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[michele81]

difficult for a sw, even mechanical, very "generalist" everyone to have the same needs and need the same strategies of work.
difficult even that one remembers everything that in the very fast and very concentrated courses is said in frettinfuria to "optimize" times (and costs).
even more difficult (it takes years) to have a mastery of sw and its behaviors so as to "to domesticate" them to their needs. and overcome problems.

then the "titular" claims that the assistance arrives and that with four "clicks" on the server and 2 on the options solves the basic problems of the technicians, being able to give them maybe "infections" when, always by hypothesis, they were denied the advanced courses because "they cost too much" (and maybe the commercial to check on the price did not insert them) and if his daughter did the tesina to the high school with vvvord

Sometimes it's not always the fault of classes or instructors... only often...:tongue::

ok my was a provocation...:smile:
the only advice I was given to the basic course was about sketches: do not exaggerate to complicate a sketch, rather create more solid functions than realize the same thing. useful advice, that I tried to follow from the beginning, but a little bit in my opinion.
I believe cmq that who sells sw knows perfectly the times of regeneration of the various functions, so also what is easier to manage.. ..probably all this is part of the advanced courses...that I never had the pleasure to attend
(an advanced modeling course what will cost?2000 euro? ...if I pass a month and a half only to do tests costs less to the company; then there would be advanced course on the assemblies and that on the plates; Does there also exist one of the parameters of advanced axis? :wink

 

[Oldwarper]

(an advanced modeling course what will cost?2000 euro? ...if I pass a month and a half only to do tests costs less to the company; then there would be advanced course on the assemblies and that on the plates; Does there also exist one of the parameters of advanced axis? :wink

I understand... as I understand the owners who prefer to buy a 500-eur megafress to feed the new round-scratch cooler that shoves it on the piece, but that makes you a nice trash of smoked rind from scrap, while you don't want to hear about a 250-eur course that optimizes you and speeds theut, but that at the eye does not make you only a basket of extra paper...

All the times I ask for something for aut ask me jokingly (but not so much) "but this, how much more does it make me do? "

It's always been like this. It's our job. I'm sorry.

 

[torok]

Thank you all for the advice and opinions you are giving me
This forum is the only way I have to compare with who already uses solidworks .
today I have not been in the office and I could not put into practice your advice
the first thing I want to do and to create a configuration (very good idea I didn't think about it) just for the vice

 

[sampom]

Thank you all for the advice and opinions you are giving me
This forum is the only way I have to compare with who already uses solidworks .
today I have not been in the office and I could not put into practice your advice
the first thing I want to do and to create a configuration (very good idea I didn't think about it) just for the vice

When the "technical" comes, let us know what its solutions have been.. and especially if they solved.

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[reggio]

I guarantee that with a medium-range workstation (of the cost of 1000-1500 euros) you manage carpentry assemblies of at least 10000 components.

Hello, I will soon have to change pcs, you could give me qlc idea of configuration ws
optimal for sw remaining on the 1000heuri?

 

[Poly]

I've had the chance to do an advanced course on axiemi... :biggrin:
the councils (somewhat a little counter-tendence compared to previous posts) were:

1. work with 20-50 axioms below to be able to control more easily the hierarchy of couplings
2. manage at least 2 configurations for each set with and without screw: not two display states but two configurations.
3. where possible the geometry of the defect does not contribute to binding the other elements
4. bind everything even bolts do not leave degrees of freedom not defined for any component. This is particularly important for assemblies with mobile parts or sub-assistances that must be flexible.
5. prefer fixed, coincidence and distance couplings
6. where possible use repetitions of components
7. where possible to bind between the reference geometry in this order: origin, standard plans, user-created plans, temporary axes, user-defined axes, user-defined points.
8. modeling the parts strategically in order to favor the couplings between the reference geometries
9. limit where possible the use of flexible axioms
10. limit the number of advanced couplings in a mainly tangent assembly and limit angle.
11. use light weight during the development phases of the axieme.
12. use speed packs if necessary (never used)
13. very important not to create circular chains of mating constraints but if possible to use hierarchy with few main knots.

for the creation of the parts in order not to weigh the assemblies, the advice is:

1. maximise symmetries and then mirrors and repetitions
2. body mirroring is often more effective than function mirroring
3. use more features with light sketches
4. create multiple configurations e.g. schematic, constructive, aesthetics with levels of detail and increasing number of functions. from here also the assemblies have two or three different configurations with different levels of detail.
5. for the couplings use the geometry created in the schematic configuration so that the same couplings value for all the configurations of the axieme.
6. ... but at the moment I forgot

to think about it well are almost all logical things that you learn with the experience... and that are part of the parametric thought to which I mentioned in other posts... but they forced me to see many of the first works I did. :tongue:

I am curious to hear what the technician tells you... Let us know.

 

[michele81]

I've had the chance to do an advanced course on axiemi... :biggrin:

thanks to the summary...I think it is very useful to those who approach the use of sw; point 4 a little surprises me. . .
do you think an advanced axiemi course can actually be useful?
Did you follow him after working long with sw?

