ferro
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If their project was limited to reducing losses to close, trust me, it would have happened already.
but those hairs were raised to bread and bits. They're doing miracles.
The same failed curator had to believe!
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but those hairs were raised to bread and bits. They're doing miracles.
The same failed curator had to believe!
ferro
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Well, no one's waiting, including me, of course. but to satisfied customers t3 I say they can have confidence. That's all.Good luck to friends of t3.
Obviously we competitors will not stand with hands in hand waiting for what happens.
who will see.
then... some thoughts to free wheel.. .
from your previous posts it seems that the tool is the key to making a company winning (post of 26/09 17.01).
I think the instrument is 30% of what it takes to be successful. good tools and zero ideas bring little away.
you need ideas, vision of your market, capable and motivated people, ass.. .
Do you know that there are florid companies that still use and only 2d ? and firms with nx (and not only, by par condicio) on the brink of failure?
then... last night thought. . .
I sold solid edge for 10 years.
I ask you. How many corporate changes have been nx and if in these years?
Would you be happy to know that the vice president panicked (or successful) has passed weapons and luggage and customer list to competition?
Think about it.
No one's gonna give up on the opportunities that they showed up, but this is a bad story of good people getting their ass off a bunch of bucks.
and if there's a mockery of decency we have to give credit to these guys who are trying a crazy business... me, little entrepreneur, I take my hat.
eppoi are friends, grown of the same passion.
The_Matrix
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Sometimes I wonder if the sight of a post of mine makes the blood come to the head of the law.Well, no one's waiting, including me, of course. but to satisfied customers t3 I say they can have confidence. That's all.
then... some thoughts to free wheel.. .
from your previous posts it seems that the tool is the key to making a company winning (post of 26/09 17.01).
I think the instrument is 30% of what it takes to be successful. good tools and zero ideas bring little away.
you need ideas, vision of your market, capable and motivated people, ass.. .
Do you know that there are florid companies that still use and only 2d ? and firms with nx (and not only, by par condicio) on the brink of failure?
then... last night thought. . .
I sold solid edge for 10 years.
I ask you. How many corporate changes have been nx and if in these years?
Would you be happy to know that the vice president panicked (or successful) has passed weapons and luggage and customer list to competition?
Think about it.
No one's gonna give up on the opportunities that they showed up, but this is a bad story of good people getting their ass off a bunch of bucks.
and if there's a mockery of decency we have to give credit to these guys who are trying a crazy business... me, little entrepreneur, I take my hat.
eppoi are friends, grown of the same passion.
and make it mandatory to comment on my words by attributing to him the meaning you like.
I wrote:the problem is to believe or not in a solution. . .
as the friend ozzy said, if you don't believe it, run as soon as you can, why delay on a moribund technology or with little future:
1) makes the competitiveness of your smaller company
2) makes a future transition to other technology more difficult, since data will increasebecause you are talking about a plm solution and the fact that a user was undecided whether to renew or not the maintenance contract.
that has to do with from your previous posts it seems that the tool is the key to making a company winning (post of 26/09 17.01)....with what I answered?
if you want to do the directional consultant try to comment on it at least.
If you have a plm tool in which you don't believe anymore explain to me what sense it has to remain attached to us.
If you believe you go ahead with think3... But I will be very free to go to a company with td and tt and make it my healthy replacement proposal. . (Well, I... not me...)
your talk about business competitiveness from what I said has got to do with merenda cabbage.
ferro
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I interpret it as I wrote. Not anymore.the problem is to believe or not in a solution. . .
as the friend ozzy said, if you don't believe it, run as soon as you can, why delay on a moribund technology or with little future:1) makes the competitiveness of your smaller company2) makes a future transition to other technology more difficult, since data will increase
I really have to be a bad direction counselor if the word plm brings me the hive.
Anyway, I don't have blood on my head, and I don't think I'm a management counselor. . they have other things to do than listen to me!
I just expressed my thinking by taking inspiration from what you say...
Can I do that?
When nx is sold to a venture company in the Tonga Islands, I will be supportive of you. I promise!
and I close here...the polemics after 2 posts become boring. . .
Hi.
ferro
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the_matrix, I only ask you something that has nothing to do with this thread.
What does splm mean? I never heard of him. . .
Thank you.
What does splm mean? I never heard of him. . .
