four free cads in comparison

[Delysid]

condemning free software is like condemning democracy.
everything takes its time but to get to say that opensource software is losing on all fronts is a colossal blasphemy as to say that autodesk is an innovative company. when I feel and see 3d doing with autodesk products I laugh. to say all I laugh as well when I see drawing with alias (and I see doing it for more than a year) in comparison to rhinoceros, but this is another speech.

in some fields the superiority of free software is overwhelming, for example I would like to remember that almost 90% of the world servers mount linux operating systems, to the face of those who claim that open source is dead or loser.

I can make a huge list of open source softwares that as quality are higher than commercial competition.

 

[roberto 2011]

condemning free software is like condemning democracy.
everything takes its time but to get to say that opensource software is losing on all fronts is a colossal blasphemy as to say that autodesk is an innovative company. when I feel and see 3d doing with autodesk products I laugh. to say all I laugh as well when I see drawing with alias (and I see doing it for more than a year) in comparison to rhinoceros, but this is another speech.

in some fields the superiority of free software is overwhelming, for example I would like to remember that almost 90% of the world servers mount linux operating systems, to the face of those who claim that open source is dead or loser.

I can make a huge list of open source softwares that as quality are higher than commercial competition.

the problem is that the human being non sa to have happened with a soft to laugh over or with some other to illuminate of immense... :bekle:

 

[Tristan]

to say that opensource software is losing on all fronts is a colossal blasphemy as to say that autodesk is an innovative company. when I feel and see 3d doing with autodesk products I laugh.

There's who laughs and who makes money...

to say all I laugh as well when I see drawing with alias (and I see doing it for more than a year) in comparison to rhinoceros, but this is another speech.

apart from alias is not autodesk technology "Moderatore cut", but I don't know if you realize you're talking about a giant computer graphics. you continue to laugh, while alias and maya are used by the world's largest design and film production studios. rhino is undoubtedly one of the best (if not the best) application for modeling nurbs in relation to the price, but the comparison just can not see it.

I can make a huge list of open source softwares that as quality are higher than commercial competition.

Let's start then... let's be here on purpose!

 

[notte]

I would like to apologize if I looked antipathic, you should always answer the next day when you read something that is annoying. . .I know, I have not yet presented myself, I do not intend to escape the rule, I have been moderator in a remote past, I know that the rules must be respected :dIt is obvious that I explained badly.
First of all I would not like to become a flame.
the sense of my speech was not "live the free software, to death all others", but a regret of when the software was free, and not in the narrow sense of when autocad was a "free" software. when the synonym of text processing software was not word, when it was not so obvious to use dosshell.
It is unlikely that windows are in a domain position on the market for real quality, for innovation or for particular investments n research. If uindous has arrived where he is... much owes it to blackmail and fury (no, I won't miss hours to go through bookmarks to search for ten-year old links to quote sources), to marketing and lawyers.

in the world of systems not uindous, there is not only free software (i.e. answering 4 freedoms bla...) but also paid software, and even not opensource. to stay in the world of cad, bricscad is an example.

that I draw with a rapidgraph, with the bull, with autocad or with a9cad... the only important thing is that in the construction site there is an understandable design.
I always have before my eyes the image of an old engineer I met when I was a schoolteacher at university. his studio had two rooms: a large, with windows and a row of tableware with workstations above, and several boys working; the other very small one, a 2x2 meters closet, without window, with a small table and a pencil holder full of colors. he handed out all the renderings.

release 13 - novembre 1994 - ultima versione per unix, ms-dos e windows 3.11.

 

[tir]

apart from the first version for win (3.1) was the r13...

autocad 12

 

[Delysid]

There's who laughs and who makes money...

I gladly pass it, after all you can be happy without money and unhappy with.

apart from that alias is not autodesk technology (and apart from that "I have" is written with apostrophe and acca), but I don't know if you realize that you are talking about a giant computer graphics. you continue to laugh, while alias and maya are used by the world's largest design and film production studios. rhino is undoubtedly one of the best (if not the best) application for modeling nurbs in relation to the price, but the comparison just can not see it.

Obviously it is not autodesk technology, in fact autodesk is so innovative that it has not made any modification worthy to call itself with that name since it has purchased alias... and indeed, many found themselves paying assistance to have in return nothing. that are used by the big studies there is no shadow of doubt... In fact, one of the problems is that.

if then the moves or press releases of a "columsy" equal to the words of a messiah then I am not surprised the fold that took the discussion of this topic.
"Moderatore cut"

 

[incasinata]

Please... .do not divagate on grammatical lessons, thanks on corrections and phrases not relevant.
the discussion is very interesting but must keep tones relaxed.
otherwise I am forced to make the censor with "Moderatore cut".

 

[Tristan]

I gladly pass it, after all you can be happy without money and unhappy with.

già...

and indeed, many found themselves paying assistance to have in return nothing. that are used by the big studies there is no shadow of doubt... In fact, one of the problems is that.

assistance is provided by the retailer, not by autodesk (although things are changing); Maybe you talk about the subscription.

