in the ass by parents, parents who in turn have behaviors worse than those of their children. some more or less serious spastic, one with serious problems of epilepsy and two downs that we met in the years of school of our daughter were not minimally in the way for anyone and have never dreamed of gluing the pages of books to the most interested students, stealing the notebooks with the notes and laboratory reports or similar amenities.

p.s.I'm not sure I understood what you meant well, so my considerations are not necessarily addressed to you, if I took advantage of your message to write mine. :smile:

hi marco, go quiet, can also be addressed to me the speech, there are no problems.

I agree with the fact of the fans or anything (not that I was a saint or a bucket). my exit on the speech of disabled children was born only from the fact that yesterday I read an article on the internet and came almost natural considering the fold I made to take to the thread (I refer to moderators the evaluation of removing these interventions and moving them to a new topic) to say these things.

the above articlehttp://www.ilmessaggero.it/primopia...portano_via_figli_scuola/notizie/329390.shtml

 

[Fulvio Romano]

wait to take them every month, continuously! then when you find who will give you more to do the same job only then you can say that they are few.
What kind of speech is this? ! ?
I know people who keep a whole family with a salary like that, and I'm not certain of the miserables! If you do such talk and you never took a pay envelope, as well as lack of respect for those who work, prepare to stay for a unemployed piece!

this is true, but between two job offers, one at 1200€/month and one at 1201€/month for the same job you would choose?

Then you have to pay attention to such inertias I have a job, it does not satisfy me, in the meantime I look for another one. I can spend years that the other one doesn't find it. Then you lose the job and within three months you find another one. Why? because with the full belly it is difficult to bend down to collect the roots.

Finally... hegi.paiano, did my mp get you?

 

[luigi.paiano]

wait to take them every month, continuously! then when you find who will give you more to do the same job only then you can say that they are few.
What kind of speech is this? ! ?
I know people who keep a whole family with a salary like that, and I'm not certain of the miserables! If you do such talk and you never took a pay envelope, as well as lack of respect for those who work, prepare to stay for a unemployed piece!

we know that engineers in Italy are less paid than foreign countries, we see it reading this Article for example.. .
but with this it is not a blasphemy to start working, although I have to make many sacrifices at first.

Look, if you want to start working in industry, you'll have to settle. especially at the beginning. then in the future if you are a brilliant boy (as I think you are really, reading posts on your experience) your satisfactions will take them away. but you must bear patience.
Remember that right now, no one knows you and no one needs you to work and earn money. The most important thing you have to do is start, put yourself in the game, let you know. then in the future what will arise and you will certainly make you beautiful experiences.

Look, as soon as I get an offer like that, I don't get away with it, but I was thinking long term. as first salary is a manna from heaven. It's true, you're right, the graduates can't do anything, and I'm convinced, but the sacrifices make sense when they have an end. already interviewed, it sounds like a joke, but maybe I'm wrong.
what I want now is to learn and have
the possibility of a job and I hope this will happen

 

[radio]

....(I refer to moderators the evaluation of removing these interventions and moving them to a new topic)
......

I would not say for the moment that there are reasons to intervene, since the topic of the debate is quite broadly based; But be drunk, huh?

 

[Vmax]

hegi,
on the PhD option vs internship + "probable" hiring I try to make a somewhat general speech, which I find more appropriate for life choices of this type.
I break a spear in favor of the doctorate: Unlike the degrees, where the influence of the athenaeus and/or the nation is almost always preponderant, where the course of studies follows, the doctorate is far more homogeneous, for a number of factors such as posting experiences, publication in peer reviewed journals, conferences, and other activities normally foreseen in a doctoral path. for this reason the doctorate remained in a certain sense the last opportunity left to acquire a higher education in a structured way, after the complete devastation of the five-year degree courses, real flowers in the crown of the Italian university education in the world, on which I would not argue given the opinions expressed by more sources, much more authoritative than me, on the subject. I am not saying that it is all roses and flowers, let us mean, but, regardless of the particular branch of application, the doctorate can give you a much broader intellectual "vocabulary" than today can give you a specialist degree; I will quote you moors: "He who speaks badly thinks, and lives badly." a motto that, in an enlarged sense, we can bring in every area, including the technical-scientific one, in terms of that 'forma mentes' which is the true discrimination that makes the engineer the key to time of any technology. on the "expensibility" in the working field, unfortunately, in a country like this, where they count much more knowledge of skills, and where you always look to the egg today and never to the chicken tomorrow, I would say little or nothing.
On the other hand, the company's experience that is offered to you is certainly of value, in an important company, with an added value that probably goes beyond the mere economic compensation, in terms of acquisition of specialized skills, insertion in the world of work, and experience of dynamics, often perverse, that govern it.
But I am of the opinion that a doctoral experience is better to do it immediately, much more if with a purse, maybe looking for a contact with some company interested in getting you to develop something in your doctoral field, which could be an equally good path for your future job placement.
in any case good luck.

 

[calacc]

but Luigi, wait a second.. .
You said you did the magisterium, right?!? Why don't you become a high school teacher instead of a doctorate? then in the while and even when you are a role you can still play the free profession. My dad did it for more than 20 years and some of his colleagues still do it today!
I mean, what I mean is this: The doctorate lasts 3 years, it forms you but it does not enable you in anything. ssis lasts 2 years (I believe) and enables you to teach.
then you want to put: fixed loaf under the state, free time enough to cultivate your professional collaborations and earn more! and remember that if there is crisis outside collaborators and consultants are the first to jump, so only free profession is risky to camp... But so if you have the job you experience and have fun, if you don't have it because there is no or because you don't have enough time to devote to it (cause you don't want, disease, family, etc...) you can safely devote yourself to something else with the certainty of never being in canvas arms!

 

[luigi.paiano]

but Luigi, wait a second.. .
You said you did the magisterium, right?!? Why don't you become a high school teacher instead of a doctorate? then in the while and even when you are a role you can still play the free profession. My dad did it for more than 20 years and some of his colleagues still do it today!
I mean, what I mean is this: The doctorate lasts 3 years, it forms you but it does not enable you in anything. ssis lasts 2 years (I believe) and enables you to teach.
then you want to put: fixed loaf under the state, free time enough to cultivate your professional collaborations and earn more! and remember that if there is crisis outside collaborators and consultants are the first to jump, so only free profession is risky to camp... But so if you have the job you experience and have fun, if you don't have it because there is no or because you don't have enough time to devote to it (cause you don't want, disease, family, etc...) you can safely devote yourself to something else with the certainty of never being in canvas arms!

but the place of professor is not that of infinite files and twenty-year precariousness?

 

[calacc]

Well, at first the precariousness will be as strong as in all trades. 20 years I'd hope not!
then the fortune of a professor who is also an engineer and who can work very much in the private. You'll be able to make it in two years. You can work in the industry where you want. After years of attempts you can win a competition and get a chair (that is, mathematics, physics, mechanics, technology etc...) then you can quit the industry and do the p.iva! once you're in a role, nobody's gonna throw you out. and if maybe you even became important in the industry where you worked before they only have an interest in making sure that you continue to work for them also from outside. They know that from one moment to another, you could find yourself out of competition... and at that point beyond the damage they would also find the mocking!
I have known several professors who have done so, all extremely passionate and competent people. I also met others who did the opposite, that is, they left the school for a very close place in the industry where obviously they took more!
then in life you never know how it will end... but as a valid alternative to the doctorate this is a possibility that I would not discard a priori.

 

[PierArg]

but the ssis was not abolished?