Thank you.
The_Matrix
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nx has already been in hand to 3 venture company... and no one has expressed me the solidarity that I do not need.I interpret it as I wrote. Not anymore.
I really have to be a bad direction counselor if the word plm brings me the hive.
Anyway, I don't have blood on my head, and I don't think I'm a management counselor. . they have other things to do than listen to me!
I just expressed my thinking by taking inspiration from what you say...
Can I do that?
When nx is sold to a venture company in the Tonga Islands, I will be supportive of you. I promise!
and I close here...the polemics after 2 posts become boring. . .
Hi.
t3 wanted to turn into a "mini-ptc" taking a lot of commercial and technical strength on board.
It was a strategy.. .
and aggressiveness, going to give the software I didn't invent it.
and not even the promises of wonders in the naval and the automotive never maintained, made with "demo" canned and deceptive strategies. I have in my archive a pdf t3 called "the great scam". .
so, ok to sanctify your former colleagues, but without exaggerating.
If you think that the plm does not serve to improve business competitiveness and so it is worth returning to the tecnigraph... Oh, good for you.
and if you don't want to argue with me... do something: Don't start.
The_Matrix
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siemens plmthe_matrix, I only ask you something that has nothing to do with this thread.
What does splm mean? I never heard of him. . .
Thank you.
ferro
Guest
Ok tex. She got a tutte!and if you don't want to argue with me... do something: Don't start.
The_Matrix
Guest
more than you imagineOk tex. She got a tutte!
stefano984
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1. the agreement authorized by the judge c. mott in texas has no effectiveness in Italy and in the ue area, just the provisions of the Italian bankruptcy law and of the regulation (c) of the Council 29 May 2000 n. 1346/2000;
2. Prosecution of the Republic of Bologna in person of the deputy prosecutor Dr. Rossilla poggioli has recently opened a criminal proceeding for fraudulent bankruptcy for distraction against some apical subjects (legal representatives and/or administrators) of think3 and paid (whose criminal liability will be ascertained at the outcome of the future criminal judgment).
official source:http://www.think3.eu/it/news--event...a-procedura-think3-inc#9i0bsq5swcp2ndg4kcp40g
2. Prosecution of the Republic of Bologna in person of the deputy prosecutor Dr. Rossilla poggioli has recently opened a criminal proceeding for fraudulent bankruptcy for distraction against some apical subjects (legal representatives and/or administrators) of think3 and paid (whose criminal liability will be ascertained at the outcome of the future criminal judgment).
official source:http://www.think3.eu/it/news--event...a-procedura-think3-inc#9i0bsq5swcp2ndg4kcp40g
stefano984
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the previous post was about the original theme: what future for think3 (though I think the post has gone quite out of theme)
talking about "technology" and admirable solutions, understood by a client that I follow as a systemist, and curious I find a hand-made sketch on an a1 hanging on the wall.
I wonder if it's a joke, and he says, "It makes me a colleague of mine who never got used to 3d, and by hand it does before with 2d" (solidedge ndr)
What do you mean? If so many customers still use thinkdesign so gladly, will it be for example because it has the best 2d of all modelers on the market?
Moreover, to answer the above read:
"if you don't believe it anymore, run as soon as you can, because you're late on a moribund technology or with little future:
1) makes the competitiveness of your smaller company
2) makes a future transition to other technology more difficult, as data will increase"
context both statements.
anyone who understands software implementation knows that a commercial sells the idea of the horse, but it is too often just a pony, if it's okay.
the ideal "solution" is what everyone has, very often, so much so that the market is very firm; the cad is almost commodity, and the plm has development channels only "for those who did not have it before" and tends to go on choices based more on the integration with the cad that you have in the house rather than on the "ideal solution".
other great and very discounted truth is that the excellent is too often enemy of the good, and that the technical offices are very heterogeneous.
who has thinkdesign if you hold it more than you can, perhaps by bargaining maintenance/assistance prices.
I can say it without false modesty:
the only objective limits of thinkdesign are the scalability at the top (car design and complete frame in automotive, aerospace and naval) on very large projects (from several thousand pieces up).
what I would like to communicate to users is: do not throw away your swx or inventor or if or thinkdesign, if you are moderately satisfied, because you would only enrich the belly of some commercial.
talking about "technology" and admirable solutions, understood by a client that I follow as a systemist, and curious I find a hand-made sketch on an a1 hanging on the wall.