I'm still waiting for this "big license of open source softwares that as quality are higher than commercial competition"

 

[Delysid]

Good:

web server, web development, database, etc. we have apache, php, mysql, joomla.

we have asterix in telephone and control.

in the professional firewall field we have ipcop.

in the home theater we have xbmc, absolutely superior to any commercial platform.

in the context of lossless audio compression we have eac.

vector graphics inkscape, will not be superior to illustrator or to chorel draw but eventually they come out on equal merit according to me.

Where do we put it? is it not the definitive player?

virtualbox at the end if you play it on equal merit with vmware (maybe the latter is more stable but at performance level wins virtualbox). that then actually at the level of virtualization in professional fields we have two more, kvm and xen that are at the top.

at file system level we have ext3, ext4, and raiserfs (ok raisingr has been arrested and is no longer developed) that are not far comparable to ntfs.

7zip data compression level is superior as format compared to zip or r... and also as software where there is also the native 64-bit version and the performances change a lot.

filezilla is definitely the best ftp/sftp client.

and firefox? worse than ie? ask the web developers how nice it is to make sites compatible with ie.

blender? will not be up to date due to the user friendly graphic interface but for the rest has little to envy to the competition.

and these are the first ones that come to mind... How little? and I deliberately left the penguin to avoid diatribe ot linux vs. windows.

I don't understand the moderator's cut, I didn't offend anyone. if then it was ot then it is all the topic from the first answer onwards.

 

[Tristan]

we have asterix in telephone and control.

asterisk, without x; we also use it but I know it only by name, I don't mean to power stations

vector graphics inkscape, will not be superior to illustrator or to chorel draw but eventually they come out on equal merit according to me.

according to you; according to me inkscape is back light years respect illustrator. then for charity, depends on what you have to do with it. there is also gimp that does as an open competitor to photoshop but imo also this is not absolutely better than the adobe product.

virtualbox at the end if you play it on equal merit with vmware (maybe the latter is more stable but at performance level wins virtualbox). that then actually at the level of virtualization in professional fields we have two more, kvm and xen that are at the top.

Well, vmware server is not open but at least it is free. You don't want to compare virtualbox with citrix, do you? ?

blender? will not be up to date due to the user friendly graphic interface but for the rest has little to envy to the competition.

No, of course, it is a great product, but the problem is always the same: if tomorrow the Dutch state stops funding the project? What end will blender do?

I expected something more though. ..this is a cad forum! I wanted to read a list of open products that make siemens shoes, autodesk, solidworks! The post talks about this...

 

[Tequila]

...I expected something more though. ..this is a cad forum! I wanted to read a list of open products that make siemens shoes, autodesk, solidworks! The post talks about this...

In fact, I am also interested in knowing free cad names comparable to these and not to other software.

 

[Delysid]

In fact, I am also interested in knowing free cad names comparable to these and not to other software.

no, someone in here doubted the quality of free software in general. and in this sense that I moved. in the specific context of the cad the technologies are still too fragmented... to make a serious cad will take years and years again.

 

[Tequila]

no, someone in here doubted the quality of free software in general. and in this sense that I moved. in the specific context of the cad the technologies are still too fragmented... to make a serious cad will take years and years again.

I do not question the goodness of free software, I also make use of it, but the thread speaks of "4 cad free in comparison". I would like to say that it is not the case that the Commission has not been able to do so.

 

[Tristan]

to make a serious cad will take years and years again.

:4425:

then we all agree

 

[notte]

I do not express myself on quality and deficiencies of inkscape, scribus and gimp (which I usually use at production level) because it goes too much ot and this post is already too long...

...someone in here doubted the quality of free software in general. ...in the specific context of the cad... it will take years...

the road to a free cad is really very uphill. time and competence at the graphic level are two requirements that usually programmers lack. the skills exist, but the world of architecture is boxed inside: habit, distrust, poor availability to experimentation. if you add the almost total aspiration to earn money from all your own actions, we have the rendering of a world that does not help free software to help it.

my voice architecture→book software reports these links (workers). I also have others, but they are horrible.
draft I don't think so, but I didn't try.

even only to look The ThiefHe's a delusion and he's dead.
linuxcad as varkon, it is a firm, ugly and limited project. And I think it's not even free.
brl-cad I never tried it for ideological reasons... would give me the thrills to draw with a tool for the ballistic calculation:
Bricscad is an interesting product, young, evolving and well supported, but it's all but free. I believe I have read somewhere about making (at least partially) open sources or release a free version.
qcad had, maybe he still has, a free version, but only Free, not free. the paid version does not cost too much, but it is not interesting.
felixcad e I'm falling I remember how they are, for sure free, not free. (http://www.graebert.com/en/cad/felixcad) {http://kolbasoft.com).
freecad At the moment I think the only one who promises well and is multiplatform, but it is very, very much Alpha. has a plugin (still more alpha) to adopt an architecture mode (will become a bim) that I sincerely did not understand. I have some reluctance to modern interfaces, I stayed autocad 13

over time I have tried so many cads, which remain single projects, unable to focus on a particular software. together is the strength and weakness of this world. If I need a special program, I can do it myself. this removes my programmer resources to a project, perhaps more generic, but with greater diffusion, to realize something that I will use only me, or, if it has some real usefulness, some colleagues very close. Obviously without the resources to put me on the market or even only in evidence.