 

[cacciatorino]

thanks to the summary...I think it is very useful to those who approach the use of sw; point 4 a little surprises me. . .

I think it's important to me, even to avoid having to update the board of a big group just because inadvertently you turned a little screw by dragging it.

 

[Poly]

thanks to the summary...I think it is very useful to those who approach the use of sw; point 4 a little surprises me. . .
do you think an advanced axiemi course can actually be useful?
Did you follow him after working long with sw?

As regards paragraph 4, the explanation given to me is as follows. the engine of analysis of cinematisms to determine the position of all elements verify the degrees of freedom. e.g. a bolt is placed on a part called to which it is then bound to others by hinges or other types of fulcrum. the bolt is not totally bound. if I move the part to exploit the fulcrum all the parts that are bound to in a totally defined way are resolved quickly. the bolt does not, it needs some extra calculation. if then this together becomes a flexible subaxieme and to the part I go to bind other parts the overload of calculations to see if the bolt moves again. And so on. if then this type of situation is repeated several times in the main axieme and maybe there is also some chain of circular constraints you can get to the situation of slowness indicated in the first post of the thread. The analysis engine is also recalled when new couplings are created if the coupling animation function is enabled. The question, however, is of less importance for assemblies where everything is fixed and there are no degrees of freedom to simulate the movements of the final product. At that point, sub-assistances are rigid and are treated more easily.

personally the course on the assemblies was useful to us. Maybe we did it before! Maybe they told us four words at the base course! only that instead of a day would have sufficed a little bit to avoid the doubts that could arise from the particular situations that each of us faces in his work. What you want to do: who does the courses lengthens the soup to justify the expense, they must live also them.:biggrin:

 

[Kakisan]

I am managing one in this perdium with 8000 active bodies (more about double suspended, so much not needed).
with nug we were packing a lot but much earlier, already with 1000 bodies we had big difficulties.
all on a 2.4 ghz, nvidia card fx1800, xp32 bit...it is definitely not light...but it works.
However I am preparing a course on the great assemblies, as soon as it is finished I share it.
Hi.

Many believe that for large axioms pro/e is much better than swx, what do you think?

How many parts do you have to have a set to say it's a big set?

Hi.

 

[re_solidworks]

I work a lot in the carpentry, and recently, in the carpentry "edile". Axioms of over 50,000 bodies are normal....

 

[blubossa]

I am managing one in this perdium with 8000 active bodies (more about double suspended, so much not needed).
with nug we were packing a lot but much earlier, already with 1000 bodies we had big difficulties.
all on a 2.4 ghz, nvidia card fx1800, xp32 bit...it is definitely not light...but it works.
However I am preparing a course on the great assemblies, as soon as it is finished I share it.
Hi.

hi kakistan I believe that many would be grateful to you, a course that departs from the simpler assemblies to the great assemblies I think is a manna from the sky.
Hi.

 

[Kakisan]

Hi.
I am certainly not a solidworks technician, but I often clash with problems of heaviness both of axioms and of individual details.
for the moment I have prepared a course on complex details, we develop castings in cast iron up to 35/40 tons and welded in equal mass.
I'm working a little bit on the axiemi course, but I'm oberated on a new project.
As a business course, I will have to clean it up properly from sensitive data, but I will see to do something optimal anyway.
Wait for my new ones as soon as possible.
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hi kakistan I believe that many would be grateful to you, a course that departs from the simpler assemblies to the great assemblies I think is a manna from the sky.
Hi.

 

[Strumpf]

Hello, girl,
I hope you're all fine.

who remembers me knows that I was among the first "defenders" of swx, but lately I have to say that I am very disappointed, in fact I decided to skip maintenance contract this year. since I had so many problems with 2010.
I did advanced surfaces, but nothing I didn't even do before, I worked on a nice 64-bit pc. 4gb ram qfx 3800 etc.
after 150 featuring c.ca the parts became heavy, after 500 features, almost not manageable.
Assigns were also disastrous though I did not use couplings (all parts had common origin).
and for references (both external and internal) I don't know what to say... it was miracle if any modification was reconstructed all right, some features always falivano, modifying something or not.
In short, a lot of trouble, all this assistance could only say
"I don't know why, and very strange, never happened."
and I
"I don't pay you any more" since it's very strange to me that I pay someone all that money every time (7-8 times in 5 years) says "I don't know."
Sorry if I get a little out of it, but what I mean and that is not always graphic card fault, lack of training, windows, service pack or miracle, sometimes even sofware simply do not work.

big hug to old friends!

 

[cacciatorino]

Hello, girl,
I hope you're all fine.

Welcome back!!!! :smile:

 

[maxopus]

What have you done all this time?
I thought you'd come back to your house, astonished at Italy.
Welcome back

 

[sampom]

Hello, girl,
I hope you're all fine.
Big hug to old friends!