I wonder if it's a joke, and he says, "It makes me a colleague of mine who never got used to 3d, and by hand it does before with 2d" (solidedge ndr)
What do you mean? If so many customers still use thinkdesign so gladly, will it be for example because it has the best 2d of all modelers on the market?
Moreover, to answer the above read:
"if you don't believe it anymore, run as soon as you can, because you're late on a moribund technology or with little future:
1) makes the competitiveness of your smaller company
2) makes a future transition to other technology more difficult, as data will increase"
context both statements.
anyone who understands software implementation knows that a commercial sells the idea of the horse, but it is too often just a pony, if it's okay.
the ideal "solution" is what everyone has, very often, so much so that the market is very firm; the cad is almost commodity, and the plm has development channels only "for those who did not have it before" and tends to go on choices based more on the integration with the cad that you have in the house rather than on the "ideal solution".
other great and very discounted truth is that the excellent is too often enemy of the good, and that the technical offices are very heterogeneous.
who has thinkdesign if you hold it more than you can, perhaps by bargaining maintenance/assistance prices.
I can say it without false modesty:
the only objective limits of thinkdesign are the scalability at the top (car design and complete frame in automotive, aerospace and naval) on very large projects (from several thousand pieces up).
what I would like to communicate to users is: do not throw away your swx or inventor or if or thinkdesign, if you are moderately satisfied, because you would only enrich the belly of some commercial.
ferro
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I say it against my interest. but it is a sacred affirmation.do not throw away your swx or inventor or thinkdesign, if you are moderately satisfied, because you will only enrich the belly of some commercial.
and it would be time that those who sell cad and plm began to loose their tie and go down to the ground floor.
marcof
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do not throw away your swx or inventor or thinkdesign, if you are moderately satisfied, because you will only enrich the belly of some commercial.
Let's say it's easy to say now. with the air that pulls the tie (but also shirt and socks) slid it, by force, all.I say it against my interest. but it is a sacred affirmation.
and it would be time that those who sell cad and plm began to loose their tie and go down to the ground floor.
not long ago ptc and some other dealer of cad midrange if you called for the demo wishing to buy one license just missed that spitting in your face.
tried personally, eh, not to say...
The_Matrix
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I agree that a company can decide to hold its plm structure for a long time.what I would like to communicate to users is: do not throw away your swx or inventor or if or thinkdesign, if you are moderately satisfied, because you would only enrich the belly of some commercial.
a partner for that.
if the software is called swx/se/inv/proe/catia/nx etc are perfectly in agreement.
You have art software and do what you need... If you chose it, it's not?
the speech, imho, does not apply for t3, for example... as it did not apply in the past for the software that are then "mothers" (peace to their soul... ):
- euclid
- computervision
- intergraph i/ems
- applicon
- sdrc
- auto-trol
- cadam
- Calm down.
- etc.
All these cads didn't die right now. . .
I worked in matra when euclid began his descendant parable losing appeal... was 1997... in 2004/5 was still used... maintained... but destined to death.
and no one dreamed of investing on corporate innovation based on euclid... even if he had a fantastic 2d and the surfaces he took if he dreamed of them.. .
and the same will happen for t3... or not.
He's dying... It'll take time... but he will die.. .
How much do I not know... 2 years? Three? but his end is marked.
the only difference between the situation of t3 and that of the "dinosaurs" I mentioned before (euclid, cadds, calm, etc.) is that for the "dinosaurs" there was a clear defined path of death, having been acquired... while not for t3.
It makes a difference, but not so much.
Matteo
Guest
in 2004 I saw a still working calm station! the client's use was terrified of the idea that the hd would break because they had automatic procedures for the generation of surfaces only through that software. . .I agree that a company can decide to hold its plm structure for a long time.
a partner for that.
if the software is called swx/se/inv/proe/catia/nx etc are perfectly in agreement.
You have art software and do what you need... If you chose it, it's not?
the speech, imho, does not apply for t3, for example... as it did not apply in the past for the software that are then "mothers" (peace to their soul... ):
- euclid
- computervision
- intergraph i/ems
- applicon
- sdrc
- auto-trol
- cadam
- Calm down.
- etc.