the need for a free cad (read free from an os in particular, rather than opensource, I believe that good software can be paid or predict forms of support to the programming team) that also turns on linux/bsd is now flashing. I feel more and more graphics, architects and engineers with the aspiration to abandon the world windows, less and less adhering to professional users.
This morning, speaking of autocad with a young mechanical engineer, I came to smile when he said he hated the "hot" interface. He said it with a tone halfway between the shock and deep hatred. frills such as transparencies, watches, ribbon bars, impossible menus of tablet derivation, are invading each os, in a terrible aspiration to the universal operating system, installable from the washing machine to the mobile phone.

the freecad project seems to me to go in the right direction, it is a very lively community, working with a certain competence to realize an ambitious product. the best thing that can target this job (i.e. we, designers) is to give it support and, as far as possible, help, perhaps with innovative ideas and suggestions. if they leave the user, they are more useful: usually programmers do not design houses.

innovations in the field of programming often come from a world that has little to do with the great softwarehouses. Just think about the solution of tabs in the browsers... now everything is tabbed, even programs for local browsing. But ten years ago it was bizarre. the ideas that go, the ones that like, spread, and sooner or later a big house patents and causes all the others.
I have a tendency to talk a little too much... I hope my elucubrations are useful to someone.

 

[Tristan]

I do not express myself on quality and deficiencies of inkscape, scribus and gimp (which I usually use at production level) because it goes too much ot and this post is already too long...

they have no shortages in themselves, but they are not like the blasoned adobe products. As I said, it depends on the use that you do. Why spend 1200 euros if I have to delete the "red eyes" in holiday photos?

I feel more and more graphics, architects and engineers with the aspiration to abandon the world windows, less and less adhering to professional users.

Yes, just them that at 80% are going to mac systems, even more armored than microsoft!! But please.. .

This morning, speaking of autocad with a young mechanical engineer, I came to smile when he said he hated the "hot" interface. He said it with a tone halfway between the shock and deep hatred. frills such as transparencies, watches, ribbon bars, impossible menus of tablet derivation, are invading each os, in a terrible aspiration to the universal operating system, installable from the washing machine to the mobile phone.

I don't see how bad it is; even the eye wants its part. we see it every day in everyday products. because the design of the product "x" is restored (and all to say: "What a pussy!!!") but when we put hands on the leash of software applications is all shit? would you go around with a fiat duna even if it mounts a recent and performing engine?

 

[Tequila]

that of hating (or hating) the ribbon bar in office style 2007 is one thing of all, but after a couple of days you work there you don't notice anymore. fossilize on obsolete systems for years only because you do not have time or want to keep up with the times leaves the time you find and how all things will make a natural selection.

 

[Tristan]

that of hating (or hating) the ribbon bar in office style 2007 is one thing of all, but after a couple of days you work there you don't notice anymore. fossilize on obsolete systems for years only because you do not have time or want to keep up with the times leaves the time you find and how all things will make a natural selection.

I'm weird.
by personal experience I can say that on autocad civil 3d and revit architecture the ribbon is a manna from the sky! you want to put the convenience of selecting an object and automatically have a context card with available commands solo for the selected entity!
I click on the surface and have editing commands for the surface, I click on the wall and I have editing commands for the wall. stay with your toolbar and menu, I go further.. .

 

[openoikos]

“cad 2d: free alternatives to autocad lt”. This was the title of my article from which an interesting discussion started, which I myself fed, but that went beyond the initial object.
I have never stated that the cad free (then not all products are really free in the Stallmaniana conception) is better than the flagship products of autodesk or other software houses with consolidated success.
I simply said that there are free products (the 4 I quote) that are an alternative to light versions.
If you read the conclusion of my despised and superficial article I stated that in the context of the free software had not reached the development that there was in other areas, so it seems to me that we are all quite in agreement on this.
I remain of the idea that autocad (and it is not the only) costs too much in relation to what it offers and that the autodesk spends much more (of all legitimately for charity) in marketing activities, commercial agreements and legal expenses that in research and innovation, as well as I remain of the idea that a good linux distro is technologically superior to windows and that if there were less laziness and conformism every software would succeed. They are points of view.

 

[Tristan]

I remain of the idea that autocad (and is not the only) costs too much in relation to what it offers and that the autodesk spends much more (of all legitimately for charity) in marketing activities, commercial agreements and legal expenses that in research and innovation.

ever heard of autodesk labs? Well, take a ride on the site and tell me if they don't invest in research and development (and this is only the one made available to the community, the biggest slice is reserved and confidential). I would also like to point out that autodesk has also moved into the world of free and open source software with mapguides and 123d. and again, autodesk has created a portal dedicated to students with curriculum, video and elearning sessions. All this has enormous costs that only a multinational can support.
autocad costs so much, it is true, but it follows the law of the market. so much demand, high prices; but it is not autocad an innovative product, it is only the most used. there are much more sophisticated autodesk solutions.