I can't believe it! !
Welcome back strumpf.. What happened to you? Are you okay?

greetings
Marco:smile:

 

[re_solidworks]

Hello, girl,
I hope you're all fine.

who remembers me knows that I was among the first "defenders" of swx, but lately I have to say that I am very disappointed, in fact I decided to skip maintenance contract this year. since I had so many problems with 2010.
I did advanced surfaces, but nothing I didn't even do before, I worked on a nice 64-bit pc. 4gb ram qfx 3800 etc.
after 150 featuring c.ca the parts became heavy, after 500 features, almost not manageable.
Assigns were also disastrous though I did not use couplings (all parts had common origin).
and for references (both external and internal) I don't know what to say... it was miracle if any modification was reconstructed all right, some features always falivano, modifying something or not.
In short, a lot of trouble, all this assistance could only say
"I don't know why, and very strange, never happened."
and I
"I don't pay you any more" since it's very strange to me that I pay someone all that money every time (7-8 times in 5 years) says "I don't know."
Sorry if I get a little out of it, but what I mean and that is not always graphic card fault, lack of training, windows, service pack or miracle, sometimes even sofware simply do not work.

big hug to old friends!

Finally we see you!!! I read some old discussion just a few days ago and I thought I'd love to see you around here. :finger:

returning to what you wrote... I don't really agree. 2010 is not in place and from what you see on the field, every year the versions are at a point always later and often keep problems even in the last service pack.
this is mainly due to the fact that users expect more and more, because they are shocked by the previous version.

all the parameters to keep history, references, etc... are heavier than contextuals.
I have experienced many problems of heaviness on my skin and even in my case courses and assistance have not helped me at all. My problem (and that of my partner) is that we insisted on the property to have a 3d and after pushing the investment we had to get out or it was the end.
for sacrifices, remakes, etc... the working method has always been + refined and now we are + that satisfied. Of course, to make mega assemblies, it needs a mega workstation, but up to a certain level of course not.
I often recommend to understand first of all how he thinks solidworks and try to understand how to indulge him. using the xpert assembly tool and function statistics you need to understand the regeneration times and try to get each particle with the functions + simple and fast to manage.
I recently worked on a project of others, it was practically unmanageable and I have a workstation of precision t5500 with xeon 5560, 12 gb ram, picture fx 4800 and win7x64.
after my "tuning" the times of regeneration, creation seen, etc... have decreased on average by 75%
of surfaces I do not use many, but I did (just a part for lack of time) the tutorial of the audi r8 and I found swx very fludium with surfaces far from simple.
this tutorial I am doing it with one of the m6300 - 4 gb of ram - cpu t7700 - picture fx 1600m, as you see nothing exceptional.
You have to get used to working "light" and when the axieme becomes too complex you have to reduce it in parts + simple, there is no alternative.

here I would like to call on maintenance users: break the boxes to your dealer because there is no effective, fast and paramentary method to have simplified models in swx.
proe+aaax does this with a few clicks (I would pray maxopus not to enjoy too much with my statement) and I do not see why you should not strive to do something similar to the swx.
of direct modeling I don't care about a bat and much less of the touch, that's games stuff, I care about a stable, fast, effective cad and able to manage as it owes the big assemblies.
to today it is complex and laborious + that with other tools and we must complain of this.
We must also complain about the performance of the boards, very good at demos but with an achilles heel. . .
you do the views in a moment and drag like with autocad, but if you dare to change a property in a file and to return to the table you climb in front of the pc.
I don't understand. but possible that it takes 5 seconds to make the view from zero and minutes to change a property?

for the rest I am happy and tribulating, I can pull out projects that satisfy me. I want to point out that I work practically always on big and tribular projects is normal with any tool. ...

 

[Strumpf]

here I would like to call on maintenance users: break the boxes to your dealer because there is no effective, fast and paramentary method to have simplified models in swx.
proe+aaax does this with a few clicks (I would pray maxopus not to enjoy too much with my statement) and I do not see why you should not strive to do something similar to the swx.
of direct modeling I don't care about a bat and much less of the touch, that's games stuff, I care about a stable, fast, effective cad and able to manage as it owes the big assemblies.
to today it is complex and laborious + that with other tools and we must complain of this.
We must also complain about the performance of the boards, very good at demos but with an achilles heel. . .
you do the views in a moment and drag like with autocad, but if you dare to change a property in a file and to return to the table you climb in front of the pc.
I don't understand. but possible that it takes 5 seconds to make the view from zero and minutes to change a property?
......

very agreeable
Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems to me that on catia I have seen a function like "elimina useless" i.e. eliminates all the features that affect the final model
I often assume that changing, and changing so many functions remain there even if they no longer serve, but with the times I have available I can not go looking for one by one, so an automatic cleaning would be convenient.
[OT]Thanks for the warm welcome back
I was from here and from there, I have done several things, now I am in a moment of confusion (I have lost some reference I have to reconstruct myself ) and in the time I wander a little
today I was at the fair parma... Yes. http://www.cad3d.it/forum1/showthread.php?t=3963&highlight=cena+cad3d he
I met some old friends[\OT]

 

[Oldwarper]

!!!:4425:

It's a piece that doesn't feel!! !

He felt your lack... !!!:3545