All these cads didn't die right now. . .
I worked in matra when euclid began his descendant parable losing appeal... was 1997... in 2004/5 was still used... maintained... but destined to death.
and no one dreamed of investing on corporate innovation based on euclid... even if he had a fantastic 2d and the surfaces he took if he dreamed of them.. .
and the same will happen for t3... or not.
He's dying... It'll take time... but he will die.. .
How much do I not know... 2 years? Three? but his end is marked.
the only difference between the situation of t3 and that of the "dinosaurs" I mentioned before (euclid, cadds, calm, etc.) is that for the "dinosaurs" there was a clear defined path of death, having been acquired... while not for t3.
It makes a difference, but not so much.
Matteo
Guest
My curiosity: would you also put osd (creoelementsdirect, underlined "elements") in the descending parobola? I...I agree that a company can decide to hold its plm structure for a long time.
a partner for that.
if the software is called swx/se/inv/proe/catia/nx etc are perfectly in agreement.
You have art software and do what you need... If you chose it, it's not?
the speech, imho, does not apply for t3, for example... as it did not apply in the past for the software that are then "mothers" (peace to their soul... ):
- euclid
- computervision
- intergraph i/ems
- applicon
- sdrc
- auto-trol
- cadam
- Calm down.
- etc.
All these cads didn't die right now. . .
I worked in matra when euclid began his descendant parable losing appeal... was 1997... in 2004/5 was still used... maintained... but destined to death.
and no one dreamed of investing on corporate innovation based on euclid... even if he had a fantastic 2d and the surfaces he took if he dreamed of them.. .
and the same will happen for t3... or not.
He's dying... It'll take time... but he will die.. .
How much do I not know... 2 years? Three? but his end is marked.
the only difference between the situation of t3 and that of the "dinosaurs" I mentioned before (euclid, cadds, calm, etc.) is that for the "dinosaurs" there was a clear defined path of death, having been acquired... while not for t3.
It makes a difference, but not so much.
cacciatorino
Guest
We hope not, I just spent money! :biggrin:My curiosity: would you also put osd (creoelementsdirect, underlined "elements") in the descending parobola? I...
there is then to say that the "direct" implementation of pro/e is worth enough for now, so cocreate customers will think twice before changing horse, of the series: "if you force me to move to pro/e-direct as it is now I cut the updates, and I remain with steady cocreate at the current state," so the cad now as it is now fine, and windows 7 is here to stay so they are not to expect forcible updates soon.
The_Matrix
Guest
I don't think that osd is classified as a software for death...
has a definite successor.
I create direct or as the devil is called.
clear path.... data saved... etc.
How to evolve from wxp-32 to w7-64... evolve... you will have some problem with drivers... of recompiling your programs... But it's in the evolution of things, isn't it?
has a definite successor.
I create direct or as the devil is called.
clear path.... data saved... etc.
How to evolve from wxp-32 to w7-64... evolve... you will have some problem with drivers... of recompiling your programs... But it's in the evolution of things, isn't it?
Tequila
Guest
a little as it happened to me to see a workshop that does turning/detaching gears that still print on matrice printers with perforated paper, using programs that turn in emulated dos on xp.in 2004 I saw a still working calm station! the client's use was terrified of the idea that the hd would break because they had automatic procedures for the generation of surfaces only through that software. . .
one of these gave it to me in 2001 to make me the simulations of the correct teeth for the data of the moving coefficient. on win 7 no longer works and not even making it start in xp mode. the executable date was 22 August 1989 and was developed on windows 95.
I have no idea if this workshop still uses it, I hope not, because sincerely this means "fossilize" and not to try to keep up with technologies and innovation.
The_Matrix
Guest
I knew how many manufacturing departments have old systems such as sewing...a little as it happened to me to see a workshop that does turning/detaching gears that still print on matrice printers with perforated paper, using programs that turn in emulated dos on xp.
one of these gave it to me in 2001 to make me the simulations of the correct teeth for the data of the moving coefficient. on win 7 no longer works and not even making it start in xp mode. the executable date was 22 August 1989 and was developed on windows 95.
I have no idea if this workshop still uses it, I hope not, because sincerely this means "fossilize" and not to try to keep up with technologies and innovation.
vax as if it rains. . .
Now they're in the weirdos... :frown: